Originally posted by abhilegend
I am not joking. When thor and surfer sing out an entity which was dragging multiverse down with it and punch out from inside of his own death's avatar (Superman:where is thy sting) tell me about it. Comics superman>>>>forum superman.
baka
It would help if you knew everything that Thor and Surfer have done as well, just so you know.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
bakaIt would help if you knew everything that Thor and Surfer have done as well, just so you know.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I know about their high end feats, jake and I even give surfer 6-6.5/10 against superman and Thor an even split against superman but with his weaknesses removed he would pummel both. Most of his low showings are with his weaknesses. He has the most insane durability showings on herald levels.
If you knew about their high end feats, you wouldn't say Superman has done and faced things they can't even dream of because they have. They've also done things that Superman cannot just like Superman has done things they can't.
Funny, because I don't factor in Surfer or Thor exploiting Superman's weaknesses at all when I consider them beating him. Surfer's powerful enough to damage Superman without exploiting Kryptonite or red solar energy, which, to be frank, I don't see him resorting to typically, anyway. Thor's also powerful enough to damage Kal and I don't think the magic aspect of Thor's offensive capabilities would utterly decimate him, save something extreme and out of the norm like a Godblast.
Case in point, neither of them need to resort to exploiting Superman's weaknesses to hurt him or even beat him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI also generally don't factor in weakness exploit as I don't think they would use it.Funny, because I don't factor in Surfer or Thor exploiting Superman's weaknesses at all when I consider them beating him. Surfer's powerful enough to damage Superman without exploiting Kryptonite or red solar energy, which, to be frank, I don't see him resorting to typically, anyway. Thor's also powerful enough to damage Kal and I don't think the magic aspect of Thor's offensive capabilities would utterly decimate him, save something extreme and out of the norm like a Godblast.
I would say superman beat surfer because he is a better fighter, and stronger and more durable.
and he would win majority against thor due to a much superior speed advantage.
Originally posted by -Pr-I don't remember superman ever being scared of lex or ds as much as he was of dd, of course you have read more than me, so maybe you're right. my impression was that dd was superman's ultimate foe, the only one to have 'killed' him.
Darkseid, Dominus and even Lex have represented graver threats to Superman on a psychological level than DD did.