Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't remember superman ever being scared of lex or ds as much as he was of dd, of course you have read more than me, so maybe you're right. my impression was that dd was superman's ultimate foe, the only one to have 'killed' him.
At the time, he was. Fifteen years ago. Times change.
Even Brainiac could be considered to be a bigger threat nowadays, considering what he did to Superman's people and his family.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I also generally don't factor in weakness exploit as I don't think they would use it.I would say superman beat surfer because he is a better fighter, and stronger and more durable.
and he would win majority against thor due to a much superior speed advantage.
Your views aren't extreme, either; I have no problem with someone arguing Kal getting a slight majority over Thor or Surfer. But any one thinking more than 6-6.5/10 is deluding themselves and ignoring what Thor and Surfer can do and have done on panel.
Personally, I don't think Superman's speed is conventionally this damning advantage over Thor. *shrug* It's enough to give him an edge and is definitely an advantage in the sense that it's something he has that Thor doesn't, but given Thor's own reaction feats/skills and his means of attacks, it's not insurmountable.
Originally posted by Starscream MSuperman was only scared of him in the one arc iirc. That doesn't mean he's Superman's greatest/most powerful threat. The guy is laughable up against Surfer/Thor/Superman's big time villains.
I don't remember superman ever being scared of lex or ds as much as he was of dd, of course you have read more than me, so maybe you're right. my impression was that dd was superman's ultimate foe, the only one to have 'killed' him.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't remember superman ever being scared of lex or ds as much as he was of dd, of course you have read more than me, so maybe you're right. my impression was that dd was superman's ultimate foe, the only one to have 'killed' him.
Superman's scared of Lex in the sense that he represents the worse aspects of humanity.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you knew about their high end feats, you wouldn't say Superman has done and faced things they can't even dream of because they have. They've also done things that Superman cannot just like Superman has done things they can't.Funny, because I don't factor in Surfer or Thor exploiting Superman's weaknesses at all when I consider them beating him. Surfer's powerful enough to damage Superman without exploiting Kryptonite or red solar energy, which, to be frank, I don't see him resorting to typically, anyway. Thor's also powerful enough to damage Kal and I don't think the magic aspect of Thor's offensive capabilities would utterly decimate him, save something extreme and out of the norm like a Godblast.
Case in point, neither of them need to resort to exploiting Superman's weaknesses to hurt him or even beat him.
Originally posted by Starscream M
lol thats an interesting takelex isn't even that evil to be honest...joker is prob far worse than lex in regards to the worse aspects of humanity
It depends on how you look at it. Do you fear the insane mind, the one that is directionless unless you're Batman? Or the sane, completely rational guy who can justify anything and can make your life a living hell just to spite you?
The guy became President, all because he was jealous of Superman.
Originally posted by Starscream M
lol thats an interesting takelex isn't even that evil to be honest...joker is prob far worse than lex in regards to the worse aspects of humanity
It is.
And according to Batman in Public Enemies, the evil that Lex Luthor dabbles in dwarfs the evil the Joker does. Joker may or may not be responsible for his actions (personally, my theory is that Joker isn't crazy at all and knows exactly why he does the things he does and is fully aware that they're wrong), but Lex Luthor justifies his evil for "humanity" and blames his failings and those of humanity on Superman. The fact that he was legitimately voted into office as President was probably one of the greatest victories for Luthor of all time, and for Kal, one of his lowest moments.
Two different kind of evils to be sure, but Lex's brand of evil affects on a grander scale than the Joker's a majority of the time.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It depends on how you look at it. Do you fear the insane mind, the one that is directionless unless you're Batman? Or the sane, completely rational guy who can justify anything and can make your life a living hell just to spite you?The guy became President, all because he was jealous of Superman.
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Originally posted by -Pr-Surtur is a Thor rogue. He always has been. He's way too powerful for Thor to take on by himself outside other factors just like Dominus is well beyond Superman. I didn't say any Thor/Surfer peers I said enemies. Surfer also took down Tenebrous and Aegis on his own through plot device. DD is formidable against Surfer/Thor/Superman but up against their greatest enemies/threats he's a joke.
Those guys aren't rogues; they're to Thor or Surfer what Dominus or The Source was to Superman.
Just like he's a joke to Superman's greatest threats. All these heroes needed outside help/plot devicey kind of stuff to even have a chance.
Originally posted by -Pr-well, in lex's mind, superman is bad for humanity...so he isn't destroying superman for shits and giggles but rather to empower humanity against the rise and dependency of metas
It depends on how you look at it. Do you fear the insane mind, the one that is directionless unless you're Batman? Or the sane, completely rational guy who can justify anything and can make your life a living hell just to spite you?The guy became President, all because he was jealous of Superman.
lex is in some ways an antihero villain...his motivations are not pure evil
Originally posted by Starscream MNot evil for evil's sake but self motivated and completely selfish which is evil.
well, in lex's mind, superman is bad for humanity...so he isn't destroying superman for shits and giggles but rather to empower humanity against the rise and dependency of metaslex is in some ways an antihero villain...his motivations are not pure evil