Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong since he's defeated characters with greater than light speeds more than once. Cite two examples of speed just outright defeating him.

That's not a valid nor reasonable question.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman increases his speed accordingly? Of course I know that. In fact, I can read it in plain black-and-white right here when he's facing Shadowdragon

Let's face it, Superman got speedblitzed and he had to fight him in another way since he was outclassed in speed

Superman got straight up outsped by a street-leveler. Lady Shiva sonned Shadowdragon. Badly. Dude's a street. And dealing with DC lasers doesn't change that. It's a low feat by Superman, lower than getting speedblitzed by a clear high meta like Mongoose while poisoned.

But somehow you felt compelled to pretend it's not a low feat. That you can keep holding Thor's low feats against him but not Superman's. Phuck off. The ease with which you offer your excuses for Superman but condemn everything offered for Thor is nothing but straight up hypocritical garbage. You scoff at Thor effortlesly dealing with lasers and thought speed attacks without resorting to aim dodging/blocking. You jizz at DC characters dealing with lasers and thought speeds where aim dodging/blocking exists.

This hypocrisy is made even worse when you stack the Shadowdragon low feat against the Mongoose low feat. Mongoose never was destroyed by Elektra. Shadowdragon didn't use poison to slow Superman down. Yet, with your short-circuited brain, somehow you concluded that Thor somehow can't deal with speed. Backwards. As in ass backwards.

Oh, come on, even you on your blissfull ignorance on Superman should known that Superman has more than Two sets of speeds and believe me if is stated that SD is faster than Superman and if is stated that he moves faster than thought, then is clear that Shadow Dragon is very fast.

Yes is clear that You are trying to lowball his speed by showing his example vs Lady Shiva, but I believe that is more a side effect of proving you wrong on your wrong assumption of Shadow Dragon's speed, when is stated on panel that He is moving faster than thought and He is moving quickly vs a laser web. As a side note and probably just to inform you more about characters Lady Shiva is so good reading body language and she could almost all the time know what is the next move of an opponent.

Besides your wrong notion of characters ALWAYS using their powers at 100%, but is not like You don't know that, You are just convinietly forgetting it, just because You want to prove a point.

This is a ridiculuos Idea, because thanks to that We have people assuming Hulk has FTL reflexes just because He can fight vs Gladiator and Sentry.
Or it will be as ridiculuos as someone thinking that Superman has reality manipulation powers just because He has resisted reality manipulation in the past.

So, please stop using that logic and come on even Spiderman has been able to dodge Mongoose's attacks.

Funny thing here, is that Shadow Droagon is stated to be faster than thought while Mongoose and Spiderman are not.

So one character having super speed does not translate into always using his super speed to a full potential.

Again this is what it lead to ideas of Hulk having FTL reflexes because Sentry is FTL.

In the case of Speed and Super human speed there is different levels that can range from Enhanced peak athlete human speed to WTF Flash speed and characters do not always use their full speed all the time and I guess You will agree with me If I said Thor does rerely uses his lighting/wind speed vs Hulk.

Hence Shadow Dragon not using full speed vs Shiva
Thor not using full speed vs Hulk

And now returning to Thor's capabilities to respond to a speed blitz.

I belive Thor can respond to a blitz from characters like Mongoose but much higher speeds? I doubt that.

To illustrate this point instead of using Supervibrator I will use Gladiator as it will make it less painful for some Marvel only followers.

Originally posted by cdtm
I've seen this one a few times before (Once to prove MM's speed, another to prove WW's)

It looks like Flash is lending them speed? Amping them? 😕

They may be faster than thought normally, but is this a feat to prove that?

I posted this to show what "faster than thought" can achieve as in someone is trying to downplay Shadows Dragon's fighting speed because a low balling with Shiva.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm talking about your mistaken assertion that Gladiator is not as fast as Superman and that every time he's fought Thor, Thor's had no response for his speed. First, Gladiator is one of the few heralds whose punches and parries were measured by the nanosecond on-panel. Since light speed moves about 1 foot per nanosecond, throwing a punch within a nanosecond or blocking a punch as fast as that within a nanosecond is FTL. Superman, to my recollection, has not surpassed nanosecond speeds in straight H2H combat. Second, Thor's never been overwhelmed straight up by Gladiator's speedof heat vision. The closest he came, Gladiator endangered an innocent Thor was protecting and took advantage of an opening.

Oh yes because Gladiator only has two sets of speed.

Normal Speed and Super speed.

When HE is using Super speed is only FLT it cannot be Sub sonic, Super Sonic, MACH 2, 3 , 4, 5, 6 it is ONLY FTL. doh

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not a valid nor reasonable question.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The context is that Shadowdragon got wrecked by Lady Shiva. Straight up. Don't let it chafe. Learn to read English. Nobody ever said Superman could only have two sets of speed. What kind of moron straw-man is this? Scans where Flash appears to lend speed, where their speedblitz gets thwarted, where Superman streches 1 second into a 10 minute conversation for 600x human speed, isn't really impressing me.

Neither are your deflections from your insipid but blatant hypocritical attitude towards stacking Thor's low feats against Superman's high feats. THor's got high feats and Superman has low feats. Surprise, surprise.

Context my friend is always really important and now that I took a better look at your Thor respect tread should start exposing that context, but not here, I will do it in due time.

You are saying that Thor can deal with Superman because how He dealt with Gladiator. because apparently to you there is only speed and Super speed regardless of mach 1 or FLT is Thor deals with Gladiator and since Gladiator moves at FTL therefore Thor can react at FTL. This is not a moron straw man. This is a complete fallacy on your part.

And if the sm feat of "strecheing 1 second into a 10 minute conversation for 600x human speed" does not impresses you, please show me Thor doing the same. 😉

And since You forgot to quote this, I need to bring this up again

Just think about this for a second and picture Thor facing Gladiator WITH OUT the time dilatation device from Reed Richards and tell me with a straight face that Thor could have battled Gladiator on those speeds

Originally posted by biensalsa
Oh, come on, even you on your blissfull ignorance on Superman should known that Superman has more than Two sets of speeds and believe me if is stated that SD is faster than Superman and if is stated that he moves faster than thought, then is clear that Shadow Dragon is very fast.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes is clear that You are trying to lowball his speed by showing his example vs Lady Shiva, but I believe that is more a side effect of proving you wrong on your wrong assumption of Shadow Dragon's speed, when is stated on panel that He is moving faster than thought and He is moving quickly vs a laser web. As a side note and probably just to inform you more about characters Lady Shiva is so good reading body language and she could almost all the time know what is the next move of an opponent.

The only conclusion here is that you're desperate to prove that Superman never has low feats in speed. That position is both untenable and completely clownish.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Besides your wrong notion of characters ALWAYS using their powers at 100%, but is not like You don't know that, You are just convinietly forgetting it, just because You want to prove a point.

This is a ridiculuos Idea, because thanks to that We have people assuming Hulk has FTL reflexes just because He can fight vs Gladiator and Sentry.
Or it will be as ridiculuos as someone thinking that Superman has reality manipulation powers just because He has resisted reality manipulation in the past.

Originally posted by biensalsa
So, please stop using that logic and come on even Spiderman has been able to dodge Mongoose's attacks.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Funny thing here, is that Shadow Droagon is stated to be faster than thought while Mongoose and Spiderman are not.

Originally posted by biensalsa
So one character having super speed does not translate into always using his super speed to a full potential.

Again this is what it lead to ideas of Hulk having FTL reflexes because Sentry is FTL.

In the case of Speed and Super human speed there is different levels that can range from Enhanced peak athlete human speed to WTF Flash speed and characters do not always use their full speed all the time and I guess You will agree with me If I said Thor does rerely uses his lighting/wind speed vs Hulk.

Hence Shadow Dragon not using full speed vs Shiva
Thor not using full speed vs Hulk

And now returning to Thor's capabilities to respond to a speed blitz.

I belive Thor can respond to a blitz from characters like Mongoose but much higher speeds? I doubt that.

To illustrate this point instead of using Supervibrator I will use Gladiator as it will make it less painful for some Marvel only followers.

Superman is not free from low speed feats, like Thor. He did indeed get blitzed by a mid street-level who got straight dismantled by Lady Shiva in H2H. A worse performance than a poisoned Thor's against a legitimate high meta speedster like Mongoose. You want to focus on Thor's low feats? Fine. The light will then fairly be shined on Superman's low feats. And pretending that he's never had any is simple delusion. You don't like people pointing out the lows that Superman's achieved in his long career? That's a perfectly fine sentiment. I'd just ask you to stop being a complete hypocrite about it.

So far, you've been nothing but.

Thor can whirl his hammer around him so fast it's an impenetrable wall against a speedblitz. The famous match he had with Hulk in the Lee/Kirby days when he asked his father to 'turn off' his hammer for five minutes to test himself h2h - he created the vortex around him with his hammer so Hulk couldn't get through it and interrupt the conversation.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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It's not enough that people stack Thor's low feats against Superman's high feats... now we have to pretend that Marvel Superclones like Gladiator haven't demonstrated nanosecond FTL speeds. Gimme a break. Seriously... ignoring all of Thor's high feats is one thing. Using only his low feats is a whole different thing. Making excuses and pretending Superman has no low feats is yet another thing. Bald-face lying and pretending like nobody in Marvel (especially ones Thor has faced) has Superman-level speed is a completely different thing.

Yet somehow, you can do all these things layered on top of each other and act like you're not being a complete ass about this. People: use common sense. It is as bad as I just painted it. And it's god damn boring. If this is how comics worked and this is how you want your logic to bear out, Superman would beat 10,000 Thors easily.

FFS, nobody is that god damn stupid. Stop peddling such stupidity. Superman has issues with General, Lobo, Darkseid, Mongul, etc. None of them even have as many feats as Thor! Are you people this blind???

Dude You are seriously bitter, anyone with half a brain knows all characters have low balling and high end feats. And who the hell is trying to stack Thor's low end to Superman's high end? if any You are trying to low ball Shadow Dragon's speed and I have not in any moment tried to low ball Mongoose's, spiderman's or Gladiator's speed. I know they move fast, You think because Thor moves the mallet fast, that translates into him moving his limbs FTL.

I can swing a chain in my hand really fast, that does not mean my hand is faster than the chain.

And AGAIN you a selling your idea of a speedster only using two gears of speed.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Oh yes because Gladiator only has two sets of speed.

Normal Speed and Super speed.

When HE is using Super speed is only FLT it cannot be Sub sonic, Super Sonic, MACH 2, 3 , 4, 5, 6 it is ONLY FTL. doh

Now reread what you just posted. Now realize how you have not addressed a single thing that I stated in response to another poster in a completely different conversation under a completely different context.

You either are inept or a liar. And my patience with either is thinning. Either address something I have actually said or stay silent.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Dude You are seriously bitter, anyone with half a brain knows all characters have low balling and high end feats. And who the hell is trying to stack Thor's low end to Superman's high end? if any You are trying to low ball Shadow Dragon's speed and I have not in any moment tried to low ball Mongoose's, spiderman's or Gladiator's speed. I know they move fast, You think because Thor moves the mallet fast, that translates into him moving his limbs FTL.

I can swing a chain in my hand really fast, that does not mean my hand is faster than the chain.

Thor swinging Mjolnir fast enough with his arms to block/bat bullets and lasers after they're fired... is evidence that he can swing his arms fast enough to block/bat bullets and lasers after they're fired. You'd have to be a complete and utter retard to think otherwise.

Originally posted by biensalsa
And AGAIN you a selling your idea of a speedster only using two gears of speed.

So stop lying. You do that one more time, you are reported. I cannot be clearer about this or state it more dryly. One more time, and you're reported. Butthurt trolls are one thing. I can take my time to expose inept reasoning and hypocrisies. I don't abide baldfaced lying. Especially not by butthurt hypocrite trolls.

didn't they recently do a story where Thor coudn't keep up with some mind rapped wolverine?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]didn't they recently do a story where Thor coudn't keep up with some mind rapped wolverine? [/B]

It can be argued Thor wasn't trying to hurt Wolverine.If I remember correctly Thor fried Daken(Dark Wolverine) in one of those Siege Story arc.If Thor was enough of a douchebag, he would do the same to Wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How many times do I have to point out your moronic strawman? I never said Superman has only two states of speed. I pointed out myself, how he can adjust his speeds. I trust you can read English, so read this: just because you find a completely different statement easier to refute, doesn't give you the right to lie about what I state. Do better than this and perhaps I can take your posts more seriously.

Come on, You are trying to sell the idea that just because Thor dealt with Gladiator and Gladiator can fight FTL therefore Thor can react to those speeds. And You are also trying to sell the idea Shadow Dragon's vs Shiva as an example of how Shadow Dragon armor is not fast

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Shadowdragon is fast enough to get wrecked by Lady Shiva. That's on-panel. Dodging lasers in a scene where aim dodging is possible is street-level fare. I am not lowballing anybody's speed. Him making Superman look like an amateur was a low feat of Superman's or PIS, no matter how clearly it was portrayed that Superman was slower. Nothing else. You can not reasonably reconcile the same exact character clowning Superman in speed and getting destroyed by Lady Shiva in straight H2H. You're trying to have it both ways and it doesn't wash.

You see, You are saying here that Shadow Dragon used his full speed vs Shiva, which is the most moronic idea I have ever heard, maybe is because you got bitter about me posting a statement of him being faster then thought and that completely robs you of one of your Superman low balls? 🙄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The only conclusion here is that you're desperate to prove that Superman never has low feats in speed. That position is both untenable and completely clownish. Nobody appreciates a liar. So stop lying about what arguments I make. You are not addressing a single thing I've said. If you cannot deal with something I have said, then stay silent and deal with it. Your inability to carry a truthful constructive conversation is not license for you to lie.

Superman has his low feat, but this is not one of them, come one stop being so bitter. You are desperate to keep that as a low ball that you event went your way out and low ball Shadow Dragon with Lady Shiva!!! This is like WTF? is as if I were desperate enough to show Spiderman being punked by Daredevil, just because I want to prove that Thunderstrike is slow.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Post the entire fight. If you don't, I invite you to shut up about it. Shadowdragon got wrecked by Lady Shiva in straight H2H. Deal with it. Superman had a low speed feat performance against a mid street-leveler. An extremely low one. Just because he got blitzed doesn't make Shadowdragon a Superman+ superspeedster. Superspeedsters don't get straight up dismantled in H2H by Lady Shiva. This rambling stream of (un)consciousness has nothing to do with anything I've posted.

You will try to keep up with lowballing SD speed and get the focus away from this topic, how about this? We go to the shadow dragon thread which is =====================> way

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman is not free from low speed feats, like Thor. He did indeed get blitzed by a mid street-level who got straight dismantled by Lady Shiva in H2H. A worse performance than a poisoned Thor's against a legitimate high meta speedster like Mongoose. You want to focus on Thor's low feats? Fine. The light will then fairly be shined on Superman's low feats. And pretending that he's never had any is simple delusion. You don't like people pointing out the lows that Superman's achieved in his long career? That's a perfectly fine sentiment. I'd just ask you to stop being a complete hypocrite about it.

So far, you've been nothing but.

😂 You do really sound butt hurt.

Superman has low feats, happy? but SD is not one of them 😈

Originally posted by Igniz
It can be argued Thor wasn't trying to hurt Wolverine.If I remember correctly Thor fried Daken(Dark Wolverine) in one of those Siege Story arc.If Thor was enough of a douchebag, he would do the same to Wolverine.

Yeah that the only part of that book I can recall.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Come on, You are trying to sell the idea that just because Thor dealt with Gladiator and Gladiator can fight FTL therefore Thor can react to those speeds. And You are also trying to sell the idea Shadow Dragon's vs Shiva as an example of how Shadow Dragon armor is not fast

Originally posted by biensalsa
You see, You are saying here that Shadow Dragon used his full speed vs Shiva, which is the most moronic idea I have ever heard, maybe is because you got bitter about me posting a statement of him being faster then thought and that completely robs you of one of your Superman low balls?

Your bungling ineptitude with trying to justify lowballing Thor has completely revealed your double-standards.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Superman has his low feat, but this is not one of them, come one stop being so bitter. You are desperate to keep that as a low ball that you event went your way out and low ball Shadow Dragon with Lady Shiva!!! This is like WTF? is as if I were desperate enough to show Spiderman being punked by Daredevil, just because I want to prove that Thunderstrike is slow.

You will try to keep up with lowballing SD speed and get the focus away from this topic, how about this? We go to the shadow dragon thread which is =====================> way

You do really sound butt hurt.

Superman has low feats, happy? but SD is not one of them

Stop pretending it's not a low feat. Stop pretending Superman doesn't have low feats that are more embarrassing than Thor's. He's that prevalent a character and you shouldn't be so surprised.

Stop being so obviously hypocritical with your attitude. The same excuse you peddle to excuse Shadowdragon's so called low speed feat somehow cannot be used for Thor. Or Superman even. Why? Because in your idiot mind, you cannot countenance the idea that Thor didn't perform to his best or that Superman didn't perform to his best (making his enemies that fast).

Bullsh1t. Childish bullsh1t.

Originally posted by Igniz
It can be argued Thor wasn't trying to hurt Wolverine.If I remember correctly Thor fried Daken(Dark Wolverine) in one of those Siege Story arc.If Thor was enough of a douchebag, he would do the same to Wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Once again, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. What I posted was a rebuttal to a claim that Gladiator's nowhere near as fast as Superman. Gladiator has achieved nanosecond FTL H2H combat superspeeds. That's easily on par with Superman's.

OK, since You are getting your panties in a bunch, I will address every single sentence You are making, but please stop using that pompous grammar you use, to try to hide your lack of IQ.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Thor has never been overwhelmed by Gladiator's speed absent innocent bystanders being endangered.

See? WTF are You saying here? that because Gladiator has not overwhelm Thor therefore Thor can react to Gladiator's speed, but You are conviniently forgetting that speed has several GEARS and You are assuming or trying to sell the idea of Gladiator moving at a taxing speed for him or an all out speed fro Gladiator, which is not true by far.

The only time Thor has faced Gladiator while Gladiator was using a taxing speed for his body, Thor was suing time dilatation from Reed.

Now answer me with a straight face and tell me if you think Thor can deal with Glads if Glads is moving at hyperspeed?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Now reread what you just posted. Now realize how you have not addressed a single thing that I stated in response to another poster in a completely different conversation under a completely different context.

You either are inept or a liar. And my patience with either is thinning. Either address something I have actually said or stay silent. Then stop pretending that Superman doesn't have embarrassing low speed feats.

He does, just this one is not one of them, just because You are trying to lowball SD speed and trying to get away the attention from "THOR RESPONDING TO A SPEED BLITZ"

And neither will I take shit from your insults, If I hate anything in this world is some bitter pompous idiot insulting me online. So cool down your tone

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor swinging Mjolnir fast enough with his arms to block/bat bullets and lasers after they're fired... is evidence that he can swing his arms fast enough to block/bat bullets and lasers after they're fired. You'd have to be a complete and utter retard to think otherwise.

You should try it, tell one of your friends who has slower reflexes then yours and tell them to swing some nunchucks and try to pass your hand trough it, please record it and post it in You Tube so I can laugh.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And AGAIN you keep saying I said that. You are acutely aware that you have not, and cannot, quote a single post where I peddle that idea.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Thor has never been overwhelmed by Gladiator's speed absent innocent bystanders being endangered.

^ Who is lying?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So stop lying. You do that one more time, you are reported. I cannot be clearer about this or state it more dryly. One more time, and you're reported. Butthurt trolls are one thing. I can take my time to expose inept reasoning and hypocrisies. I don't abide baldfaced lying. Especially not by butthurt hypocrite trolls.

OK This sounds like a rant 🙄

I can't believe salsa walked right into the trap laid before him. Youd think he'd see it coming. Oh well. Kmc is not a kind place.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]But then why didn't Thor dodge the cuts Wolvie was doing him,the only thing that saved him from serious injury was his THICK Asgardian skin....

Yeah that the only part of that book I can recall. [/B]

And Thor caught Wolverine by the foot and threw him away.Using the Thor Vs Wolverine fight is pointless to prove Thor can't respond to a speedblitz.I guess Wolverine's speed>>>Quicksilver,Silver Surfer,Gladiator, and etc.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He did exactly that when he finally lost his patience.

Oh yeah.Thanks for reminding me.

I remember Shadowdragon.. No idea what he's been up to lately, but I have his initial showings.

The story made it clear Supes wasn't quick enough to tag him, and was trying his best to. And the speeds the suit achieved even hurt the user, causing him injury every time he attempted to move...

If Shiva was able to beat him, that sounds like a sloppy retcon, because there's no reason Superman should have missed after the first time if he was merely underestimating him. And he did make more than a single attempt..