Originally posted by quanchi112
The cube was still all powerful and capable of anything at that time. Starlord was incorrect about it having one last blast ie. last issue of Thanos Imperative.
No, it obviously was not. Read the books again, because you clearly need to comprehend, step-by-step, panel-by-panel, page-by-page, what was going on.
1. Gamora didn't even know about the CC, the circumstances in which Starlord received it, or what it's purpose was for so she automatically assumed that Starlord could have done anything with it.
2. Starlord confirmed later that the cube only had enough power to knock Thanos out long enough for them to TP lock his brain. Starlord knows more about the CC for the simple fact that it was given to him and he used it. Your awful logic places a premium on the inaccurate and ignorant statements of a simple observer (Gamora)--who has absolutely ZERO knowledge of the events and CONTEXT that surround the cosmic cube--over the person who received the cube and used it.
I want you to defend your awful logic right now and explain to me how Gamora knows more about the Cube than Starlord. Explain it to me right now.
3. Starlord AGAIN looked at the cube in frustration later on, which was CLEARLY cracked and in a completely sub-optimal state-he couldn't even get it to do anything at all. If the cube were as all-powerful as you desperately want it to be, he would NOT have called it a "paperweight" 😆
4. Again at the end of TI #6, even Nova, a character actually IN the story (since you place such a high premium on the whimsical statements of characters who know nothing about how starlord got the cube or why he has it, and how much power it has), doubts the cube is functioning due to its visibly clear cracks. Starlord answers "good enough for 1 shot, maybe 2"
I know you've been trolling at this point since I refuse to believe even you are so incapable of reasoning that cube is not anywhere near full power.
So affecting someone more powerful than Tyrant has zero relevance. Interesting. Thanos is a LOT more powerful since the time of the Galactus encounter along with being able to resist cc power. A worm can't knock me back 50 feet. Horrible analogy. It's completely distasteful and asinine. I don't think Tyrant is more powerful than a cc that failed to atomize him. You are just throwing basless claims out there at this point.
Once again your inability to comprehend and understand when your points have been annihilated doesn't shock me. Knocking back Galactus 50 feet did absolutely nothing. You're impressed with it because you are hung up on Jim Starlin's art more than his writing, which confirmed for all to see that the blast literally did nothing at all except to anger Galactus.
A worm crawling up your pants will literally do nothing at all except to make you agitated. I can't believe I had to spell this out for you. Keep up. Stop slowing me down.
Tyrant is certainly more powerful than a cracked cosmic cube that couldn't outlast 3 uses. You've got to be kidding me. Prove to me, with scans and feats, that the cube that Starlord had was operating at full power. You know, at the level of one of those cubes that Adam Magus had that were doing all sorts of wondrous feats in Infinity War. I'll even let you take the time to photoshop out Magus and put Starlord in there so at least we can see the cosmic cube doing more than firing 2 blasts.
Thanos was weakened thus inapplicable to a fully powered Thanos. 🙂 The plot device isn't in this thread anyway. We've seen plot devices affect Galactus and WB Hulk but they aren't usable or considered standard gear nor does this showing apply to a fully empowered Thanos of Titan. I am going to town on your logic.
Fully powered Thanos? At what point in TI would you label Thanos as "fully powered?" Didn't you explain that the was weak? So, what feats are we using. Weak? Also I know you don't want to be reminded but you already dismissed all the pre-TI feats as irrelevant.
That means you are left with "weak Thanos" feats. Or are you trying to extrapolate the feats of an "upgraded Thanos" and project them onto a "pre-TI, irrelevant" Thanos who wasn't weak, and attempt to debate based on a hypothetical TI upgrades Thanos combined with the non-weakened, pre-TI Thanos, i.e. conjecture and speculation which is so unsupported it makes "Full Powered Galactus" as easy to imagine as a wolverine showing.
Pick your feats. Stop wasting my time by trying to conjure up some hypothetical Thanos were you attempt to tell me "he was weak and tanked a blast from a weak cosmic cube, so therefore if he wasn't weak he'd tank a blast from a fully powered cosmic cube, even though none of that happened on panel"
...or...you can show me scans where he tanked a blast from a fully powered cosmic cube. You know, since you stated several times in this thread that you debate based off the actual comics themselves. I want you to know that I mostly believed that statement when you made it. I'm just waiting for you to dispel any doubts in my mind by showing me the scans that I obviously missed that shows the cube working at full power. Maybe you have some pages of script that I couldn't read.
Tyrant was brought down by a Thanos punch if you want to bring up things that brought him down. Tyrant was also depowered since you don't care if Thanos was or wasn't.
I really have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here.
Thanos using Tyrant's power orb to "bring down" Tyrant
There's already a panel on that very page of Tyrant ridiculing Thanos.
Here's the very next page, for onlookers who are just as puzzled as I am about why the De-Powered Tyrant vs Amped-Thanos fight is being brought up.
Huge blast unleashed by De-Powered Tyrant against Amped-Thanos. De-Powered Tyrant is mildly amused to see that Amped-Thanos is half-naked, but still alive.
Finally, Amped-Thanos knows that De-Powered Tyrant can kill him, and flees.
And so Thanos considers it a "victory" that he denies De-Powered Tyrant the opportunity to kill him by BFR'ing himself. An un-viable/losing tactic on KMC. Well, at least he doesn't beg for his life on his knees.
Unlike Thanos Tyrant cannot reform after complete destruction. 🙂
Yes, I know. I'm sure you also know that that has no relevance whatsoever to this fight. Hey, the mods made the rules, not me.
Thanos was weakened which doesn't apply to him since we don't use weakened versions unless stated in the op.
His amp doesn't just work against cancerverse beings. He isn't just immune to death against them he was in general. He didn't like that at the end of the comic hence him raging out. Did you even read or skim it at least ?[quote] His amp didn't do a damn thing except kill beings in the Cancerverse permanently. Or is killling phyla-vell supposed to impress De-Powered Tyrant. I'm not even bothering with FP Tyrant now, I'm bringing him down to De-Powered Tyrant's level.I really don't care that Thanos is immune to being permanently killed. Did you even bother to read what the mods ruled in regards to characters that can resurrect? Because you know, that has more immediate relevance to this thread than the actual comic, since it basically is telling YOU how you have to debate using this Thanos.
[quote]Look at him easily dominating a character who easily slapped aside the Surfer like an afterthought. Thanos easily wrecked someone who was easily above the Surfer. That's an amp, bro. I won't ignore him having the power to kill unkillables as the AOD. You want to ignore dialogue, canon showings, and the context of the whole book to sell your weak case. Not on my watch. I am arguing for the sake of internet justice.
Dominating the Surfer is something that is only impressive for a Thor-level character. DP Tyrant was laughing off a blood-lusted surfer. Beating mar-vell is impressive but compared to someone of Full Powered Tyrant's level? Not so much.
The power to kill unkillalbes has NO relevance to this fight. Tyrant isn't from the cancerverse. His blasting power didn't display anything even remotely in proximity to that required to put down FP Tyrant. Unless...since you so judiciously refer to the Thanos Text...care to show me scans where his blasting power affects a being on FP Tyrant's level.
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Originally posted by quanchi112So you are saying you are going to debate using pre-TI feats? Since,you know, he's not actually weakened in any of those feats? Ok then. Should have said that to begin with.Weakened. Does not apply. He's also immune to death.
He was ko'd by three telepaths and a cc. We didn't get to see him take on much of anyone at full power.
Yes, he was getting stronger as the arc progressed but not at full power. Even at his weakest he had enough power to kill unkillables.
Drax used a plot device bomb outside these threads to attack Thanos with which didn't even defeat him since he's immune to death. The cc power which didn't even lead him to bleed is crazy powerful. I recall Galactus being completely destroyed by cc's.[/quote]
A cosmic cube that was also called a paperweight in the same issue wasn't meant to do anything to him more than incapacitate.
So now you're back to using TI feats. Ok. But now with your post above, you are literally reaching through the computer and giving me more than enough to completely marginalize your attempted logic with several steps. I was quite surprised at how easy you made it. Anyway I will number them, so you can keep up with me.
1. The cosmic cube. It's a plot device. You're using it to establish Thanos' durability by assuming it's at optimal power. I disproved this. If you even begin to argue with me, then I want you, like I told you to do, to post scans that prove the Cube is at optimal power. Your whole position with regard to the CC is that Thanos tanked a blast from a plot device. I argued that it is a sub-optimal CC. You argued it is not. A non-sub-optimal CC is a plot device.
2. You've repeatedly said that Thanos is weak throughout the story. Yes I know that. He also gains more power as the story progresses.
3. Drax's bomb. It's a plot device, as you claim. I'm using it to establish Thanos' threshold for durability, since it KILLED HIM. You don't like it? Your problem...
...unless you thought this whole time that no one was going to let you prop up the supposed "feat" of 1 plot device and dismiss the feat of another plot device just because he survived one and didn't survive the other. I'm putting an end to your double standard and am forcing you to accept both plot device feats, or neither, since either outcome is far more favorable to me than it is to you. There is no middle ground. If you believe in 1 plot device, then you believe in all. You know, since you believe the cube Starlord used is all-powerful and thus, is a plot device.
Manhandling Mar-vell. Do you not read my posts or pretend I haven't already addressed this. Look at this point say you're wrong and I will let you leave without anything further.
THis proves absolutely nothing. This is like you saying that Magneto man-handled Dr. Doom when asked of proof if Magneto could take anyone on Odin's level.
I have already done 2 battlezones do one on your own or create the thread. If you want to argue it create the thread this whole challenging posters out of emotional pain needs to stop.
Emotional pain? Do I need to drag up the past few pages where you repeatedly were trying to convert this into a Thanos vs. Galactus match? I'm simply indulging in your wish.
I'm going on vacation this week. You already stated you don't have the time so when I return from vacation we will have the match, which will give you a window to gather scans, etc.
Thanos won their first confrontation. He took the orb and withstood his might so according to him and the objective he set before him he won.He didn't win at all.
His objective was to survive. Like Thanos, you wish to twist reality to your benefit (yes, i know you feel good being compared to thanos). He survived because he BFR'd himself.
I know I don't need to tell you that Thanos loses on the boards by BFR'ing himself. And he loses if he stays, because he admitted Tyrant could kill him.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic III comprehended it and I believe you did as well but out of personal bias choose not to see the forest for the trees.
No, it obviously was not. Read the books again, because you clearly need to comprehend, step-by-step, panel-by-panel, page-by-page, what was going on.1. Gamora didn't even know about the CC, the circumstances in which Starlord received it, or what it's purpose was for so she automatically assumed that Starlord could have done anything with it.
1.Starlord acknowledged her statement. The cc was still able to be used at the end of the arc. All the evidence like usual supports me.
2.Yes, Starlord knew the cc was needed as the only way to affect Thanos with enough power for 3 powerful telepaths to mindlock him. That's such an amazing feat. The funny thing is according to starlord he didn't have enough juice for anything but at the end of the arc he clearly did. Try looking at the whole picture when debating it's called being objective.
2. Starlord confirmed later that the cube only had enough power to knock Thanos out long enough for them to TP lock his brain. Starlord knows more about the CC for the simple fact that it was given to him and he used it. Your awful logic places a premium on the inaccurate and ignorant statements of a simple observer (Gamora)--who has absolutely ZERO knowledge of the events and CONTEXT that surround the cosmic cube--over the person who received the cube and used it.I want you to defend your awful logic right now and explain to me how Gamora knows more about the Cube than Starlord. Explain it to me right now.[/B]
It still was all powerful just not ever ending. The power needed to affect Thanos was cc or more =+. He called it a paperweight yet used it at the end. Take it as you will I am being objective.
3. Starlord AGAIN looked at the cube in frustration later on, which was CLEARLY cracked and in a completely sub-optimal state-he couldn't even get it to do anything at all. If the cube were as all-powerful as you desperately want it to be, he would NOT have called it a "paperweight" 😆[/B]
The cube was still capable of awesome power is the point which was still completely clear at the end of the arc as well as the beginning when he used it against Thanos in the first place. You are downplaying the feat but I am used to this sort of thing by now.
4. Again at the end of TI #6, even Nova, a character actually IN the story (since you place such a high premium on the whimsical statements of characters who know nothing about how starlord got the cube or why he has it, and how much power it has), doubts the cube is functioning due to its visibly clear cracks. Starlord answers "good enough for 1 shot, maybe 2"I know you've been trolling at this point since I refuse to believe even you are so incapable of reasoning that cube is not anywhere near full power.[/B]
Knocking back Galactus over a hundred yards obviously AFFECTED HIM. I didn't see it significantly injured him. I am simply going by what actually happened as opposed to your spin off what happened. A worm crawling up your pants can't knock you back 5 feet let alone a foot ball field so quit downplaying it's rather nauseating.
Once again your inability to comprehend and understand when your points have been annihilated doesn't shock me. Knocking back Galactus 50 feet did absolutely nothing. You're impressed with it because you are hung up on Jim Starlin's art more than his writing, which confirmed for all to see that the blast literally did nothing at all except to anger Galactus.A worm crawling up your pants will literally do nothing at all except to make you agitated. I can't believe I had to spell this out for you. Keep up. Stop slowing me down.[/B]
That's debatable. I for one have my doubts but you have already made up your opinion whereas I am always open to hear an opposing viewpoint. The dialgue to me makes it clear with what the writer was suggesting you choose to ignore and highlight certain dialogue while ignoring the use of the cc at the end of the story.
Tyrant is certainly more powerful than a cracked cosmic cube that couldn't outlast 3 uses. You've got to be kidding me. Prove to me, with scans and feats, that the cube that Starlord had was operating at full power. You know, at the level of one of those cubes that Adam Magus had that were doing all sorts of wondrous feats in Infinity War. I'll even let you take the time to photoshop out Magus and put Starlord in there so at least we can see the cosmic cube doing more than firing 2 blasts.[/B]
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Fully powered Thanos? At what point in TI would you label Thanos as "fully powered?" Didn't you explain that the was weak? So, what feats are we using. Weak? Also I know you don't want to be reminded but you already dismissed all the pre-TI feats as irrelevant. [/B][/QUOTE]We use both feats but the feats while weakened we don't ignore the context. We don't omit weakened Galactus feats just because he's weakened. You're hypocritical. It's rather sickening tbh. I simply said the feats and his durability prior to the arc was much greater than weakened Thanos during Thanos Imperative. That's all.
I am simply judging him by his entire history just like we do with a Byrne Superman. We don't ignore his feats preupgrade just like we don't ignore Thanos' feats while weakened or pre upgrade. I am consistent whereas your logic is self serving.
That means you are left with "weak Thanos" feats. Or are you trying to extrapolate the feats of an "upgraded Thanos" and project them onto a "pre-TI, irrelevant" Thanos who wasn't weak, and attempt to debate based on a hypothetical TI upgrades Thanos combined with the non-weakened, pre-TI Thanos, i.e. conjecture and speculation which is so unsupported it makes "Full Powered Galactus" as easy to imagine as a wolverine showing.Pick your feats. Stop wasting my time by trying to conjure up some hypothetical Thanos were you attempt to tell me "he was weak and tanked a blast from a weak cosmic cube, so therefore if he wasn't weak he'd tank a blast from a fully powered cosmic cube, even though none of that happened on panel"[/B]
Thanos tanked the cc blast and after the mindlock was weakened.
The comments regarding the cube's power and potency have already been addressed you can choose to disagree and believe the sky is red for all I care. There's no reason to further go into readdressing my points since you are close minded and hypocritical.
...or...you can show me scans where he tanked a blast from a fully powered cosmic cube. You know, since you stated several times in this thread that you debate based off the actual comics themselves. I want you to know that I mostly believed that statement when you made it. I'm just waiting for you to dispel any doubts in my mind by showing me the scans that I obviously missed that shows the cube working at full power. Maybe you have some pages of script that I couldn't read.[/B]
Thanos decked Tyrant with his own hand to knock him to the ground. The orb wasn't used in this attack. Thanos also ridiculed Tyrant it's called male posturing. The fact I have to explain this to you gives me an indicator of your ineptitude.I really have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here.
Thanos using Tyrant's power orb to "bring down" Tyrant
There's already a panel on that very page of Tyrant ridiculing Thanos.
Here's the very next page, for onlookers who are just as puzzled as I am about why the De-Powered Tyrant vs Amped-Thanos fight is being brought up.[/B]
Thanos showed he can weather an assault from him and the power to affect him already so with both at full power I see no reason to believe he can't affect him since a weakened pre TI Thanos was already able to affect a well nourished Galactus.
Tyrant failed to kill him when that was his attention. Thanos weathered his might and took the orb from him. That's an awesome showing considering depowered Tyrant was dominating a well fed Galactus with prep. Downplay it all you want but you know I am right.Huge blast unleashed by De-Powered Tyrant against Amped-Thanos. De-Powered Tyrant is mildly amused to see that Amped-Thanos is half-naked, but still alive.
Finally, Amped-Thanos knows that De-Powered Tyrant can kill him, and flees. [/B]
Thanos stated he put his skill against Tyrant's might and survived it. He won in his own mind. The comic boldly states this. Again I argue based off comics and am as objective as they come.
I said he won in his own mind. That's stated on panel. You again aren't paying attention to what it is I am saying but just continue to type angry.And so Thanos considers it a "victory" that he denies De-Powered Tyrant the opportunity to kill him by BFR'ing himself. An un-viable/losing tactic on KMC. Well, at least he doesn't beg for his life on his knees.[/B]
My point still stands.
Yes, I know. I'm sure you also know that that has no relevance whatsoever to this fight. Hey, the mods made the rules, not me.Dominating the Surfer is something that is only impressive for a Thor-level character. DP Tyrant was laughing off a blood-lusted surfer. Beating mar-vell is impressive but compared to someone of Full Powered Tyrant's level? Not so much.
The power to kill unkillalbes has NO relevance to this fight. Tyrant isn't from the cancerverse. His blasting power didn't display anything even remotely in proximity to that required to put down FP Tyrant. Unless...since you so judiciously refer to the Thanos Text...care to show me scans where his blasting power affects a being on FP Tyrant's level.
continued.... [/B]
Galactus was being hammered in the cancerverse along with the Celestials so yes Mar-vell is truly exceptional since he's the lynchpin to the entire cancerverse.
Yes, it does since he's that powerful to do so. That shows exceptional power. Pre TI Thanos has already affected Galactus so of course an upgraded Thanos affects someone less powerful than Galactus. 2+2=4.
1. Yes, it's a plot device outside an arc or so and has already been established as very powerful. When something this powerful is required to injure someone you get the picture of the magnitude of threat they are. The issue made it clear Thanos is big time. The whole story required his power, his inventive thinking to come to the solution not Galactus or anyone else. The cc was still able to do practically anything just didn't have an infinite charge is all.
1. The cosmic cube. It's a plot device. You're using it to establish Thanos' durability by assuming it's at optimal power. I disproved this. If you even begin to argue with me, then I want you, like I told you to do, to post scans that prove the Cube is at optimal power. Your whole position with regard to the CC is that Thanos tanked a blast from a plot device. I argued that it is a sub-optimal CC. You argued it is not. A non-sub-optimal CC is a plot device.2. You've repeatedly said that Thanos is weak throughout the story. Yes I know that. He also gains more power as the story progresses.[/B]
3.Thanos was weakened so it is not fair game. It's also a plot device created for this story alone as of yet just like the Stark satellites used against Hulk. There's a big difference I would have hoped you would have realized this by now.
3. Drax's bomb. It's a plot device, as you claim. I'm using it to establish Thanos' threshold for durability, since it KILLED HIM. You don't like it? Your problem......unless you thought this whole time that no one was going to let you prop up the supposed "feat" of 1 plot device and dismiss the feat of another plot device just because he survived one and didn't survive the other. I'm putting an end to your double standard and am forcing you to accept both plot device feats, or neither, since either outcome is far more favorable to me than it is to you. There is no middle ground. If you believe in 1 plot device, then you believe in all. You know, since you believe the cube Starlord used is all-powerful and thus, is a plot device.[/B]
Mar-vell was in a story s the focal point of an entire universe pitted against the 616 one. Galactus and Celestials were pawns so this gives you an idea of the power involved which made them mere foot soldiers.
THis proves absolutely nothing. This is like you saying that Magneto man-handled Dr. Doom when asked of proof if Magneto could take anyone on Odin's level. [/B]
Thanos beats either Galactus or Tyrant if we use his most current version. I argue based off of portrayal, history, and common sense.
Emotional pain? Do I need to drag up the past few pages where you repeatedly were trying to convert this into a Thanos vs. Galactus match? I'm simply indulging in your wish.I'm going on vacation this week. You already stated you don't have the time so when I return from vacation we will have the match, which will give you a window to gather scans, etc.
He didn't win at all.
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Look you'd lose I don't want to indulge you in a battlezone. I've done 3 but if you want to create a normal thread or bump one I will debate in the appropriate thread.
In Thanos' mind with the goal he laid before himself he won.
Thanos put his skill up against Tyrant's might. He withstood his brute power head on. Thanos took the orb and left him quite easily. Thanos prevailed with the objective he set before himself.
His objective was to survive. Like Thanos, you wish to twist reality to your benefit (yes, i know you feel good being compared to thanos). He survived because he BFR'd himself.I know I don't need to tell you that Thanos loses on the boards by BFR'ing himself. And he loses if he stays, because he admitted Tyrant could kill him. [/B]
Again you ignore what I say and bring up a batleboard's rules which have nothing to do with my statement. 🙂
Originally posted by Power Cosmic IIAnd so Thanos considers it a "victory" that he denies De-Powered Tyrant the opportunity to kill him by BFR'ing himself. An un-viable/losing tactic on KMC. Well, at least he doesn't beg for his life on his knees.
This is correct, since everything is stated on panel.
Thanos admits, that Tyrant could finish him off, if he had the chance, which he does not have in this fight, since Thanos teleports himself to safety. Not that he is running away from a fight, but it also shows us clearly what is going on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos stated he put his skill against Tyrant's might and survived it. He won in his own mind. The comic boldly states this. Again I argue based off comics and am as objective as they come.
I said he won in his own mind. That's stated on panel. You again aren't paying attention to what it is I am saying but just continue to type angry.
This is the typical Quanchi-Thanos-Can-Defeat-The-Marvel-Universe-LOLO-AOD-UPGRADE-UNKILLABLES-KILLING-non-sense.
Originally posted by EnzeruAnother example of someone not responding to my posts. Thanos wins.
This is correct, since everything is stated on panel.Thanos admits, that Tyrant could finish him off, if he had the chance, which he does not have in this fight, since Thanos teleports himself to safety. Not that he is running away from a fight, but it also shows us clearly what is going on.
This is the typical Quanchi-Thanos-Can-Defeat-The-Marvel-Universe-LOLO-AOD-UPGRADE-UNKILLABLES-KILLING-non-sense.
