Originally posted by PillarofOsirisI'm talking about your mistaken assertion that Gladiator is not as fast as Superman and that every time he's fought Thor, Thor's had no response for his speed. First, Gladiator is one of the few heralds whose punches and parries were measured by the nanosecond on-panel. Since light speed moves about 1 foot per nanosecond, throwing a punch within a nanosecond or blocking a punch as fast as that within a nanosecond is FTL. Superman, to my recollection, has not surpassed nanosecond speeds in straight H2H combat. Second, Thor's never been overwhelmed straight up by Gladiator's speedof heat vision. The closest he came, Gladiator endangered an innocent Thor was protecting and took advantage of an opening.
Are you referring to the time when Thor's speed was AMPED?
Originally posted by biensalsaThe context is that Shadowdragon got wrecked by Lady Shiva. Straight up. Don't let it chafe.
😂 There is so many wrong things with this post, but I don't have enough time today.Quick note here. Don't you think I can see how You are trying to downplay the Speed of Shadow Dragon by posting the low balling vs Shiva and not so much a low balling when You know the context and how the Shadow Dragon armor works.
Originally posted by biensalsaLearn to read English. Nobody ever said Superman could only have two sets of speed. What kind of moron straw-man is this? Scans where Flash appears to lend speed, where their speedblitz gets thwarted, where Superman streches 1 second into a 10 minute conversation for 600x human speed, isn't really impressing me.
Also on you notion of Superman having only two sets of speed, but again like I said before, You are an expert on Superman since You are most of the time arguing for him.
Neither are your deflections from your insipid but blatant hypocritical attitude towards stacking Thor's low feats against Superman's high feats. THor's got high feats and Superman has low feats. Surprise, surprise.
Originally posted by carver9
No one is saying that Superman doesnt have nano second fts, his fts are kind of different than Gladiators though...MUCH DIFFERENT. Like ODG said, there are not too many Heralds with the punching fts Gladiator did or the reflex fts he performed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course he's saying that. Superman can held a conversation at faster than nanosecond level speed and fight FTL in sacrifice too. He's simply faster than almost anyone not named flash.
I agree with the convo But sacrifice wasnt recorded until he punched Wonder Woman to the planet.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0LOL, what a way to weave a deceiving mess. First of all, when a character displays their best feats doesn't mean everytime they fight they are using the same level (or even close) of that ability. So to equate Gladiator's feat of throwing nanosecond punches with Thor reacting to him when they fought is asinine. That's like saying that Hulk is faster than light since he reacted to someone who is faster than light (even gladiator).
I'm talking about your mistaken assertion that Gladiator is not as fast as Superman and that every time he's fought Thor, Thor's had no response for his speed. First, Gladiator is one of the few heralds whose punches and parries were measured by the nanosecond on-panel. Since light speed moves about 1 foot per nanosecond, throwing a punch within a nanosecond or blocking a punch as fast as that within a nanosecond is FTL. Superman, to my recollection, has not surpassed nanosecond speeds in straight H2H combat. Second, Thor's never been overwhelmed straight up by Gladiator's speedof heat vision. The closest he came, Gladiator endangered an innocent Thor was protecting and took advantage of an opening.
Second, Thor has feats against light speed attacks from 30 or so feet away. This is totally different than having the same feat from 5 feet away. Also, a baseball player can hit a 90mph straight fastball with relative ease but not so much a 5mph buzzing fly from 5 feet away. A speed blitz isn't necessarily a bull rush but more of a variety of random attack movement (like a buzzing fly). Also a lot of street levelers have feats against light speed beams as well but we all know they can't do shyte if classic quicksilver (not even flash) decided to blitz them. These are the reasons Thor should naturally have problems with Spider-man blitzing him.
In a comic, the writer's wouldn't never have Superman blitz Thor (at least for the majority of the fight) as they know it wouldn't make for a good fight. But that doesn't mean Superman can't blitz Thor with ease if he wanted to.
Guys, seriously? I get that Thor isn't as fast as someone like Superman or Black Adam, but he's gone up against characters that have speed blitzed before and has caught them off guard. I'm not even a Thor fan in the Slightest degree but I can admit when speed is extremely malleable in the world of comics. There is a speed difference, but it's not enough that people should be crying about it constantly.
Originally posted by Blight👆
Guys, seriously? I get that Thor isn't as fast as someone like Superman or Black Adam, but he's gone up against characters that have speed blitzed before and has caught them off guard. I'm not even a Thor fan in the Slightest degree but I can admit when speed is extremely malleable in the world of comics. There is a speed difference, but it's not enough that people should be crying about it constantly.
It's not enough that people stack Thor's low feats against Superman's high feats... now we have to pretend that Marvel Superclones like Gladiator haven't demonstrated nanosecond FTL speeds. Gimme a break. Seriously... ignoring all of Thor's high feats is one thing. Using only his low feats is a whole different thing. Making excuses and pretending Superman has no low feats is yet another thing. Bald-face lying and pretending like nobody in Marvel (especially ones Thor has faced) has Superman-level speed is a completely different thing.
Yet somehow, you can do all these things layered on top of each other and act like you're not being a complete ass about this. People: use common sense. It is as bad as I just painted it. And it's god damn boring. If this is how comics worked and this is how you want your logic to bear out, Superman would beat 10,000 Thors easily.
FFS, nobody is that god damn stupid. Stop peddling such stupidity. Superman has issues with General, Lobo, Darkseid, Mongul, etc. None of them even have as many feats as Thor! Are you people this blind???
Originally posted by Blight
Guys, seriously? I get that Thor isn't as fast as someone like Superman or Black Adam, but he's gone up against characters that have speed blitzed before and has caught them off guard. I'm not even a Thor fan in the Slightest degree but I can admit when speed is extremely malleable in the world of comics. There is a speed difference, but it's not enough that people should be crying about it constantly.
I suggest less trolling, lowballing and bickering and more eveidence.
Thor has responded to things and people moving fast. He just doesn't have mearly the amount of feats that DC characters show. You people need to sort out if that's because he's slower, or because it's Marvel.
Thor has moved fast. People should start posting some Thor feats instead of arguing.
Originally posted by BadabingHe's got a heck lot more feats than Darkseid, Lobo, General, Doomsday, Mongul do. Yet, somehow that means Thor gets beaten worse by speedblitzes.
I suggest less trolling, lowballing and bickering and more eveidence.Thor has responded to things and people moving fast. He just doesn't have mearly the amount of feats that DC characters show. You people need to sort out if that's because he's slower, or because it's Marvel.
Thor has moved fast. People should start posting some Thor feats instead of arguing.
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FFS. I don't understand how ass-backwards some people can be about this. It's not that hard!
