Originally posted by janus77
jesus! my god, somebody broke quanchi....I say this is a draw as Sentry going all out would tend towards wide-area damage (as he did against Hulk) rather than trying to focus that power on one specific target.
Thanos, like Hulk, should be able to comfortably tank what Sentry's outputting, but I doubt he can wear down Sentry as Hulk did... so stalemate.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So far last time that I bumped this, it seems that Enzuru does not has enough confidence that Sentry/Void can defeat the Titan or He is just simply afraid of facing Quan in a debate.
I love how you're trying to lure me in by saying that I don't have confidence in the Sentry or am simply too afraid of Quanchi, because you think that my "superiority complex" will jump in and make me prove you wrong ...
... and at the same time you don't even bother luring Quanchi, because as well all know, he will always be there to add nonsense to a Thanos thread and turn it into a hilarious joke of a thread.
With all that being said, hell no - Debating with Quanchi is like talking to a wall: Fun for the first three hours, but then you realize how pointless it is and was in the first place.
PS: Void wins. He attacks Thanos with an Infitendril, which shows Thanos pictures of Death having some "happy"-time with Deadpool. Thanos falls to the ground and starts drooling, while Void starts punching the living crap out of Thanos.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I love how you're trying to lure me in by saying that I don't have confidence in the Sentry or am simply too afraid of Quanchi, because you think that my "superiority complex" will jump in and make me prove you wrong ...
... and at the same time you don't even bother luring Quanchi, because as well all know, he will always be there to add nonsense to a Thanos thread and turn it into a hilarious joke of a thread.With all that being said, hell no - Debating with Quanchi is like talking to a wall: Fun for the first three hours, but then you realize how pointless it is and was in the first place.
PS: Void wins. He attacks Thanos with an Infitendril, which shows Thanos pictures of Death having some "happy"-time with Deadpool. Thanos falls to the ground and starts drooling, while Void starts punching the living crap out of Thanos.
That sounds like a challenge, will Quan chicken out?
Originally posted by EnzeruSays the guy who think Sentry is too fast despite the 95 percent of comics appearances which show how he fights. We clashed. I won. You submitted.
I love how you're trying to lure me in by saying that I don't have confidence in the Sentry or am simply too afraid of Quanchi, because you think that my "superiority complex" will jump in and make me prove you wrong ...
... and at the same time you don't even bother luring Quanchi, because as well all know, he will always be there to add nonsense to a Thanos thread and turn it into a hilarious joke of a thread.With all that being said, hell no - Debating with Quanchi is like talking to a wall: Fun for the first three hours, but then you realize how pointless it is and was in the first place.
PS: Void wins. He attacks Thanos with an Infitendril, which shows Thanos pictures of Death having some "happy"-time with Deadpool. Thanos falls to the ground and starts drooling, while Void starts punching the living crap out of Thanos.
Just move on. Don't be a sore loser.
Thanos wins. The efforts to prove otherwise was extensive but fell short imo.
Thanos would've crushed the de-powered, mentally unstable,
subconsciously wanting to lose Owen from Dark Avengers easier than Sentry/Void did.
Which is like the only feat that could've giving Sentry significant bragging points.
So, let's not go there ever again friends.
As far as Sentry being killed.
His molecules were dispersed by Owen and he was able to re-form.
But this isn't an example of true immortality imo,
cause Eternals (amongst other characters)
can re-from easily from molecular dispersion and we know their not "immortal."
This is more of an ability than a 'get out of Death's realm free card'
due to the fact that if a sufficient force is able to erase their molecules
rather than scattering them,
or is able to destroy their consciousness/spirit, ... then ...
they're not coming back from that.
Has Sentry been put to the test on that level?
Has his soul been eradicated?
Has he been erased from existence?
If so and he came back, then he is truly immortal/un-killable.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos would've crushed the de-powered, mentally unstable,
subconsciously wanting to lose Owen from Dark Avengers easier than Sentry/Void did.
Oh, would he? So Thanos - just like Molecule Man is on a power level, where he is able to simply rip high heralds apart with his molecule manipulation? I have yet to see Thanos doing something like that.
Or Thanos - just like Molecule Man affecting a planet as big as the Earth on a molecular basis, since that's what Molecule Man was doing after terrorists caused world wide damage.
Thanos has never done that. Molecule Man has. And even the Sentry has. His power is based on molecule manipulation and he has affected the Earth, when erasing everyone's memories and he has caused planetary level destruction during his fight with Photon and in the end he defeated Molecule Man, who is at least a planetary level molecule manipulator.
With that being said - you're still going with the "subconsciously wanting to lose" argument?
You're assuming that the same as I could assume that his own mind was playing tricks on him by coming up with statements like these and my version would make more sense, because Molecule Man instantly denied what the voices in his head said to him and later on during the fight with the Sentry he was fighting back and not really trying to be killed and when he was in danger he was doing whatever Sentry wanted him to do, to avoid the pain and imminent death.
So why does your version make more sense? It doesn't. It's just that you want to get your opinion through, just because.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Has Sentry been put to the test on that level?
Has his soul been eradicated?
Has he been erased from existence?If so and he came back, then he is truly immortal/un-killable.
Comics have stated multiple times that Sentry died multiple times, but always returned from the dead. He himself stated that he died. Comics have said that he is immortal. Why are you questioning the comics you want to talk about at the same time?
Being erased from existence will erase the Sentry from existence. Comics have proven that he doesn't stand above reality warping at all. During three instances powerful reality warping has taken him out immediately.
And once again for the immortality:
It depends how the story will go on for him - right now Rick Remender might come up with the plan to only let the Sentry have insane regeneration (regrown from an atom) and no real immortality, so if someone destroys him even to the last atom (which was never really done before one could assume, even during his encounters with the Molecule Man) he could be killed for good.
Thanos feats sh** all over Void feats it's not even close; people fail to realize that Thanos greatest weapon is not his powers and abilities it's his intelligence which dwarfs Void/Sentry all day and add Thanos powers and abilities Sentry/Void is not even in the same league as Thanos, Void/Sentry would say more H/P Doomsday level that's it.
Originally posted by kgkg
Earlier depictions of Void seems to be a lot more powerful than Sentry/Void from Siege.
That's right for the most part and that's also the reason why I don't understand the rules on this board, which state that the Siege-Void should be viewed as a different character from the prior appearances of the Void.
Every time the Void appeared he immediately had everyone at his mercy. Back then in Sentry's first volume, later on during the New Avengers, during the Dark Avengers (but there he really didn't have any opponents) and then also during the Siege.
Not that anyone ever pays attention at that rule anymore, but still - the reasoning behind it at that time strikes me as very weird.
No offense @ Mods! (I was actually banned for 3 days from CBR Forums for simply questioning the weird rules they had for the Sentry on that board as well)
Originally posted by EnzeruOh, would he? So Thanos - just like Molecule Man is on a power level, where he is able to simply rip high heralds apart with his molecule manipulation? I have yet to see Thanos doing something like that.
Unlike his true power (mentally stable and/or evil MM)
who proved able to not only rip out the essence/spirit of a Cube being,
but also had the power to perma-kill the most powerful Cube being,
at the expense of the freakin infinite Multiverse.
Originally posted by EnzeruOr Thanos - just like Molecule Man affecting a planet as big as the Earth on a molecular basis, since that's what Molecule Man was doing after terrorists caused world wide damage.
Thanos has never done that. Molecule Man has. And even the Sentry has. His power is based on molecule manipulation and he has affected the Earth, when erasing everyone's memories and he has caused planetary level destruction during his fight with Photon and in the end he defeated Molecule Man, who is at least a planetary level molecule manipulator.
"planetary level manipulator?" .... Not based on that son.
Owen became mentally stable at that point anyway.
So, your point is moot.
On top of the fact that in Dark Avengers,
Owen's level of molecular manipulation was literally spelled out for us:
"I control the molecules of the very world, well, the ones around me"
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(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)
Originally posted by EnzeruWith that being said - you're still going with the "subconsciously wanting to lose" argument?
You're assuming that the same as I could assume that his own mind was playing tricks on him by coming up with statements like these and my version would make more sense, because Molecule Man instantly denied what the voices in his head said to him and later on during the fight with the Sentry he was fighting back and not really trying to be killed and when he was in danger he was doing whatever Sentry wanted him to do, to avoid the pain and imminent death.
So why does your version make more sense? It doesn't. It's just that you want to get your opinion through, just because.
Originally posted by EnzeruComics have stated multiple times that Sentry died multiple times, but always returned from the dead. He himself stated that he died. Comics have said that he is immortal. Why are you questioning the comics you want to talk about at the same time?
Being erased from existence will erase the Sentry from existence. Comics have proven that he doesn't stand above reality warping at all. During three instances powerful reality warping has taken him out immediately.
And once again for the immortality:
It depends how the story will go on for him - right now Rick Remender might come up with the plan to only let the Sentry have insane regeneration (regrown from an atom) and no real immortality, so if someone destroys him even to the last atom (which was never really done before one could assume, even during his encounters with the Molecule Man) he could be killed for good.
