The Death of Annie Dryden

I think the thread is done. Pretty much all of us agree that the standards for stuff like military should be set at "can you do the job" for all genders.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How much would I have to pay for that pleasure?

Since I'm older, out of shape, and haven't trained in MMA for years?

Probably €1000. The size of your arms and the size of your fists would probably knock me out. I would need the money for the medical costs, pain and suffering, and a bit more to make it worth it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Aww, it made dadude cry when I posted it last time.

I "whined" about your inappropriate application to my post, not the vid itself.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I "whined" about your inappropriate application to my post, not the vid itself.

As I recall you said "**** political correctness" but then claimed you meant something other than "**** political correctness", which would be entirely your fault since I can't read your mind only the things you write.

And you totally whined about the video. "It called me mean!"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As I recall you said "**** political correctness" but then claimed you meant something other than "**** political correctness", which would be entirely your fault since I can't read your mind only the things you write.
And you totally whined about the video calling you mean.

We already went over why you misunderstood, actually. I don't think Ush wants us to rehash. You can ask him if it's okay to post about it but I don't think he'll give his consent. If you want to talk about it via PMs, I'll oblige.

Finally read the story bit. How does a woman being beating to death by a man have anything to do with the military and women in the military?

A similar situation could have happened in say a hospital between a female and male nurse; how would that reflex in women not being fit to serve as nurses? Another fail thread desperately trying to make a link where there is none. Good job.

Originally posted by Robtard
Finally read the story bit. How does a woman being beating to death by a man have anything to do with the military and women in the military?

A similar situation could have happened in say a hospital between a female and male nurse; how would that reflex in women not being fit to serve as nurses? Another fail thread desperately trying to make a link where there is none. Good job.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Woman buys into that G.I. Jane bullshit, attempts to hulk out on someone while in the military, and then dies as a result. Gee, I don't know how this might pertain to the issue of women in the military.

Your beer goggles are impressive when reading news articles.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Woman buys into that G.I. Jane bullshit, attempts to hulk out on someone while in the military, and then dies as a result. Gee, I don't know how this might pertain to the issue of women in the military.

A woman died after being slammed into the ground by a man, again, this could have happened someplace other than a military base; involving two people who weren't soldiers.

This is also ignoring the obvious that a male soldier could have just as easily died by being hit the same exact way.

Think for a second instead of scrapping for a connection that doesn't exist.

I don't even see how you could look at that and say she wasn't qualified to be a soldier, unless the expectation is that soldiers should be superhumanly resistant to head trauma.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't even see how you could look at that and say she wasn't qualified to be a soldier, unless the expectation is that soldiers should be superhumanly resistant to head trauma.

I'll be the first to call bullshit on women having easier test for jobs like the military, police, firefighters etc., jobs like that should have equal testing/requirements for all.

But yeah, this connection he's trying to make here is clown-shoery. I suspect he just hates women.

Originally posted by Robtard
I suspect he just hate women.

Zeal just likes people to think that he's edgy. Someone probably told him it was considered Politically Correct to not be filled with pointless hatred. He'll leave puberty eventually.

Not wanting women to die in combat equates to hating women. Strong deduction, Sherlock.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Not wanting women to die in combat equates to hating women. Strong deduction, Sherlock.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Not wanting women to die in combat equates to hating women. Strong deduction, Sherlock.

If she had died in a combat situation, you'd [might] have a point; she didn't, genius. Cry more?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lol (1) this wasn't combat and (2) what you've been saying has absolutely no resemblance to that sentiment.

I don't like to be a nit-picky bassturd about something you've said, OV...

But...

1. It is combat:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/combat

"to fight or contend against; oppose vigorously..."

To be exact, it was Hand to Hand combat that the unfortunate lady physically instigated and participated in.

2. What he is saying directly applies to the topic. Under the same circumstances, a man would have probably (because this is all about averages and probabilities) fared better than the lady. "He" may not have been knocked out/down by the other man or "he" may have knocked out the other person on "his" first strike.

The male pronoun references are in quotes because it is a thought expiriment about pretending the woman was a man.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't like to be a nit-picky bassturd about something you've said, OV...

But...

1. It is combat:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/combat

"to fight or contend against; oppose vigorously..."

To be exact, it was Hand to Hand combat that the unfortunate lady physically instigated and participated in.

2. What he is saying directly applies to the topic. Under the same circumstances, a man would have probably (because this is all about averages and probabilities) fared better than the lady. "He" may not have been knocked out/down by the other man or "he" may have knocked out the other person on "his" first strike.

The male pronoun references are in quotes because it is a thought expiriment about pretending the woman was a man.

Seriously, you're smarter than this.

And lol at you explaining your quotations as if I'm some kind of moron.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You miss the point: there's nothing here that proves that a woman is unfit to be a soldier, just that head trauma is bad if you're human.

Seriously, you're smarter than this.

And lol at you explaining your quotations as if I'm some kind of moron.

And in Zeal's opinion, you miss the point, as well. Like I said in the thought experiment, the end result could have resulted very differently: not death. If the standards in the military were not asymmetric, then we MAY have had a more physically fit young lady strutting her stuff like a moron. The death may have been avoided if that were the case. I don't know for sure, but I definitely can't say (objectively) that if she were a male, "he" would have died as well. The probability that "he" would have survived the scuffle is definitely not marginally improved: it is quite significant.

Also, I do appreciate the vote in confidence from you. Perhaps I am not seeing your side of things clearly: I do bring a bias to the table because I have a disdain for the asymmetric rules in the military.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The probability that "he" would have survived the scuffle is definitely not marginally improved: it is quite significant.

Can you point me to statistics that suggest larger people are vastly more likely to survive untreated head injury?

That should really be the bigger issue here, apparently no one involved thought it was a good idea to have the checked after getting a concussion. If we're going to be using misleadingly gendered terminology in this thread I'd that's any extremely male problem that the military has.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Can you point me to statistics that suggest larger people are vastly more likely to survive untreated head injury?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's statistically more likely that a larger individual would not have sustained the injury in the first place, since people who are bigger, stronger, heavier, have more leverage and reach are statistically more likely to win fights.

Not if they're stupid enough to fight a person 100 pounds heavier than them which this woman apparently was.

I'm lolling hard at the beta male feminists whining about how BUT BUT BUT MEN ARE JUST AS LIKELY TO DIE FROM AN INJURY [CITATION NEEDED] IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE.