This fight in not that close, at all. The Anakin that fought Dooku the way its seen in the movie and described in the book. Maul, would not stand a chance. Anakin's force powers at that point, combined with his saber skills, only a very few could beat him a straight up fight. AOTC Anakin v Maul would actually be a better fight than this one.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI believe we are in the last episode of this final arc.
^ Agree with everything but the last part. I dnt think AOTC Anakin vs Maul would be a good fight. I think CW Anakin vs Maul would be a close one. Although who knows, we may actually see that fight in a few weeks 😉
If Maul was trained as proper Sith he would have a good chance against Anakin. Actually, Vader did meet resurrected Maul and barely won him.
Of course many would argue that Vader got weaker after fight with Obi-Wan. Yes, he can't jump around like before but he still can be as attuned to the Force as before, plus his cybernetics give him much more strength. Lumya was more of a machine than Vader, yet, she was excellent fighter. Obi-Wan couldn't win Vader after all.
Originally posted by Arhael
If Maul was trained as proper Sith he would have a good chance against Anakin.
Im not sure where you got that Maul was not trained properly. He was trained by Sidious himself, and as far as I know his training was unparalleled. Although Maul was still fairly young at the time of TPM.
Originally posted by Arhael
Actually, Vader did meet resurrected Maul and barely won him.
Of course many would argue that Vader got weaker after fight with Obi-Wan. Yes, he can't jump around like before but he still can be as attuned to the Force as before, plus his cybernetics give him much more strength. Lumya was more of a machine than Vader, yet, she was excellent fighter. Obi-Wan couldn't win Vader after all.
Vader is roughly on par with Count Dooku. When Anakin tooled Dooku, he had reached the height of his power. It was all downhill from there.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Im not sure where you got that Maul was not trained properly. He was trained by Sidious himself, and as far as I know his training was unparalleled. Although Maul was still fairly young at the time of TPM.
From wookieepedia:
"Maul spent the first few years of his life in the care of droids in a secret location on Mustafar. A year after he was given over to the Sith, Sidious was granted permission from his own Master to train Maul as an apprentice. But in order to avoid breaking the Rule of Two, Sidious was only allowed to train the young Zabrak as a weapon; he was never trained to be a true Sith Lord in the same way as Plagueis and Sidious."
Vader is roughly on par with Count Dooku. When Anakin tooled Dooku, he had reached the height of his power. It was all downhill from there.
Why Obi couldn't best Vader then? 57 is not that old, Luke at such age was not a hint weaker. Or it's because Obi didn't practice?
Originally posted by Arhael
From wookieepedia:
"Maul spent the first few years of his life in the care of droids in a secret location on Mustafar. A year after he was given over to the Sith, Sidious was granted permission from his own Master to train Maul as an apprentice. But in order to avoid breaking the Rule of Two, Sidious was only allowed to train the young Zabrak as a weapon; he was never trained to be a true Sith Lord in the same way as Plagueis and Sidious."
I will have to look into this. But what was stopping Maul's training going further after Sidious killed his master??
Anyway as far as his combat training went it was pretty hardcore. That's what the comics have shown anyway. And I believe theres a quote somewhere about Maul's force and physical assisted abilities being pushed to their upmost during his training.
Originally posted by Arhael
Why Obi couldn't best Vader then? 57 is not that old, Luke at such age was not a hint weaker. Or it's because Obi didn't practice?
Im not sure what you mean. I said Vader was approx on par with Dooku. When was Obi-Wan ever a match for anyone in Count Dooku's tier?? The fact that Vader struggled to strike down Obi-Wan shows Old Ben was probably more powerful than his ROTS self.
Originally posted by ArhaelThat doesn't have any bearing on his martial skills, though. It's the same deal with Mara Jade and Assaj Ventress. They were all trained in the art of fighting, but it was the philosophical mumbo jumbo of being a sith that was above their paygrade.
[B]From wookieepedia:
"Maul spent the first few years of his life in the care of droids in a secret location on Mustafar. A year after he was given over to the Sith, Sidious was granted permission from his own Master to train Maul as an apprentice. But in order to avoid breaking the Rule of Two, Sidious was only allowed to train the young Zabrak as a weapon; he was never trained to be a true Sith Lord in the same way as Plagueis and Sidious."
Why Obi couldn't best Vader then? 57 is not that old, Luke at such age was not a hint weaker. Or it's because Obi didn't practice?It's because while Vader spent twenty years being trained in the ways of the dark side by Sideous, and hunting down Jedi all over the place (ala Force Unleashed), Obi-Wan was sitting around in bars, wandering around the desert having heat strokes, and getting fat stalking Luke.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERSidious killed his master same year, when Maul died.
I will have to look into this. But what was stopping Maul's training going further after Sidious killed his master??Anyway as far as his combat training went it was pretty hardcore. That's what the comics have shown anyway. And I believe theres a quote somewhere about Maul's force and physical assisted abilities being pushed to their upmost during his training.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Im not sure what you mean. I said Vader was approx on par with Dooku. When was Obi-Wan ever a match for anyone in Count Dooku's tier?? The fact that Vader struggled to strike down Obi-Wan shows Old Ben was probably more powerful than his ROTS self.
That doesn't have any bearing on his martial skills, though. It's the same deal with Mara Jade and Assaj Ventress. They were all trained in the art of fighting, but it was the philosophical mumbo jumbo of being a sith that was above their paygrade.That's true. But still there was slight possibility that, if he received full knowledge, he would gain more power to draw on. Like Palpatine post RotS became so much more powerful not just because of his Force potential but with use of various Sith sorcery.
Originally posted by ArhaelActually, by RotS Obi's combat skills were on level with Dooku or even above, Dooku won him only because of Force choke.
What you mean fencing skills?
No they were not. Dooku was the Master of Makashi, the ultimate fencing form.
And Obi-Wan certainly did not have more power in the Force either.
As for the force choke thing, remember just before the choke Dooku hits Obi-Wan's saber back to create the opening for the force choke.
This while kicking Anakin 10 feet away. I dnt remember Obi-Wan ever kicking another force user that far.
So no I dnt see ROTS Obi-Wan winning or even stalemating Dooku in a one on one fight without Force TK involved.
And Obi-Wan certainly did not have more power in the Force either.
What you mean fencing skills?No they were not. Dooku was the Master of Makashi, the ultimate fencing form.
Cin Drallig was master of 6 forms, Academy lightsaber instructor and finest swordsman, yet, Anakin killed him and his apprentice with ease and singlehandedly.
In saber fight between Obi and Dooku deciding factors would be natural abilities and talent.
Originally posted by Arhael
Actually, by RotS Obi's combat skills were on level with Dooku or even above, Dooku won him only because of Force choke.
WTF? Dooku is described as a one of the best duelist in order history, on par with Mace and Yoda. He was able to fight your Obi and Anakin at the same time.
And Obi doesn't defeat Anakin because of his skill. They both knows everything about each other, but with Anakin's mental condition it gives profits only for Kenobi. And soresu is a better form to fight Djem So user, then Makashi.
And at the end Obi was able to win, only because of high ground.
Originally posted by Arhael
That's what I meant. Obi was one of the best swordsmen of his time but Dooku totally outmatched him by using Force.
He had to take him out quick because he was having enough trouble against Anakin. So that doesn't prove anything about Dooku and Obi-Wan's Saber skills.
What we do know is Dooku has the power and skill to sword fight Yoda. I doubt Obi-Wan does.