Superman vs Silver Surfer (No Weakness Exploitation)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surtur is a Thor rogue. He always has been. He's way too powerful for Thor to take on by himself outside other factors just like Dominus is well beyond Superman. I didn't say any Thor/Surfer peers I said enemies. Surfer also took down Tenebrous and Aegis on his own through plot device. DD is formidable against Surfer/Thor/Superman but up against their greatest enemies/threats he's a joke.

Just like he's a joke to Superman's greatest threats. All these heroes needed outside help/plot devicey kind of stuff to even have a chance.

Methinks that we have different opinions on what constitutes a rogue.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, in lex's mind, superman is bad for humanity...so he isn't destroying superman for shits and giggles but rather to empower humanity against the rise and dependency of metas

lex is in some ways an antihero villain...his motivations are not pure evil

Except that Lex's "motivations" have been shown to be pure bullshit. He's an evil pr*ck, pure and simple. That diner scene with the waitress exemplifies him perfectly.

He's not an anti-hero in the slightest; not like say, Magneto.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you go by D&D alignments, Lex would most likely be Lawful Evil where as Joker would be Chaotic Evil. Darkseid would probably be Neutral Evil.

Mmm..

Lex breaks his word all the time, though. Lobo's actually closer to lawful evil, because once he makes a deal, he usually keeps it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Mmm..

Lex breaks his word all the time, though. Lobo's actually closer to lawful evil, because once he makes a deal, he usually keeps it.

Conventionally, he does keeps his word and does have a sense of (self-serving) honor, but there's usually a catch 22 involved.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Except that Lex's "motivations" have been shown to be pure bullshit. He's an evil pr*ck, pure and simple. That diner scene with the waitress exemplifies him perfectly.

He's not an anti-hero in the slightest; not like say, Magneto.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Except that Lex's "motivations" have been shown to be pure bullshit. He's an evil pr*ck, pure and simple. That diner scene with the waitress exemplifies him perfectly.

He's not an anti-hero in the slightest; not like say, Magneto.

Morrison did Lex best in All Star Superman, even if that's not canon Lex.

Not like, say, Red Son or War of the Worlds Lex, where he is an anti hero.

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol...what was the dinner scene?

Ever see Indecent Proposal?

Originally posted by cdtm
Morrison did Lex best in All Star Superman, even if that's not canon Lex.

Not like, say, Red Son or War of the Worlds Lex, where he is an anti hero.

I liked him during the Loeb/Casey years, personally.

Prior to Flashpoint, Lex's origins involved him as a teen cutting the brakes to his dad's car so he would die in a crash and be free from his influence. Granted, his father was a jerk, but still, that's pretty evil. And that way before he met Superman, so his excuse of Kal making him what he is today means shit.

He's an ass hole.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prior to Flashpoint, Lex's origins involved him as a teen cutting the brakes to his dad's car so he would die in a crash and be free from his influence. Granted, his father was a jerk, but still, that's pretty evil.

Yep; insurance money for the win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ever see Indecent Proposal?

i liked the JLU lex best.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prior to Flashpoint, Lex's origins involved him as a teen cutting the brakes to his dad's car so he would die in a crash and be free from his influence. Granted, his father was a jerk, but still, that's pretty evil. And that way before he met Superman, so his excuse of Kal making him what he is today means shit.

He's an ass hole.

I also liked Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

That pretty much nailed how I viewed Lex.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no.

i liked the JLU lex best.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/24/a-year-of-cool-comic-book-moments-day-205/

Originally posted by -Pr-
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/24/a-year-of-cool-comic-book-moments-day-205/

Originally posted by -Pr-
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/24/a-year-of-cool-comic-book-moments-day-205/

Lol @ the troll face in the third panel.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol @ the troll face in the third panel.

Originally posted by -Pr-
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/24/a-year-of-cool-comic-book-moments-day-205/

Yeah thats just evil at the core..

Lex tries to show the evil in all people, which is the real reason he hats Kal. He cant find it in him.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah thats just evil at the core..

Lex tries to show the evil in all people, which is the real reason he hats Kal. He cant find it in him.

If he wasn't such a dick, maybe he'd have a friend that would tell him about superdickery.com. 😄

Originally posted by Starscream M
guess what, wolverine faced a majority of those villains too, does that make him on par with superman now? 🙄