Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
We've seen him digging a trench at super speed, seeming to appear everywhere in combat e.t.c e.t.c.

So he ceretainly does have super speed. The question is if its speed on Spiderman's level, or speed on classic quicksilver's level. I admit theres little evidence to support the latter (without the aid of Mjolnir that is).

there is more instance of him not having superspeed..everyone know Thor doesn't have superspeed..he's faster than a human that's for sure..but if he's not at least quicksilver's level..i don't call that superspeed..

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
He has on panel feats wherein Thor was able to react and counter such speeds.

and the last part, dear lord... yes, this is a forum, and we base a character's abilities base on their on panel feats in "comics". So yeah, if Thor can do those shit in a comic, he sure as hell is capable of doing it in a forum fight.

nope..in comic sure..there's pis..here on KMC..he won't even tag Supes or Flash..they are way too fast for him..flash and supes was talking in a diner while everyone is standing still..u know how fast that is..Thor can't hit that level of speed..he doesn't have that kinda speed..

If someone post a ft of Thor fighting someone who is blitzing him and Thor is actually keeping up with this person, I think it would end this debate. I honestly don't think comic characters, minus Flash, Zoom, etc, fight at super speed when its two people that is pitted against each other. Example, if Gladiator and Supes fought, I can't see this fight happening at super speed at all because the characters are use to fighting in the same fashion so much, consistently that its just not within their ability ...imo...to perform such a task...seems like it is always performed against beings that are much slower than them. Moral, this thread is pointless until someone show the characters in question that is brought up in this thread against Thor fighting at continuous super speed (minus the flash).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
ok...im in a debating mood so i will play. I understand the baseball analogy but it does not fit in this scenario, because it takes less action and timing to scounter something that close when u have comparable speed.

Now. Thor has never had an issue dealing with DC level speedsters and on average does better than they would against him (Gladiator, Hyperion, Nefaria, Norrin, Sentry) , all the aforementioned have demonstrated the ability to speedblitz in DC fashion yet all have failed in there numerous fight against Thor to use it, with the exception of Kallark who loss tould be argued as PIS. That being said it is completely feasible that he would be able to deal with a blitz from Clark, Diana, or Barry.

I mean in a traditional sense no he isn't a "normal blitzer" simply because thats not his style and despite this he has been shown to catch/match speed gods (Hermes, Cabal, Zefar) as well as run-of-the-mill speedsters like Quicksilver.

Also many a naysayer will use the argument that it is not Odinson who accomplishes the feats, ie FTL space travel while dodging asteroids, the lava trench feat, parrying bullets/laser, blocking Phoenix psi-blast, Nefarias HV, etc..the will say it is all Mjolnir. Well le me go ahead and nip that argument in the bud.

It has been firmly established as canon that Mjolnir is just a representation of Thors' power. That "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor", NOT the other way around. Mjolnir is just a conduit for his abilities. Take the Celestial incident when Exitars dome was shattered (and mjolnir destroyed) as a result of the Godly energies poured from Thors being. That proves that his abilities are inherent, i mean the inscription on the side speaks for itself. Thor controls the hammer it is an extension of his innate abilities..say for example a rock (or multiple rocks) is thrown at ftl speed..it is his perception, his reflexes that fend off the attack. Mjolnir is not sentient, it is not a lantern ring, super computer, or a navigation system and there is nothing to suggest that. It is no different that WW lasso yet no one debates her ability.

At the end of the day he has fought and won the majority/looked superior in every battle with every superman clone marvel has to offer and superspeed never caused an issue

First, I never referred to Mjolnir doing the responding and not Thor. So you wasted precious time even writing about that.

Second, my baseball analogy works perfectly. When something is close then you have less time to respond. When something is moving in a predictable pattern (like a straight line) then you can be more accurate.

Third, there's the case of street levelers in comics consistently blocking or batting away lasers and energy beams. Now I'm not a proponent of this argument as I accept that Thor can block straight light speed attacks from 30 or so feet away.

Fourth, speed in itself is meaningless. The key ingredients are speed, distance, and path. You can give all the analogies of dodging meteors in space when distances are already vast. For example, I, a mere human, can dodge the Sun if I traveled at light speed towards it. It would take me 8 minutes to invoke a change in direction.

Finally, doing well in comics against beings who are very fast doesn't automatically grant you superspeed. This is because the fast character wasn't using superspeed when you got the better of them. Or you were never shown to defend against a top level blitz against them. Otherwise, Hulk, Juggs, Grundy, etc. would all have grade A superspeed now wouldn't they?

P.S. IMO I'm glad Thor doesn't have grade A superspeed as that would make him too powerful. He would definitely be trans level minimum.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
by that description a lantern ring is quasi-sentient...which it is not

Originally posted by Newjak
People act like Thor can not deal with speed at all.

Even recently Thor finished off Quicksilver with ease, the same guy who was bragging about dodging lightning like it was nothing. Thor handled him and his speed very well. Yeah I know it wasn't in the context of QS speedblitzing him, but Thor was able to get QS on his back and pinned down and did it with what appeared to be little trouble.

Now do I think Thor would be able to out punch a Superman no but at the same point Thor isn't limited to just using his fists to counter a speedblitz and I think his reactions and perceptions are more than up to the challenge.

The way he defeated Quicksilver was odd.

He had to ground pound to make him trip. But the thing is, even if its an AOE attack, sort of, the shockwaves would still not move anywhere near as fast as lightning is supposed to.

It was basically just stupidity on QS' part.

Still, Thor has good reactions. He is still clearly at least super to low-end hypersonic. He can block bullets and even catch tank shells, both of which require at least supersonic reflexes from the distance that he did it.

But he's not reacting to a high end blitz.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
there is more instance of him not having superspeed..everyone know Thor doesn't have superspeed..he's faster than a human that's for sure..but if he's not at least quicksilver's level..i don't call that superspeed..

Mute point about how often he's displayed it. If he's shown superhuman speed more than once then he has it. Superhuman speed is speed faster than a human is capable of as far as I have have always understood the term, which Thor has displayed on several occasions.

However being an actual speedster is something different. I dnt think anyone is disagreeing that Thor is not close to quicksilver's level of speed. Quicksilver obviously is a speedster.

But on the topic of can Thor react to a speedblitz, Id say yes, (but he may take a bit of a beating first depending on just how fast the speedster is).

He's shown the reflexes/reactions and perceptions of a speedster (though not the movement), and has lightspeed energy based attacks to hit back with.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The way he defeated Quicksilver was odd.

He had to ground pound to make him trip. But the thing is, even if its an AOE attack, sort of, the shockwaves would still not move anywhere near as fast as lightning is supposed to.

But the IIRC it was a single Lightning strike, whilst the shockwave was closer to being multidirectional.

If that didnt work an omni-blast would certainly do the trick.

Thor clearly showed there he can hit a speedster. He's shown he can react to them, and then use an array of different powers to hit them.

I agree with the whole "if he doesn't show a power all the time then he doesn't have it" idiocy. How many powers do guys like Thor and Silver Surfer have, anyway? A ****ton, do you really expect writers to have them use every single one of their powers every time they fight?

Responding to a speedblitz, the only way he knows how:

^ Yeah the spinning Mjolnir real fast thing which pro-speedster guys usually dismiss as anything useful against a speedster.

Looking at the pic I think its obvious if Thor was doing that it wouldn't be the easiest thing to blitz him.

What should stop someone like Flash to run behind him and kick his balls?

^ Ok Flash is the fastest of the fastest. But if we are talking speedsters in general, it at the least would make their movements a lot more predictable.

And we already know Thor can block/deflect Light speed attacks coming in a predictable line.

Or he could just have lightning blasts or a tornado covering his back. But yeah in the end it all comes down to his versatility.

By the way there is an issue of Avengers where Thor was able to see Hermes but other characters like Cap and Black Knight couldn't. It's been awhile so I could be wrong, but that would be concrete evidence that Thor is above street level.

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This is as close to a blitz that I currently have lying around on my hdd

Thor was able to react while being driven into the ground by Gladiator and what looks like Gladiator punching Thor every panel

^ Jesus Christ thats not a speedblitz facepalm

Meh...its hard for me to determine as the first two panels look like hes either trying to punch him or bull rushing him...

either way Thor caught him monologing

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Jesus Christ thats not a speedblitz facepalm

regardless if Gladiator was punching Thor or not, using Thor as a ram and plowing the ground downward would mean that Thor was continuously being hit which would equate to some sort of blitz.

Problem here is you're too close minded to see it. And I'm not surprised as majority of the posters in KMC are blind closeminded fanboys.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
regardless if Gladiator was punching Thor or not, using Thor as a ram and plowing the ground downward would mean that Thor was continuously being hit which would equate to some sort of blitz.

Problem here is you're too close minded to see it. And I'm not surprised as majority of the posters in KMC are blind closeminded fanboys.

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Jesus Christ thats not a speedblitz facepalm

And please, do not post that speedblitz against an Imperiex Probe... because if you look at it, that Imperiex Probe basically no-sold that speedblitz and Superman had to resort to pure unfettered power to defeat it. That's probably the most embarrassing example of a speedblitz that you could cite: one that was no-sold by a phucking second or third-rate minion of a villain. Might as well cite to a feat over a Doombot.

Yeah, let's see what this Superman speedblitz is all about that makes it well beyond what Thor could possibly have encountered for all the naysayers. In other words, the shoe's on the other foot: stop begging the question and demanding the highest feats and the highest level of speed Thor could possibly counter... turn around and show us what kind of Superman assault Thor could never possibly tank/counter.

By all means, please show us. This isn't aimed at Deadline only; the rest of you, post examples. This also has nothing to do with Superman Thor-related butthurt.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your bewilderment evinces a shocking disbelief at the example posted. So what exactly was the "Superman speedblitz" in your mind? Anybody have an example?

And please, do not post that speedblitz against an Imperiex Probe... because if you look at it, that Imperiex Probe basically no-sold that speedblitz and Superman had to resort to pure unfettered power to defeat it. That's probably the most embarrassing example of a speedblitz that you could cite: one that was no-sold by a phucking second or third-rate minion of a villain. Might as well cite to a feat over a Doombot.

Yeah, let's see what this Superman speedblitz is all about that makes it well beyond what Thor could possibly have encountered for all the naysayers. In other words, the shoe's on the other foot: stop begging the question and demanding the highest feats and the highest level of speed Thor could possibly counter... turn around and show us what kind of Superman assault Thor could never possibly tank/counter.

By all means, please show us. This isn't aimed at Deadline only; the rest of you, post examples. This also has nothing to do with Superman Thor-related butthurt.

Trust me...no one will post a ft. H1 might come in here and calculate something without showing a scan but besides that...nothing will be displayed.