CISless Thor and Surfer vs. CIS Thanos

Originally posted by -Pr-
What do you think CIS off means, exactly?

It means a character isn't limited to their natural way of fighting. Thor would go exotic quicker than starting with a warrior's bash, Superman would go straight speed from the get go, Surfer would use his exotic powers more often, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
It means a character isn't limited to their natural way of fighting. Thor would go exotic quicker than starting with a warrior's bash, Superman would go straight speed from the get go, Surfer would use his exotic powers more often, etc.

It means that they would be more willing to cut loose and possibly maim/kill.

They don't suddenly become more adept with their powers. They still fight in-character, just without inhibitions, as contradictory as that might sound.

Originally posted by h1a8
So? What does that got to do with what I said?

Originally posted by h1a8
It makes no sense that Thanos can forceblock someone without shooting them with a blast as he shown before. It contradicts Thanos entire history of having blasts come from his hands pointing or his eyes. What can now just wish it to appear around someone? The writer clearly wanted the reader to remember the incident with Thor (which was a blast) as why Odin said what he said.

I dare you to argue that Thanos can forceblock anyone without ever having to shoot a blast at them (wishing it on them) with the other posters (especially the mods).

Originally posted by -Pr-
It means that they would be more willing to cut loose and possibly maim/kill.

They don't suddenly become more adept with their powers. They still fight in-character, just without inhibitions, as contradictory as that might sound.

Well it was the OP intention that they fight using tactics they rarely used before but without inhibitions.

Originally posted by Nihilist
He did it in Marvel The End without firing a blast

I read that but don't remember of what you are talking about. Was this before he become omnipotent or after? Any scans?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That to make the claims you have you need examples regarding Thanos shields.

No I don't. Why would I need examples?

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Prove that Thanos tagged people moving at ftl speeds before. And don't say Fallen One since he can't reach light speed within the first 3 meters of travel.

Omniblasts would do him no good since Surfer has shields and can phase and Thor can block or absorb the blast.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]I read that but don't remember of what you are talking about. Was this before he become omnipotent or after? Any scans?

Find the damn scan yourself as youll only lowball the shit out of it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Fallen one was going ftl speeds as he was flying round space the exact same way and youre absolute bullshit real world calculation dont apply to comic logic as there is no logic in comic where guys can fly in space. Plus Thanos tagged Ganymede who was blitzing Surfer and Tyrants robots at ftl speeds.

This is cis less, Thanos would fire his strongest blasts which Thor or Surfer would go down from leaving it 1 v 1.

Prove that Ganymede was blitzing at ftl speeds. And show that it is relevant to reacting to a ftl attack from 5 feet away.

How can Thanos put someone down with a blast if they absorb it or block it or phase?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Before he became omnipotent, he did it to Hulk and Namor..and stop lying you havent read the book at all.

Find the damn scan yourself as youll only lowball the shit out of it.

I'm sorry I was debating with several people and lost track of what was been said. I thought you were referring to Thanos tagging ftl movements when you were referring to him forceblocking without shooting a blast. Calm down man, I actually high ball, never low ball (at least these past years I don't).

Well, just because Thanos wasn't shown to shoot a blast doesn't mean he didn't in the writer's mind. In story telling, it is not a good idea to show all the details of trivial matters. It's called editing.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]You must prove that fallen one was going at ftl speeds when it has been shown countless times that acceleration in comics does exist. Surfer has been clock several times to reach light speed after a certain distance of travel.

Prove that Ganymede was blitzing at ftl speeds. And show that it is relevant to reacting to a ftl attack from 5 feet away.

How can Thanos put someone down with a blast if they absorb it or block it or phase?

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]I'm sorry I was debating with several people and lost track of what was been said. I thought you were referring to Thanos tagging ftl movements when you were referring to him forceblocking without shooting a blast. Calm down man, I actually high ball, never low ball (at least these past years I don't).

Its all youre known for is lowballin shit if you cant counter it, that and bullshit calculations.

Well, just because Thanos wasn't shown to shoot a blast doesn't mean he didn't in the writer's mind. In story telling, it is not a good idea to show all the details of trivial matters. It's called editing.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You show me any time this bullshit theory of yours have ever been shown in comics, seriously 1 time.

She was moving at speeds Surfer couldnt react too, you do know how close she was when attacking Surfer and Tyrant bots dont you? my mistake you dont have a clue

Because Surfer wont phase through it as Thanos blast are greater than Surfers power as shown on panel, plus Thor with PG was struggling to Absorb/block a regular blast from Thanos.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Another lie, you even quoted me asking me about Marvel The End claiming you had even read the story.

Its all youre known for is lowballin shit if you cant counter it, that and bullshit calculations.

Youre bullshit excuses get worse, it was the same damn writer who wrote all 3 force block showing.

I promise you I don't lie. I made a mistake and got confused of what you were saying. I didn't pay attention to my text you were quoting. I just saw your reply and assumed you were talking about something else. I may be wrong or ignorant at times but never do I purposely tell false things in order to deceive. I think most know this.

I don't lowball anyone. I'm quite the opposite actually. I tend to have a character's highest feats in mind when I debate.

Well if it is the same writer then my point is correct. In the writer's mind it was a blast.

Originally posted by h1a8
The clone was more powerful than Thanos himself. Plus you are going off comic characters and not CIS off characters. Surfer blackholing in his brain or sending the board a million C vertically at Thanos' head is sufficient. Thor is overkill here.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]It took Surfer several seconds to reach warp speed when he traveled with Northstar (I think). Reed clocked Surfer to be at light speed after Surfer was more than 10m away. Thor was accelerating from slow speeds to light speed and beyond when he was flying in space with the hammer. Glads was accelerating Hulk into space while Hulk was talking (at least a couple of seconds), etc.

Surfer has been shown not to react to Hulk's punches before. Still doesn't it make it ftl unless Surfer was complaining about the speed. But in the next instance Surfer easily reacted to her blitz.

That means he was caught off guard and wasn't prepared to fight.

Phase= Intangible and blasts=/= intangible.

Also, although I disagree with struggling to absorb, struggling has nothing to do with can't. Plus Thor has far greater absorption feats to say that he can.

Originally posted by Nihilist
And thats it!! still doesnt prove youre bul;shit theory, this is you lowballin agian. Hulks wasnt moving at speeds that were leavin several after images like Ganymede did. And again stop f*ucking lying Surfer never easily reacted to her second attack she danced around hum. Same old lying crap, she confronted him. Ok to settle it show me Surfer phasing/going intangable from blasts of a Thanos lvl guy. FFS Thor was straining(clearly shown on panel) a more powerfull Thor didnt face a full power Thanos blast or even a omni blast.

Evidence towards A and no evidence towards B doesn't mean B is correct. Meaning, we have evidence towards my claim and 0 evidence towards your claim. Also, Lowballing implies that there are higher feats that contradict my claim.

Surfer clearly stopped her blitz. Thus proving he can react to her. Anything else is irrelevant.

Surfer can phase as shown in comics. So why can't he phase in this fight?

Now you are lowballing. Thor has absorption feats that trumps Thanos output. Plus Omnidirectional blasts are weaker than straight blasts. This is because the total energy output is not concentrated on a single small area.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Evidence towards A and no evidence towards B doesn't mean B is correct. Meaning, we have evidence towards my claim and 0 evidence towards your claim. Also, Lowballing implies that there are higher feats that contradict.

Surfer clearly stopped her blitz. Thus proving he can react to her. Anything else is irrelevant.

Surfer can phase as shown in comics. So why can't he phase in this fight?

Now you are lowballing. Thor has absorption feats that trumps Thanos output.

Plus Omnidirectional blasts are weaker than straight blasts. This is because the total energy output is not concentrated on a single small area.

Originally posted by h1a8
I read that but don't remember of what you are talking about. Was this before he become omnipotent or after? Any scans?

No I don't. Why would I need examples?

Originally posted by Nihilist
The evidance was him moving and accelerating at ftl speeds earlier in the comic within the same distance

You said easy, which was ANOTHER lie and he did not stop her blitz at the start, he stopped it mid attack proving her attacks were too quick to deal with at first, it was only her lack of power that allowed Surfer to stop the blitz. And her speed is the issue here NOT her power.

Because he hasnt phased through blasts as powerful as Thanos, it not that hard to understand.

You mean space cheese blast, he hasnt got any absorbing feats from blasts by characters on Thanos lvl, you are only going of explosion n such. even more bullshit..Thanos fire a omni directional blast in the Kyln prison that ripped a section apart, hid regular blasts haven done that. He also killed Adam Warlock with a Omni directional blast when his single blast have failed to do so.

Prove that Fallen One reached light speed or beyond under that same distance he attacked Thanos with.

A lie and a false statement are two different things. The key difference is intent.
IMO, Surfer stopped her blitz easily. Who cares about the after? Surfer wasn't prepared. Also, this is irrelevant because none of it proves she was blitzing at ftl speeds.

How can a reasonable person accept that a blast will hit something that's intangible? That is asinine. At minimum it is far more believable that the blast will go through Surfer like a ghost vs. hit him.

And again, Thor has absorbtion feats beyond Thanos lvl. He absorbed a more powerful doppelgangers blast with ease is more proof.

Damaging a section of the Kyln prison? Ok, what is that supposed to mean?
Superman got koed by a gas station. I guess that gas station is more powerful than a nuclear blast huh.

And you using that bs non clear feat of Thanos against Warlock? Not only do we not see a omnidirectional blast but we don't know the context of the incident. Give me the issue number to the comic so we can better judge the feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because we debate by citing evidence not just making things up. Sheesh.

Making stuff up? You are the one making stuff up with the Thanos can forceblock without shooting a blast or he can hit Surfer when he's intangible with a blast (or was that Nilhisht?). I'm stating stuff that has been shown on panel.

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]Prove that Fallen One reached light speed or beyond under that same distance he attacked Thanos with.

A lie and a false statement are two different things. The key difference is intent.

IMO, Surfer stopped her blitz easily. Who cares about the after?

Surfer wasn't prepared.

Also, this is irrelevant because none of it proves she was blitzing at ftl speeds.

How can a reasonable person accept that a blast will hit something that's intangible?

That is asinine. At minimum it is far more believable that the blast will go through Surfer like a ghost vs. hit him.

And again, Thor has absorbtion feats beyond Thanos lvl. He absorbed a more powerful doppelgangers blast with ease is more proof.

Damaging a section of the Kyln prison? Ok, what is that supposed to mean?

Superman got koed by a gas station. I guess that gas station is more powerful than a nuclear blast huh.

And you using that bs non clear feat of Thanos against Warlock?

Not only do we not see a omnidirectional blast but we don't know the context of the incident.

Give me the issue number to the comic so we can better judge the feat.

Avengers 2in1 #2

Do you just lowball and lie as some sort of auto feature within your brain!