Originally posted by carver9
Can you repeat what you said because I read through everything and it didn't make sense.
how is that my fault?
Look, I'm not opposed to the idea of instead of a momentary ko, it could have been a heavy stun. But as far as just him being surprised "oh shit I'm in space" that's ridiculous. Fraction, the same writer of the mighty Thor, used the " " or "..." after heavy damage for a ko. There are other instances of " " but those are all under non combat situations. Why put a speech bubble? Idk, that's his style. But he did it, and there's evidence enough to show it as a ko/heavy stun.
Originally posted by Damborgson
[B]I didn't say always first of all, and second of all typically when a situation where no extreme damage occurs, I think it's logical for someone to use their head and know what obviously the talking standing person is not knocked out. sorry if that wasn't specific enough.
Its not about whether an obviously still conscious person is KOed. Its that you made this definitive statement about what Fraction was trying to say, apparently withheld a lot of contradictory evidence that you knew of while at the end of the day there isnt anything to say that an empty speech bubble indicates unconsciousness except for your own opinion.
It's based on common sense and previous points.Not really unless you have some more examples where the sound isn't drowned out?
Why is the onus on me to provide yet another example of where an empty speech bubble doesnt demonstrate unconsciousness when you havent even produced one where it does?
I backed it up in the same sentence lol. With explanation and everything.
Saying "The empty speech bubble from Nul in that case is to show he could not speak imo." is not backing up your point. You basically just told us how you interpreted it. Which is fine but i dont see it the same way and it doesnt seem we are going to agree on this.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Its not about whether an obviously still conscious person is KOed. Its that you made this definitive statement about what Fraction was trying to say, apparently withheld a lot of contradictory evidence that you knew of while at the end of the day there isnt anything to say that an empty speech bubble indicates unconsciousness except for your own opinion.Why is the onus on me to provide yet another example of where an empty speech bubble doesnt demonstrate unconsciousness when you havent even produced one where it does?
Saying "The empty speech bubble from Nul in that case is to show he could not speak imo." is not backing up your point. You basically just told us how you interpreted it. Which is fine but i dont see it the same way and it doesnt seem we are going to agree on this.
Your right. Its about an obviously not conciouss person ko'd.
You're arguing for the sake of arguing. I explained my position just find. Why would a non combat situation " " somehow result in a ko?
For it to just be my opinion there would have had to have been nothing to back it up with. But there was and I did.
Yeah I did. Nul and Galactus. The examples you provided dont fit with the ones I did. Thats why they aren't really even relevant.
I went into more depth than that. Nice of you to ignore it though. 👆
You dont have to agree. Dont see why you wouldnt but whatever.
Originally posted by janus77u kidding rite? Dat foo was unconscious. U can get KO'd and still try to move or try to form speech, but totally incoherent. Ever watch mma when a guy kets knocked da eff out, but have involuntary movements and still see his mouth moving, but his eyes are either shut or open with an empty look? Hulk had an empty speech bubble while his eyes were shut. He got himself kothe eff out, then became coherent during reentry.. I can't see how else to look at it.
Nul was conscious the whole time, Thor fans are clutching at straws nowadays. It's funny but in a pitiful kind of way, that they can't even recognise a proper KO when Thor has one of them every other day.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't get the purpose of a speech bubble when you are unconscious. That would confuse the reader wouldn't it?
Originally posted by janus77
Nul was conscious the whole time, Thor fans are clutching at straws nowadays. It's funny but in a pitiful kind of way, that they can't even recognise a proper KO when Thor has one of them every other day.
You poor thing. Does it hurt that even after a dozen power-ups and rising popularity, my boy can still beat yours when he cuts loose?
Thor couldn't beat Hulk straight up - that much is clear. He was on his last breaths, and his all in attack did nothing more than to BFR Hulk [which is a forum win, sure] but nothing more. Saying Hulk was knocked out is unprovable, and unlikely. Fact is, after that fight, Thor was in a much worse condition than Hulk was.
Carver, Janus and whomever suck. But this isn't about them.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaThor also fought an amped Thing as well. I know the details or the context escapes you but enough already. Hulk was also amped. I guess none of these details matter and Thor was fresh as a daisy against two unamped foes.
Thor couldn't beat Hulk straight up - that much is clear. He was on his last breaths, and his all in attack did nothing more than to BFR Hulk [which is a forum win, sure] but nothing more. Saying Hulk was knocked out is unprovable, and unlikely. Fact is, after that fight, Thor was in a much worse condition than Hulk was.Carver, Janus and whomever suck. But this isn't about them.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaYou left out those details which explain the situation Thor was in. One unamped guy against two amped foes. You left out the context. So don't try to sell it as a fresh Thor vs. a fresh Hulk. Thor was gassed due to taking on two amped opponents while the Hulk minus an amp has always been a peer. So for him to be able to blast an amped peer off the planet in a last ditch effort is actually one helluva feat considering Thor's history with just the Hulk.
Where did I say this?
Originally posted by quanchi112So the people in this thread haven't actually read Fear Itself? They have no idea Hulk wasn't his normal self, or that Thor fought Thing, too, so I have to point it out to them?
You left out those details which explain the situation Thor was in. One unamped guy against two amped foes. You left out the context.
Because I'm pretty sure it's not the Thor vs Hulk fight from Action Comics that's being discussed at length.
Also, Thing was a nuisance, at best.
And this:
Originally posted by quanchi112
considering Thor's history with just the Hulk.
...is adressed in the same issue.
In the part where Thor admits he could never beat him. 🙂