Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So LordofM.. believes that even though Surfer fired a NON HOLDING BACK BLAST POINT BLANK AT THANOS...at which point Thanos just laughs as it doesn't even budge or make him blink.. Yet now, he'll suddenly become more powerful and manage to actually defeat him... Interesting logic.
I definitely believe Surfer absolutely annihilates Thanos (as well as 99.9% of the beings beneath Skyfather) if he uses his powers creatively...
Surfer doesnt have to directly attack nor even get close to Thanos to defeat him; you are thinking about how the fight would go down using comicbook stupidity which almost involves winning fights with brute force (via punching or directly blasting someone)...
Surfer can defeat Thanos very easily if he actually uses his head; which is precisely what I imagine a CIS-less Surfer doing...
The superluminal flight, plus transmutation or black hole creation are tactics that Thanos has no answer for; the sheer amount of creative tactics available for a CIS-less Surfer are only limited by his creatively given his powerset...
Thanos has no prayer against a CIS-less Surfer...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI can't take anyone seriously that ignores the comic book fights and the comparisons. You just imagine things in your head.
I definitely believe Surfer absolutely annihilates Thanos (as well as 99.9% of the beings beneath Skyfather) if he uses his powers creatively...Surfer doesnt have to directly attack nor even get close to Thanos to defeat him; you are thinking about how the fight would go down using comicbook stupidity which almost involves winning fights with brute force (via punching or directly blasting someone)...
Surfer can defeat Thanos very easily if he actually uses his head; which is precisely what I imagine a CIS-less Surfer doing...
The superluminal flight, plus transmutation or black hole creation are tactics that Thanos has no answer for; the sheer amount of creative tactics available for a CIS-less Surfer are only limited by his creatively given his powerset...
Thanos has no prayer against a CIS-less Surfer...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I definitely believe Surfer absolutely annihilates Thanos (as well as 99.9% of the beings beneath Skyfather) if he uses his powers creatively...Surfer doesnt have to directly attack nor even get close to Thanos to defeat him; you are thinking about how the fight would go down using comicbook stupidity which almost involves winning fights with brute force (via punching or directly blasting someone)...
Surfer can defeat Thanos very easily if he actually uses his head; which is precisely what I imagine a CIS-less Surfer doing...
The superluminal flight, plus transmutation or black hole creation are tactics that Thanos has no answer for; the sheer amount of creative tactics available for a CIS-less Surfer are only limited by his creatively given his powerset...
Thanos has no prayer against a CIS-less Surfer...
You mean other than being more powerful than Surfer and being almost just as versatile. You do realize that Thanos, being an Eternal, is very versatile. That versatility plus being considerably more powerful than Surfer, makes up for any slight versatility advantage surfer might have.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Omni-blast against someone who moves at Superluminal speeds eh? Unless you have proof that Thanos's omni-blasts move FTL, then they'll never touch a being that can move many, many, times the speed of light...Those shields are easily defeated via transmutation as well...
But I waste my time; TDF members are seemingly forming a perimeter around their beloved leader, and so, all arguments that dont fall in line with "Thanos wins" are ignored...
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Who the **** cares if surfer is faster then thanos. It never does him any good man. And as powerful as thor is thanos is noted for his AMAZING durability and resistance's to everything. What is surfer going to do? speedblitz thanos with energy attacks? his energy attacks never do anything to thanos. Team loses.
Originally posted by zeel
Who the **** cares if surfer is faster then thanos. It never does him any good man. And as powerful as thor is thanos is noted for his AMAZING durability and resistance's to everything. What is surfer going to do? speedblitz thanos with energy attacks? his energy attacks never do anything to thanos. Team loses.
What can Surfer to do Thanos?
LoL...
Attempt to divorce your mind from the vast amount of comicbook stupidity that takes place and really think about Surfers powerset; he has countless options for dealing with Thanos, and wouldnt have to get close to or engage Thanos directly to do so...
Superluminal flight (at a safe distance) + Using his matter manipulation to transmute all available matter in the area (including Thanos's costume and Force Fields) into anti-matter= Auto win against Thanos...and there isnt a dam thing he could do to stop it.
He couldnt even counter this with Transmutation of his own as the instant matter is turned into anti-matter, it will annihilate regular matter on contact...and since Thanos's Force Field and costume is exceedingly close to Thanos...well, you get the idea.
Dude, turn off the PIS writting that is clouding your logic; this is a CIS-less Surfer we are talking about here...
A CIS-less Surfer wont ignore his speed advantage, move within arms length of Thanos, and allow Thanos to beat him to death...
Originally posted by NihilistAre you serious dood? That doesn't mean anything. A bullet is out of sight once it's shot and a bullet doesn't even travel 0.00000001% of the speed of light.
Read the damn comic, its Fallen One was out of sight when flying in space within the same distance he attacked Thanos
Prove it. And please slow down on the bashing. Ok?STFU with your excuses, you lied plain and simple its what you do.
Of course it was SHOWN that he stopped her attack easily. This is a fact.
Sorry to shatter your world, your opinion isnt fact, it was shown on panel that he didnt stop her attack easy.
False statement. Surfer wasn't trying to defend against a blitz since they were talking.He was prepared stop trolling, both times Surfer and Ganymede were arguing/ready to throw down.
No it doesn't prove it, even if Surfer was paying attention and carefully watching out for the initial blitz. Otherwise, the implication would apply to all instances in comics (and not the one's of your choice). For example, Spidey blitzing Thor means that spidey was moving ftl since it is known that Thor has light speed reflexes.So her moving at speeds Surfer cant stop whilst been hit over and over and over again at speeds faster than light travels.. isnt ftl speed 😂
Disregarding the problem with using clones to an exotic feat I must ask Scans? Issue numbers?A weaker Thanos clone hit Vision whilst he was intangaible, so a more powerful Thanos wont have a problem Based on what? You have no proof of Surfer phasing through any blasts to say he can do so against firepower of Thanos lvl
The clone was more powerful and the belt of strength or Odin's armor had nothing to do with Mjolnir absorbing the blast. Now you are making stuff up (like I have in the past).Like who against, and if you knew anything the doppleganger clone wasnt more powerful, the chailce only allowed the clone to control certain energy plus Thor had the belt of strength and was wearing Odin powered armor to aid him.
It means that his omni blast are as powerful if not nore than his regular blast, which his regular blasts didnt do anything like that kind of damage when fighting the Maker proving your bs theory about singular blast are stronger than omni blasts. Who gives a shit
Still doesn't prove it. In comics, most things are variable. Otherwise Superman wouldn't got koed by a gas station. Writer's aren't thinking I will have the omniblast do damage and make sure the single blast doesn't in order to purposely show that the omniblast is more powerful than a regular blast. You are making stuff up again. I know it's a habit when one is biased towards a certain character so I understand.
I want the issue number since the scan isn't clear. It could be you are posting something out of context like so many here has done. I look up the issue and get back.How is it a bs non clear feat(cant wait to hear what shit you come up with) More Trolling, Thanos is facing the Avengers and Warlock confronts him, Thanos then kills him with a blast released from his whole body that covers a wide range that isnt aimed in a certain direction. If you need the issue number to see the feat, then why are you making shit up about "not seeing a omni directional blast" and "not being a clear feat for Thanos"
Avengers 2in1 #2
Do you just lowball and lie as some sort of auto feature within your brain!
Prove that I lowballed in this thread and lied. I dare you.
Surfer alone can beat Thanos in a CISless fight in many different ways. We can't go by Surfer's confrontations against Thanos in comics in general since that was a Surfer in character (or Surfer not fighting to the best of his abilities as he has shown before).
Also, being twice as powerful as a character doesn't mean you can beat two of them at the same time. The power gap isn't a direct function of the number of characters you face. Thanos would have a hard time stopping two attacks simultaneously or attacking one character when the other is covering them.
Actually that IS what we go by first and foremore H1.. Sorry bud that is how it goes and that little word we call Canon. Canon comic book fights are exponentionally worth more than your fantasy version of how you THINK they would fight. You do understand the distinction there right? Comic books and the canon showings of characters count more than your view on a character right?
LOL and LordofMurder saying Surfer will transmute THanos LOL.. You do understand that Thanos HAS TOTAL MOLECULAR CONTROL OVER HIS BODY. He's tranmutted a Skrull before with ease. Surfer would've have a prayer of transmuting Thanos. Thanos is just plain more powerful than Surfer in virtually every way.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually that IS what we go by first and foremore H1.. Sorry bud that is how it goes and that little word we call Canon. Canon comic book fights are exponentionally worth more than your fantasy version of how you THINK they would fight. You do understand the distinction there right? Comic books and the canon showings of characters count more than your view on a character right?LOL and LordofMurder saying Surfer will transmute THanos LOL.. You do understand that Thanos HAS TOTAL MOLECULAR CONTROL OVER HIS BODY. He's tranmutted a Skrull before with ease. Surfer would've have a prayer of transmuting Thanos. Thanos is just plain more powerful than Surfer in virtually every way.
Reading comprehension Sir Thanosi!!!
Throughout my entire argument I never once stated that Surfer would directly attack Thanos...not once.
The transmutation would be aimed at Thanos's costume and his shielding...not directly at him; I clearly wrote this...did you not read it?
Once again, given the vast creative options available to him, Surfer doesnt have to directly attack at all to win...
Sure Thanos has more raw power than Surfer, but Surfers versatility completely negates Thanos's superior power and renders it meaningless...
Thanos cant beat a CIS-less Surfer; Thanos would never get the opportunity to lay a glove on him...
Tell me, has Thanos ever demostrated the ability to see his opponents from a lightyear away? Surfer has...
That ability alone combined with the ability to travel at superluminal speed is a huge, huge, advantage for Surfer if you mix in some creativity; look up Surfers complete powerset...and then think about some of the clever things he can do to Thanos without ever getting close to him.
Thanos cant win this fight if Surfer doesnt adhere to comicbook stupidity...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThanos has sensed someone from another timeline/dimension.
Tell me, has Thanos ever demostrated the ability to see his opponents from a lightyear away? Surfer has...That ability alone combined with the ability to travel at superluminal speed is a huge, huge, advantage for Surfer if you mix in some creativity; look up Surfers complete powerset...and then think about some of the clever things he can do to Thanos without ever getting close to him.
Thanos cant win this fight if Surfer doesnt adhere to comicbook stupidity...
You do know Thanos has as many if not more offensive powers as Surfer dont you.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos has sensed someone from another timeline/dimension.You do know Thanos has as many if not more offensive powers as Surfer dont you.
So Thanos has never demostrated the ability to see his opponents from a light year away then; concession accepted...
Thanos's offensive options would be meaningless against a CIS-less Surfer as he'd never get the chance to use them...
A CIS-less Surfer can run circles around Thanos all day just like the Runner did and since Surfer can move many, many, times the speed of light, he could evade an omniblast very easily (unless you can prove otherwise, Thanos's energy output is limited to traveling at "c"😉.
Surfer doesnt have to directly engage Thanos at all to beat him...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderLOL you fail he doesnt even have to see them to know the are there.
[B]So Thanos has never demostrated the ability to see his opponents from a light year away then; concession accepted...
Thanos's offensive options would be meaningless against a CIS-less Surfer as he'd never get the chance to use them...Yeah right because Surfer using his speed firing blasts that have no effect on Thanos are gonna do what 😂 nothing
A CIS-less Surfer can run circles around Thanos all day just like the Runner did and since Surfer can move many, many, times the speed of light, he could evade an omniblast very easily (unless you can prove otherwise, Thanos's energy output is limited to traveling at "c"😉.Runner had the space gem and was moving space aswell as going over ftl speeds, Surfer doesnt have that kind over power.
How does he evade omniblasts that cover a vast area, the only way he would get through to Thanos is by getting close, so hed have to go through the energy field to get to Thanos as omni blasts surround Thanos.
Surfer doesnt have to directly engage Thanos at all to beat him...Thats his best bet as nothing else he has will work.
Originally posted by Nihilist
LOL you fail he doesnt even have to see them to know the are there.Yeah right because Surfer using his speed firing blasts that have no effect on Thanos are gonna do what 😂 nothing
Runner had the space gem and was moving space aswell as going over ftl speeds, Surfer doesnt have that kind over power.
How does he evade omniblasts that cover a vast area, the only way he would get through to Thanos is by getting close, so hed have to go through the energy field to get to Thanos as omni blasts surround Thanos.
Thats his best bet as nothing else he has will work.
Ok...please attempt to comprehend this; Surfer doesnt have to attack Thanos directly...so he wont even attempt to blast at his as he doesnt have to at all.
Open your mind; there are alot of ways to beat someone that dont involve directly attacking someone...comicbook stupidity trains us to think this is typically the only way to beat someone, but if we are going CIS-less and PIS-less (standard forum rule), characters like Thor and Surfer dont have to directly attack most of their opponents to secure a win.
So what if the Space Gem effectively made the Runner faster than normal...
Surfer can move at many times the speed of light, and so he can easily evade something (such as energy blasts directed against him) with ease...especially since there is no PIS (and PIS would be required for something moving at "c" to hit a moving target traveling at many times "c"😉 in a forum fight.
Imagine The Surfer positioning himself (literally) 10 million miles away from Thanos and flying in huge circles around him; Surfer can cover the entire circle in an instant (especially considering how fast he covered the light year distance between himself and Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet arc)...
Surfer could then make trips from one point in the cicle to another (cutting across the circle) which would bring him within (perhaps) 100 miles or so of Thanos's position (remember, Surfer would be able to clearly see Thanos the entire time), turn some random object into a black hole and continue to the other side of the circle...
Surfer could do that over and over again until Thanos gets captured in a gravity well, and Thanos's energy blasts would never reach Surfer as they are way too slow to ever catch up with him...
If Thanos repositions himself, Surfer could simply reposition himself as well and the tactic contines until Thanos is defeated...
Of course, in my honest opinion, not many characters beneath a Skyfather can fight back against (let alone beat) a CIS-less Surfer...
The Runner could beat a CIS-less Surfer as could Uatu, but the list is very short indeed...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderlulzYeah like thats gonna do anything to beat Thanos, seriously 😂
Ok...please attempt to comprehend this; Surfer doesnt have to attack Thanos directly...so he wont even attempt to blast at his as he doesnt have to at all.Open your mind; there are alot of ways to beat someone that dont involve directly attacking someone...comicbook stupidity trains us to think this is typically the only way to beat someone, but if we are going CIS-less and PIS-less (standard forum rule), characters like Thor and Surfer dont have to directly attack most of their opponents to secure a win.
So what if the Space Gem effectively made the Runner faster than normal...
Surfer can move at many times the speed of light, and so he can easily evade something (such as energy blasts directed against him) with ease...especially since there is no PIS (and PIS would be required for something moving at "c" to hit a moving target traveling at many times "c"😉 in a forum fight.
Imagine The Surfer positioning himself (literally) 10 million miles away from Thanos and flying in huge circles around him; Surfer can cover the entire circle in an instant (especially considering how fast he covered the light year distance between himself and Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet arc)...
Surfer could then make trips from one point in the cicle to another (cutting across the circle) which would bring him within (perhaps) 100 miles or so of Thanos's position (remember, Surfer would be able to clearly see Thanos the entire time), turn some random object into a black hole and continue to the other side of the circle...
Surfer could do that over and over again until Thanos gets captured in a gravity well, and Thanos's energy blasts would never reach Surfer as they are way too slow to ever catch up with him...
If Thanos repositions himself, Surfer could simply reposition himself as well and the tactic contines until Thanos is defeated...
Of course, in my honest opinion, not many characters beneath a Skyfather can fight back against (let alone beat) a CIS-less Surfer...
The Runner could beat a CIS-less Surfer as could Uatu, but the list is very short indeed...