Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by Badabing
I suggest less trolling, lowballing and bickering and more eveidence.

Thor has responded to things and people moving fast. He just doesn't have mearly the amount of feats that DC characters show. You people need to sort out if that's because he's slower, or because it's Marvel.

Thor has moved fast. People should start posting some Thor feats instead of arguing.

We have posted feats bada people just ignore it

Originally posted by Sin I AM
We have posted feats bada people just ignore it

That said, people should know and understand characters they are debating for and against. Constantly demanding scans for things that should be known to a reasonable reader is getting old. I may talk to Pr and Digi about this problem. It seems to be more of a stalling tactic, or outright trolling, than innocent requests.

Originally posted by abhilegend
As for nanosecond feats, how about these which I've posted many times before but as usual people talk out of butthurt and forget about these.

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This is a great feat.

One of my favorites.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
We have posted feats bada people just ignore it

It's the complete focus on the highest feats of Superman as the only thing being representative of Superman's speed.

It's the complete focus on the lowest feats of Thor as the only thing being representative of Thor's speed. Which would be more forgivable... if Superman somehow never had his share of low and embarrassing feats. But he does.

So somehow, it's ok pretending that Superman never has low feats like being completely blitzed by a mid tier street-leveler below Lady Shiva.

And then this is topped off by acting like all the Marvel speedsters that Thor actually deals with somehow has nothing to do with Thor's reflexes. The only assumption that can be permitted is that they never used speed against Thor. Whereas with superbricks Superman has faced... somehow Superman has always used his speed against them

If people were being at all fair about this, you'd stack up the highest speed feats against each other (maybe take out the one or two outliers for both sides). You'd ignore the lowest speed feats and make that a wash. You wouldn't arbitrarily decide that one company somehow writes all their superspeedsters as never using speed against Thor or the vice-versa, that Superman always uses his speed against superbricks.

If you did that, you'd rationally conclude that Thor deals with speedblitzes better than Darkseid, Lobo, General, Doomsday, etc. Because he undeniably has a greater number of independent speed feats and has dealt with more speedsters consistently.

How do people avoid that conclusion and pretend like Thor would get speedblitzed worse? That he gets speedblitzes so badly that Superman would have an eternity to beat Thor before he knows what's happening? To the extent that you literally peddle the notion that Superman could beat thousands of Thors (cuz that's how bad the difference in speed is)?????

This make NO SENSE. A KMC forum fight should have at least some remote semblance to what occurs in comics -- despite all the protestations that forum fights work different, they should find some grounded reality in what we see in comics. Has ANYBODY ever seen Superman wreck a Thor-like character so badly that it was almost an eternity to Superman? That if he really went all out bloodlusted, some good Superman writer will write a scene where he wrecks 1,000 Thor-like characters before they even know what happens on-panel?

FFS. Does this absurdity not astound people?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or using superman's LOWEST speed feat as an indication as how the forum treats thor unfairly which doesn't has to do with superman in the first place.

A pet peeve of mine:

You'll get someone with few showings and fewer feats, like Gladiator or Majestic, and their two or three high ends will be treated like the norm. While someone like Superman who has many more showings, his high end feats will get discarded as PIS over his much lower end "average" ones...

Happens pretty often, and it could get annoying..

^ Who exactly is arguing against Superman's nanosecond speeds? If this really happens so often that it's become a pet peeve of your's?

If nobody is really denying that... then you should realize that Superman has got two (maybe three) nanosecond-level feats stretched across his career. How exactly are they being discarded as PIS if he's actually being measured at nanosecond FTL speeds?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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It's not enough that people stack Thor's low feats against Superman's high feats... now we have to pretend that Marvel Superclones like Gladiator haven't demonstrated nanosecond FTL speeds. Gimme a break. Seriously... ignoring all of Thor's high feats is one thing. Using only his low feats is a whole different thing. Making excuses and pretending Superman has no low feats is yet another thing. Bald-face lying and pretending like nobody in Marvel (especially ones Thor has faced) has Superman-level speed is a completely different thing.

Yet somehow, you can do all these things layered on top of each other and act like you're not being a complete ass about this. People: use common sense. It is as bad as I just painted it. And it's god damn boring. If this is how comics worked and this is how you want your logic to bear out, Superman would beat 10,000 Thors easily.

FFS, nobody is that god damn stupid. Stop peddling such stupidity. Superman has issues with General, Lobo, Darkseid, Mongul, etc. None of them even have as many feats as Thor! Are you people this blind???

No one is using Thor's low feats against Superman's best. Thor has ZERO feats showing that he can defend against a blitz of Superman level. Showing random feats of blocking beams from 30feet away or feats against fast characters NOT USING their top speed doesn't prove anything. I can write Batman smacking flash when flash not using his top speed any day of the week. Didn't Hulk respond to Gladiator as well. Is Hulk faster than light?

Give me Thor's greatest speed feats and I guarantee you that they are insufficient in showing he can defend against a speed blitz of Superman's level. Try me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Who exactly is arguing against Superman's nanosecond speeds? If this really happens so often that it's become a pet peeve of your's?

If nobody is really denying that... then you should realize that Superman has got two (maybe three) nanosecond-level feats stretched across his career. How exactly are they being discarded as PIS if he's actually being measured at nanosecond FTL speeds?

I was talking about my internet career, and less KMC specifically.. Although low balling happens almost anywhere, sort of as a fanboy backlash effect.

CBR was particularly bad at low balling when it was between fanboy favorites and "smart comic fan" obscure favorites.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So once again lying.

"Brother eye, start tracking", "Track initiated".

Post the scan where they are at the sun and Max Lord say "begin recording". Naah, you don't have too...give me the issue number and I will do it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A KMC forum fight should have at least some remote semblance to what occurs in comics -- despite all the protestations that forum fights work different, they should find some grounded reality in what we see in comics.

yep. if this were done on a more consistent basis, it would make debates a lot more character-based and a lot less powerset-based.....

iow: it'll never fly. 😐

Originally posted by cdtm
A pet peeve of mine:

You'll get someone with few showings and fewer feats, like Gladiator or Majestic, and their two or three high ends will be treated like the norm. While someone like Superman who has many more showings, his high end feats will get discarded as PIS over his much lower end "average" ones...

Happens pretty often, and it could get annoying..

Who does this? I know you cant be talking about me because I NEVER use the speed blitz argument with Gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
Who does this? I know you cant be talking about me because I NEVER use the speed blitz argument with Gladiator.

Originally posted by Badabing
I'm gonna PM this quote to Pr. He can decide your fate. 😉

Lol...I'm not disputing speed Bada. I'm just trying to figure out if he is talking about me. By the way, just reported you.

😉

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I'm not disputing speed Bada. I'm just trying to figure out if he is talking about me. By the way, just reported you.

😉

Originally posted by Badabing
That's cool. I saw the report and just warned you for abusing the report. 🙂

Lol...no comment.

Originally posted by carver9
Who does this? I know you cant be talking about me because I NEVER use the speed blitz argument with Gladiator.

Wow

I thinkings yes, Thor is able to doeth anythings! He is a god as well as someone sooper!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wow

The truth is amazing huh? I was saying "wow" when I was typing it. Mind boggling.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's not even the ignoring part that is inexplicable to me. That's just an automatic reflex of butthurt Thor haters.

It's the complete focus on the highest feats of Superman as the only thing being representative of Superman's speed.

It's the complete focus on the lowest feats of Thor as the only thing being representative of Thor's speed. Which would be more forgivable... if Superman somehow never had his share of low and embarrassing feats. But he does.

So somehow, it's ok pretending that Superman never has low feats like being completely blitzed by a mid tier street-leveler below Lady Shiva.

And then this is topped off by acting like all the Marvel speedsters that Thor actually deals with somehow has nothing to do with Thor's reflexes. The only assumption that can be permitted is that they never used speed against Thor. Whereas with superbricks Superman has faced... somehow Superman has always used his speed against them

If people were being at all fair about this, you'd stack up the highest speed feats against each other (maybe take out the one or two outliers for both sides). You'd ignore the lowest speed feats and make that a wash. You wouldn't arbitrarily decide that one company somehow writes all their superspeedsters as never using speed against Thor or the vice-versa, that Superman always uses his speed against superbricks.

If you did that, you'd rationally conclude that Thor deals with speedblitzes better than Darkseid, Lobo, General, Doomsday, etc. Because he undeniably has a greater number of independent speed feats and has dealt with more speedsters consistently.

How do people avoid that conclusion and pretend like Thor would get speedblitzed worse? That he gets speedblitzes so badly that Superman would have an eternity to beat Thor before he knows what's happening? To the extent that you literally peddle the notion that Superman could beat thousands of Thors (cuz that's how bad the difference in speed is)?????

This make NO SENSE. A KMC forum fight should have at least some remote semblance to what occurs in comics -- despite all the protestations that forum fights work different, they should find some grounded reality in what we see in comics. Has ANYBODY ever seen Superman wreck a Thor-like character so badly that it was almost an eternity to Superman? That if he really went all out bloodlusted, some good Superman writer will write a scene where he wrecks 1,000 Thor-like characters before they even know what happens on-panel?

FFS. Does this absurdity not astound people?

Here's the evidence we got:
1. Thor blocks or slightly moves out of the way of light speed beams from about 30ft away. Again, street levelers done this and it doesn't hold up to the buzzing fly from 5ft away argument.

2. Thor is seen fighting characters that have superspeed. This doesn't hold up because these characters aren't using their top speed against Thor as they have done before. Otherwise, every character that Superman has fought when he wasn't using his speed can respond to a Superman speedblitz. And Hulk and other slower beings are able to fight and respond to speedsters without being in their league of speed.

Anything else?

The only way to prove that Thor can respond to a Superman level speedblitz is to show him defending against one or show him performing highly mobile movements (turning around or using fast footwork) in the order of at least half the speed of light. Thor may be able to block or dodge a straight attack from 30ft away but show me him blocking or responding to a light speed attack from 5ft away. Also show me him turning around or manuevering with his feet on the level of at least half the speed of light. If you do then we may have a deal.

But if you can't then consider
In comic reality it makes no sense for Thor to be able to deal with a legitimate Superman level speed blitz. Anyone who has reads comics know this. Hell they would have a problem believing he can respond to Spider-man's speed blitz.