CISless Thor and Surfer vs. CIS Thanos

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Surfer has never been a threat to Thanos at all and it took everything Thor had and he still couldn't take down a weaker clone of Thanos. I personally don't see the team winning here.

Surfer fights Thanos both with CIS on and very stupidly given what he is capable of in actual comicbooks; I imagine a CIS-less Surfer fighting Thanos very "cheese-ily."

Afterall, why engage Thanos directly when you really dont have to?

He could just systematically fly around Thanos's immediate vicinty at superluminal velocity turning object after object into a black hole...eventually Thanos would be trapped by a gravity well and Surfer wins easily via BFR without ever once coming within Thanos's ability to strike him.

So I say again, comicbook history would mean nothing against a CIS'less Surfer; a CIS-less Surfer could actually use his abilities creatively instead of just flying right up to Thanos so Thanos can beat him to death...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Surfer fights Thanos both with CIS on and very stupidly given what he is capable of in actual comicbooks; I imagine a CIS-less Surfer fighting Thanos very "cheese-ily."

Afterall, why engage Thanos directly when you really dont have to?

He could just systematically fly around Thanos's immediate vicinty at superluminal velocity turning object after object into a black hole...eventually Thanos would be trapped by a gravity well and Surfer wins easily via BFR without ever once coming within Thanos's ability to strike him.

So I say again, comicbook history would mean nothing against a CIS'less Surfer; a CIS-less Surfer could actually use his abilities creatively instead of just flying right up to Thanos so Thanos can beat him to death...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fallen One tried speed he couldn't do a thing.

Fallen One didnt fly around systematically turning the environment into black holes either; Surfer in this senario could (and definitely would if I am in control of him)...

Surfer could perform the same constant travel at superluminal speed without ever actually getting close to Thanos tactic, but instead of creating black holes, systematically transmute all available matter into antimatter; Thanos would be blown to bits without ever getting the chance to fight back...

And I am just scratching the surface of all the creative things Surfer could do with his powerset without ever actually having to face Thanos directly...

Thanos cant win...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Fallen One didnt fly around systematically turning the environment into black holes either; Surfer in this senario could (and definitely would if I am in control of him)...

Surfer could perform the same constant travel at superluminal speed without ever actually getting close to Thanos tactic, but instead of creating black holes, systematically transmute all available matter into antimatter; Thanos would be blown to bits without ever getting the chance to fight back...

And I am just scratching the surface of all the creative things Surfer could do with his powerset without ever actually having to face Thanos directly...

Thanos cant win...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shields. He can't touch Thanos if he doesn't want him to. Thanos also laughs off Surfer's attacks whereas the Surfer isn't in Thanos' league by any means.

And if Surfer transmutes a portion of those shields into anti-matter (thereby causing a massive explosion with the normal matter portion of the shielding)?

Afterall, those shields are composed of particles and all particles have an anti-particle; Thanos cant hide behind shields against a CIS-less Surfer...

Thanos's shields end up harming him instead of helping him in this senario...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And if Surfer transmutes a portion of those shields into anti-matter (thereby causing a massive explosion with the normal matter portion of the shielding)?

Afterall, those shields are composed of particles and all particles have an anti-particle; Thanos cant hide behind shields against a CIS-less Surfer...

Thanos's shields end up harming him instead of helping him in this senario...

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Galactus can't do so and needed to break through by sheer force and he gave the Surfer his powers what makes you think the Surfer can. You are just making things up and ignoring the comics. Doom has made tech to steal his powers before. Quit making things up and ignoring the comics.

I am not ignoring comics; I am ignoring CIS as the OP dictates...

Without CIS and comicbook stupidity (ie...using physical force as a solution to most problems), Galactus could have gotten to Thanos through his shielding the exactly same way I describe the Surfer doing so...

Galactus would have a far easier time, though, as his matter/energy manip is far, far, greater than the Surfer's; a CIS-less Galactus could just transmute half of Thanos's body (along with half of his shielding) into anti-matter so that it completely annihilates itself...

But I digress; Thanos cant even defend himself (let alone fight back) against a CIS-less Silver Surfer...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I am not ignoring comics; I am ignoring CIS as the OP dictates...

Without CIS and comicbook stupidity (ie...using physical force as a solution to most problems), Galactus could have gotten to Thanos through his shielding the exactly same way I describe the Surfer doing so...

Galactus would have a far easier time, though, as his matter/energy manip is far, far, greater than the Surfer's; a CIS-less Galactus could just transmute half of Thanos's body (along with half of his shielding) into anti-matter so that it completely annihilates itself...

But I digress; Thanos cant even defend himself (let alone fight back) against a CIS-less Silver Surfer...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Surfer fights Thanos both with CIS on and very stupidly given what he is capable of in actual comicbooks; I imagine a CIS-less Surfer fighting Thanos very "cheese-ily."

Afterall, why engage Thanos directly when you really dont have to?

He could just systematically fly around Thanos's immediate vicinty at superluminal velocity turning object after object into a black hole...eventually Thanos would be trapped by a gravity well and Surfer wins easily via BFR without ever once coming within Thanos's ability to strike him.

So I say again, comicbook history would mean nothing against a CIS'less Surfer; a CIS-less Surfer could actually use his abilities creatively instead of just flying right up to Thanos so Thanos can beat him to death...

Cis less Thanos...omni blast with shields up end of story.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Cis less Thanos...omni blast with shields up end of story.

Omni-blast against someone who moves at Superluminal speeds eh? Unless you have proof that Thanos's omni-blasts move FTL, then they'll never touch a being that can move many, many, times the speed of light...

Those shields are easily defeated via transmutation as well...

But I waste my time; TDF members are seemingly forming a perimeter around their beloved leader, and so, all arguments that dont fall in line with "Thanos wins" are ignored...

😂

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
[B]Omni-blast against someone who moves at Superluminal speeds eh? Unless you have proof that Thanos's omni-blasts move FTL, then they'll never touch a being that can move many, many, times the speed of light...

Those shields are easily defeated via transmutation as well...

But I waste my time; TDF members are seemingly forming a perimeter around their beloved leader, and so, all arguments that dont fall in line with "Thanos wins" are ignored...

😂

Originally posted by Nihilist
Seeing as Thanos has tagged people moving at ftl speeds and his Omni blasts cover a vast area... you do know cis less is not cbr/power set debating right.

Gimme some proof to back that up, seeing as Thanos can transmute and matter manip seeing as we are going cis less.

*sigh* butthurt kid strikes again facepalm

Take that purple wang out of your mouth child or else we are going to throw Thanos in jail for molestation!

😂

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Take that purple wang out of your mouth child or else we are going to throw Thanos in jail for molestation!

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you can't say that's the writer's intent since the blast was never drawn. It had the same end effect meaning imprisoning someone in pure force block but he didn't have the gun on him. You are so bad at this sometimes. By sometimes I mean all the time.

It makes no sense that Thanos can forceblock someone without shooting them with a blast as he shown before. It contradicts Thanos entire history of having blasts come from his hands pointing or his eyes. What can now just wish it to appear around someone? The writer clearly wanted the reader to remember the incident with Thor (which was a blast) as why Odin said what he said.

I dare you to argue that Thanos can forceblock anyone without ever having to shoot a blast at them (wishing it on them) with the other posters (especially the mods).

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Surfer has never been a threat to Thanos at all and it took everything Thor had and he still couldn't take down a weaker clone of Thanos. I personally don't see the team winning here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shields. He can't touch Thanos if he doesn't want him to. Thanos also laughs off Surfer's attacks whereas the Surfer isn't in Thanos' league by any means.

Originally posted by h1a8
The clone was more powerful than Thanos himself. Plus you are going off comic characters and not CIS off characters. Surfer blackholing in his brain or sending the board a million C vertically at Thanos' head is sufficient. Thor is overkill here.

Of course he can. Surfer just phases into Thanos shield and voila, an instant black hole. Also the first fight Thanos fights in character, that means he will not have the shields up all the time.

Originally posted by h1a8
The clone was more powerful than Thanos himself. Plus you are going off comic characters and not CIS off characters. Surfer blackholing in his brain or sending the board a million C vertically at Thanos' head is sufficient. Thor is overkill here.

Of course he can. Surfer just phases into Thanos shield and voila, an instant black hole. Also the first fight Thanos fights in character, that means he will not have the shields up all the time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Seeing as Thanos has tagged people moving at ftl speeds and his Omni blasts cover a vast area... you do know cis less is not cbr/power set debating right.

Gimme some proof to back that up, seeing as Thanos can transmute and matter manip seeing as we are going cis less.

*sigh* butthurt kid strikes again facepalm

Prove that Thanos tagged people moving at ftl speeds before. And don't say Fallen One since he can't reach light speed within the first 3 meters of travel.

Omniblasts would do him no good since Surfer has shields and can phase and Thor can block or absorb the blast.

Originally posted by h1a8
The clone was more powerful than Thanos himself. Plus you are going off comic characters and not CIS off characters. Surfer blackholing in his brain or sending the board a million C vertically at Thanos' head is sufficient. Thor is overkill here.

Of course he can. Surfer just phases into Thanos shield and voila, an instant black hole. Also the first fight Thanos fights in character, that means he will not have the shields up all the time.

What do you think CIS off means, exactly?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus needed to break through with sheer force. Galactus is a lot more powerful and is the supplier of the power cosmic. You just make things up in your head.

So? What does that got to do with what I said?