Originally posted by h1a8
Glads took a beam from Tryant without being koed. But Thanos is hella resistant against beams (more so than physical attacks). It is how the fight went down to make things comparable. I'm not into the portrayal stuff since that is debatable. I'm into the stuff that isn't debatable. I don't care what happens in a comic if a character isn't fighting at their best as shown before. It's irrelevant of whether Sue can put a spike through 616 G since that alternate G was very powerful. The fact of the matter is cut force doesn't prove anything, just look at Wolverine for crying out loud. Characters powers flucuate in comics. If X character can one shot a planet then them hitting Y doesn't mean they are hitting with planet shattering force. It is not PIS because it is cut force. Otherwise every instance of Wolverine cutting high heralds is PIS since he shouldn't have the necessary strength too. I don't have to. That is what inference is all about. If one must become intangible to phase through walls then they can definitely phase through other REAL materials. A CIS off Surfer can use it as a defense. Fallen One didn't even reach light speed when he attacked Thanos. He didn't respond to Surfer traveling above C, nor anyone else. Surfer with his A game is not going to be hit by Thanos. As a matter of fact, Thanos would be a semi statue to Surfer. But Surfer has feats against blocking beams with ease, and traveling super fast while maneuvering on a dime. Yet he can defend against a Superman level blitz but not some random simple blasts by Thanos? It was a good feat but not that good. We can only speculate how long he was exposed to the beams. I don't know where he got the power from. But that doesn't mean isn't wasn't from an outside source (since he verbally called on it). When Thanos fought Odin, Odin was mentioning Thanos outside power source. People use the term 'more powerful' without a clue that the phrase has different interpretations. For example, it can mean stronger blasts, more versatile, smarter, greater physical strength, etc. or a combination of those. It is how you win a fight that determines if you can win and not who is more powerful. 'More powerful' tends to the faulty ABC logic. Each fight is different and sometimes a weaker character can best a more powerful character because of the unique powerset present. Terrax is stupid and less skilled than Thanos. Also Thanos is more versatile. Thanos beats Terrax all day long. No, G's durability was higher or Surfer's power input was lower in those cases (because of writer's fluctuation of ability). Some writer's don't believe Surfer can blow up a planet with a blast or that Glads can 3 shot a planet. This is a fact. Think man.
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You're only into power levels and wikis since you don't read comics, and have only seen a handful of scans before you say "Why sure, I might as well jump into this debate and insert my very limited knowledge over these characters!"
You're right though, you are into shit that isn't debatable.
Tyrant being a peer to Gladiator. Sue stabbing 616 Galactus because she stabbed an alternate hungry Galactus. Comics not counting.
Ya, all of this shit should never have to be debated because of how batshit insanely wrong it is. Yet here you are, trying to argue this horseshit because... well, I don't know. You like to look stupid?
Gladiator got severely rocked both times he was hit by beams. Thanos wasn't. There's your comparable examples. Or if you have a brain, Gladiator was three shotted, Thanos took the best of Tyrant without getting KO'ed.
You know what's irrelevant? Bringing up Sue putting a spike through an alternate Galactus as proof that she can do it to 616 Galactus.
Ya, just look at Wolverine, because Wolverine is proof that Sue could put a spike straight through 616 Galactus. Did you think that out before you said it? Because I sorely hope you didn't.
And how do you know that Galactus was powerful? What did he do H1? Actually let me bold that so you have no reason to ignore it.
It isn't PIS because Wolverine cuts high heralds... 😂
Wolverine also has unbreakable claws. Sue has shields that can easily be broken by high heralds. It should have snapped off of Galactus' armor. Also, how do you think this is acceptable, but She-Hulk beating up Drax isn't? Because you like this feat more? That's really all it is. You like something more than others and make up completely retarded reason as to why one counts and one doesn't. Completely retarded.
You do have to if you were actually a decent debator. Surfer never used his phasing to make his actually body able to pass through things. I can accept Surfer "Phasing" through a shield, but he's not phasing through a blast or punch. In case you ignored what I said earlier, he uses his phasing to make the object passable, not his own body.
Fallen One wasn't going C, yet he was making stars blur around him. Yet he had the exact same takeoff as he had throughout the entire series. I'd bring up the IG scene, but that would open up a new door to things you can shit out of your mind. He also reacted to Ganymede.
Surfer also has feats where he's going super speed and gets KO'ed by meteors... But you're just going to call that PIS, and then use it in a Superman thread.
People just say Surfer won't be overwhelmed by Superman, which he won't be. It doesn't mean he's untouchable. Also lol at a Superman level blitz being anything special. It's fast, but it's not lightspeed that we've ever seen.
Not that good? Surfer has been one shotted everytime he's been hit by Galactus. It sure as hell wasn't a 2 second blast. And trying to nitpick this, like I said before is hilarious seeing as you tried to say Gladiator matched Tyrant.
So Thanos' outside source that you have no idea about supplied Thanos' shields? Well, I guess you put that one to rest!
He said he tapped into a source of power... which would be his own. Odin even compared the source of Thanos' power to his own. Is Odin now empowered by an outside source?
People use "More powerful" to mean more powerful. And no one has used more powerful as smarter or more versatile. Thanos is better in every physical way to Surfer, and his blasts are stronger. Don't try and tell me what I mean when I say more powerful. You can't even interpret static comic images, let alone what I'm saying.
lol at "More powerful" being ABC logic. How is being directly more powerful than someone ABC logic? You don't even know what ABC Logic means either?
I notice you tried to deflect away from Thanos being more powerful than Surfer though.
But Terrax has planet destroying blasts, which are far above Thanos according to you. And he has cutting force which allows Wolverine to cut high heralds, and Sue to cut above Skyfather level beings. Plus, Thanos only knows how to punch and blast according to you, how is that more versatile?
So Terrax should easily be able to one shot Thanos, no? Terrax is tank compared to Thanos according to your logic.
So in the 5 and more times Surfer has failed to harm Galactus in the least, it was actually writer fluctuation, and we should just ignore that?
WHAT
I don't get how you started writing that down and said "This makes sense". It's completely nonsensical. Everytime Surfer fails to harm Galactus... THE BEING WHO GAVE HIM HIS POWERS... it's PIS because Surfer can blow up a planet.
Also, everytime Gladiator punches someone it's PIS because Gladiator can destroy a planet.
No, just no. You make Carver look like a genius.
Originally posted by h1a8
You ever think about Ravenous durability was higher at that particular point in time. Otherwise he wouldn't have survived a planet destroying attack. It happens. In one comic Superman gets koed by a gas station and in other he survives a nuclear blast like nothing. This is comics man.
That's not even an argument. Not everything fluctuates just because you don't like it. You don't even read comics anyway, how could you tell something was written different?
Or the planet destroying attack wasn't that powerful. Surfer was painted as far above Ravenous, and he still caused no damage to him with according to you, his most powerful attack.
Superman got KO'ed by a gas station in the early nineties. I highly doubt you could name two feats from Superman in the same year, let alone in the next issue.
Ravenous taking a planet destroying attack, and getting beaten by Ronan smashing his hammer over his face isn't the same.
Also, you ignored a post.
