Hulk vs Thor

Originally posted by Philosophía
So the people in this thread haven't actually read Fear Itself? They have no idea Hulk wasn't his normal self, or that Thor fought Thing, too, so I have to point it out to them?

Because I'm pretty sure it's not the Thor vs Hulk fight from Action Comics that's being discussed at length.

Also, Thing was a nuisance, at best.

And this:

...is adressed in the same issue.

In the part where Thor admits he could never beat him. 🙂

Thor beat the Thing and he wasn't a nuisance but obviously wasn't on Thor and the Hulk's level. Still an amped Thing and an amped Hulk versus Thor is a tad unfair and lopsided...wouldn't you say ?

Thor's ko'd him before. I could care less if he admits he could never beat him. I agree Hulk wins the majority of their matchups due to Thor's approach against the Hulk but also don't ignore a clear ko or a bfr victory in the same issue. Slugging it out with someone who gets stronger and increases their healing factor isn't a wise tactic but Thor seems to hold his own for the most part.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Quan, try to be less snarky.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When you leave out the context and try to take cheapshots at Thor for beating two amped opponents then you're wrong.

How could I leave out context, when I entered a discussion that was already underway about the issue itself?

You think Damborgson, celeyhyga17, Fifthchild any everybody else haven't read the issue, and are just discussing in vacuum?

I'm misleading them by not pointing out context which they obviously already know?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor beat the Thing and he wasn't a nuisance but obviously wasn't on Thor and the Hulk's level.

Thor beat him by calling his hammer.

He was a nuisance. His contribution to Thor's difficulties against Hulk is basically null.

I'm not here to start a discussion about the historial portrayal of Hulk vs Thor. I'm here to talk this issue. Thor was losing the fight, until his last move, which BFRd Hulk, but left him in a worse condition than him, who stood up and continue fighting in another part of the globe.

People pretending this proves "all out Thor > Hulk" are wrong. Severly so.

Originally posted by Philosophía
How could I leave out context, when I entered a discussion that was already underway about the issue itself?

You think Damborgson, celeyhyga17, Fifthchild any everybody else haven't read the issue, and are just discussing in vacuum?

I'm misleading them by not pointing out context which they obviously already know?

Thor beat him by calling his hammer.

He was a nuisance. His contribution to Thor's difficulties against Hulk is basically null.

I'm not here to start a discussion about the historial portrayal of Hulk vs Thor. I'm here to talk this issue. Thor was losing the fight, until his last move, which BFRd Hulk, but left him in a worse condition than him, who stood up and continue fighting in another part of the globe.

People pretending this proves "all out Thor > Hulk" are wrong. Severly so.

He wasn't a nuisance he just isn't on Thor's level. When Thor goes all out people get hurt. Badly. See airwalker.

You referenced Thor's comment in reference to his history with the Hulk. I brought up an easy ko of the Hulk by Thor. All out Thor against an all out Thor is much closer than people would imagine. But in light of the recent Pak Hulk glory coupled with Thor's recent embarrasing ko's make people forget about every great showing of Thor's and his long history against the Hulk. People go nuts over the latest showing and want to disregard everything else in favoro of the comic which just hit the stands.

Quan, shut up. Philo did no such thing.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Thor couldn't beat Hulk straight up - that much is clear. He was on his last breaths, and his all in attack did nothing more than to BFR Hulk [which is a forum win, sure] but nothing more. Saying Hulk was knocked out is unprovable, and unlikely. Fact is, after that fight, Thor was in a much worse condition than Hulk was.

This.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Quan, shut up. Philo did no such thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he did.

No, he really didn't, now drop it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, he really didn't, now drop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already said my piece anyway.

Warned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't know I don't read all 39 pages before I enter a debate. I am guessing neither did you.

Look, quan. Your routine hasn't changed. I'm not going to feed you. [unless you want cock 👆]

Go back to doing what an usual, well-adjusted 30 year old does. Troling people, since 2007, I guess.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, he really didn't, now drop it.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I need to do that, to make sure that everybody in all those pages has read the issue and knows the context and if not, specify it to them? 😂

Look, quan. Your routine hasn't changed. I'm not going to feed you. [unless you want cock 👆]

Go back to doing what an usual, well-adjusted 30 year old does. Troling people, since 2007, I guess.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Your right. Its about an obviously not conciouss person ko'd.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing. I explained my position just find. Why would a non combat situation " " somehow result in a ko?

"An empty speech bubble in a non-combat situation does not indicate that the character is unconscious"

does not imply that conversely:

"An empty speech bubble in a combat situation indicates that the character is unconscious"

Basically i feel you are talking around the central point which is that:

a) There is no time when an empty speech bubble is assigned to an obviously unconscious character.

b) There are plenty of times when an empty speech bubble is associated with a clearly conscious character.

All of which renders your assertion that "an empty speech bubble is a reliable indicator of unconsciousness" pretty dubious.
In fact it sems like a rather unreliable indicator at best and at worst a pretty good sign that the character was in fact conscious.

For it to just be my opinion there would have had to have been nothing to back it up with. But there was and I did.

Yeah I did. Nul and Galactus.

So one of your big pieces of evidence as to why this empty speech bubble indicates unconsciousness is....because Nul had an empty speech bubble and he was unconscious? Thats a nice piece of circular logic.

The examples you provided dont fit with the ones I did. Thats why they aren't really even relevant.

I went into more depth than that. Nice of you to ignore it though. 👆

Your "more depth" was just a longer explanation of why you feel Hulk was KOed along with a reason for why you felt Hulk should be able to talk in space which was irrelevant because, as i said previously, I dont think thats the reason for the empty speech bubble.

You dont have to agree. Dont see why you wouldnt but whatever.

It doesnt look like any more info is going to be added to the discussion at this point so I'll probably leave it here.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
"An empty speech bubble in a non-combat situation does not indicate that the character is unconscious"

does not imply that conversely:

"An empty speech bubble in a combat situation indicates that the character is unconscious"

Basically i feel you are talking around the central point which is that:

a) There is no time when an empty speech bubble is assigned to an obviously unconscious character.

b) There are plenty of times when an empty speech bubble is associated with a clearly conscious character.

All of which renders your assertion that "an empty speech bubble is a reliable indicator of unconsciousness" pretty dubious.
In fact it sems like a rather unreliable indicator at best and at worst a pretty good sign that the character was in fact conscious.

So one of your big pieces of evidence as to why this empty speech bubble indicates unconsciousness is....because Nul had an empty speech bubble and he was unconscious? Thats a nice piece of circular logic.

Your "more depth" was just a longer explanation of why you feel Hulk was KOed along with a reason for why you felt Hulk should be able to talk in space which was irrelevant because, as i said previously, I dont think thats the reason for the empty speech bubble.

It doesnt look like any more info is going to be added to the discussion at this point so I'll probably leave it here.

Except the two instances which I pointed out. Nul and Galactus.

I'm not talking around anything. I've talked about literally everything you've posted. And I honestly don't care for repeating myself much.

Hey way to go, that's the 2nd time you've ignored evidence I provided trying to make it sound less concrete by taking an out of context phrase. 👆 Like I said earlier (twice) I could see it just being considered a heavy stun. But a a ko doesn't seem to far off either.

My "more depth" was explain why I believe what I do. That's what you do in a debate.

lol? So, I provide an argument as to the reason why Nul is ko'd. You disagree, therefore the evidence I brought up is irrelevant because you don't think it was ko? Very interesting. Then I think your examples are highly irrelevant seeing as they were from characters who had not suffered a heavy attack. Most of which were standing in place. Wow that was easy.

Nah you'll be back.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Carver, Janus and whomever suck. But this isn't about them.

lol

Bottom line is Thor didn't just fight amped Hulk and amped Thing.
Let's list because some peeps fail or choose to forget. For what reason I don't know.

Fought small army of ice trolls. - check
Blasted by a skyfather. - check
Fought amped Hulk(KO) and amped Thing(killed). - check

All of which happened in sudden succession.
The idea that he collapsed solely from fighting amped Hulk is just completely and utterly ridiculous.

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What's up with all of these Hulk threads.

Originally posted by carver9
What's up with all of these Hulk threads.

He's the strongest there is remember!

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He's the strongest there is remember!

Hulk has more threads on KMC than any character. It's insane. Hard to debate against or for a character that doesn't have a tier. Especially for WWH who is the most powerful Hulk ever and who fts belong to him, all of them, no matter the incarnation. Don't think people grasped how powerful Pak intended for Hulk to be. There are instances where he got pissed during the WWH arc but he always held back, always. Even during his World Breaker mode he held back. Hell, Hulk even said he retained the Nul part of him. Held him back even while possessed (this was also shown when he told Betty to run. The only of the Serpent's that fought against the spell. This was also shown when he ripped his hammer to shreds to save his friends lives. Nul also didn't kill a single person while possessed with the entity).

Hulk always wins, no matter what. He is the god of strength and power.