Superman vs Firelord

Started by -Pr-5 pages
Originally posted by carver9
😕 What are you talking about?

This "looking at fts", or "going by feats" thing you like to do.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Why? He's fought energy manipulators before. And even IF he'd beat, say, the first Superman on the list, are you going to argue that he beats the other three?

Never. I even said, he (Firelord) loses the last three scenarios badly. He beats Superman in scenario 1 only.

Originally posted by zopzop
Never. I even said, he (Firelord) loses the last three scenarios badly. He beats Superman in scenario 1 only.

By how much, and how/why, out of curiosity.

Originally posted by -Pr-
This "looking at fts", or "going by feats" thing you like to do.

Lol...you don't like that huh?

Originally posted by -Pr-
By how much, and how/why, out of curiosity.

He gets crushed. I probably wouldn't give him one win.

Originally posted by zopzop
He gets crushed. I probably wouldn't give him one win.

Why?

Originally posted by zopzop
He gets crushed. I probably wouldn't give him one win.

WTF. Are you serious? This is Superman we are talking about.

Superman stomps in every match

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why?

Superman Prime on up are too much for a herald leveler like Firelord. In scenario 2 and up, he'd be going against Trans Tier beings. He's not winning that fight.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why?

Bah I misunderstood your question.

In scenario 1, I'd give it to Firelord 6/10. Superman can win some, it's just that Firelord will take the majority. Firelord's ability to drain/manipulate energy over the entire EM spectrum (guess what red sun radiation falls under and yes he'd sense it with his "Cosmic Senses"😉, the fact that his "fire" isn't really solar at all but (quoting Surfer) "the product of Galactus' alien science" (meaning his blasts won't empower Superman in any way) and the fact that the Power Cosmic is just too versatile (PIS off).

Originally posted by carver9
😕 What are you talking about?

Thanos doesn't have better feats than Darkseid.

Originally posted by zopzop
Bah I misunderstood your question.

In scenario 1, I'd give it to Firelord 6/10. Superman can win some, it's just that Firelord will take the majority. Firelord's ability to drain/manipulate energy over the entire EM spectrum (guess what red sun radiation falls under and yes he'd sense it with his "Cosmic Senses"😉, the fact that his "fire" isn't really solar at all but (quoting Surfer) "the product of Galactus' alien science" (meaning his blasts won't empower Superman in any way) and the fact that the Power Cosmic is just too versatile (PIS off).

so you're basically saying "cosmic awareness" + "power cosmic" = win?

Originally posted by -Pr-
so you're basically saying "cosmic awareness" + "power cosmic" = win?

And his ability to go toe to toe with legit Cl100 beings, yes. His durability +cosmic senses + power cosmic (and his total control over stellar energies). This is basically his fight to lose.

Originally posted by zopzop
And his ability to go toe to toe with legit Cl100 beings, yes. His durability +cosmic senses + power cosmic (and his total control over stellar energies). This is basically his fight to lose.

"total control over stellar energies"

elaborate please.

we'll leave the cosmic awareness out for now, cos i know we're not going to agree on that, so no point lol

Originally posted by -Pr-
"total control over stellar energies"

elaborate please.

we'll leave the cosmic awareness out for now, cos i know we're not going to agree on that, so no point lol

There's scans in his respect thread of him using that ability 2 or 3 times. So it's a legit power. His cosmic senses that is.

Leaving aside the power cosmic, he's the humanoid equivalent to a small star (heat, light, radio waves, EM spectrum of energies, gravity). He's not just some "cosmic" version of the Human Torch. On panel Silver Surfer stated that Firelord's "fire" isn't even stellar in origin but "a product of Galactus' alien science". Add to that, Firelord also has energy drain/absorption feats on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
There's scans in his respect thread of him using that ability 2 or 3 times. So it's a legit power. His cosmic senses that is.

Leaving aside the power cosmic, he's the humanoid equivalent to a small star (heat, light, radio waves, EM spectrum of energies, gravity). He's not just some "cosmic" version of the Human Torch. On panel Silver Surfer stated that Firelord's "fire" isn't even stellar in origin but "a product of Galactus' alien science". Add to that, Firelord also has energy drain/absorption feats on panel.

I was asking more about what it was, than whether he had used it much. 😛

Energy draining is all well and good, but Superman recharges awfully quickly. Can he block him from the sun? Would he realistically do it in a fight?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I was asking more about what it was, than whether he had used it much. 😛

Energy draining is all well and good, but Superman recharges awfully quickly. Can he block him from the sun? Would he realistically do it in a fight?

The thing is, Superman is unique amongst bricks in that he's basically a walking plant. Getting his power from solar energy and being weak vs a specific spectrum of energy (red sun radiation). In the fights Firelord has been in with bricks and others, he's never needed to do anything other than blast/dodge/use his staff.

Against an opponent like Superman, Firelord would truly shine. Energy draining, red sun radiation blasts or even better, surround himself with a HUGE aura of red sun radiation or power cosmic "fire" like he did vs the Silver Surfer that caused the Surfer to flee outside the aura.

Superman is a dream opponent for Firelord.

i can make threads where those supes loses but that's petty

kril can defeat superman its not that hard to see

whether anyone believes that's on u

for me....kril ftw 2-4 isn't a fair match for pyreus kril we all see that don't we

Guy...do you have that firelord vs Surfer fight where he was hitting Surfer with blasts hotter than the sun?

Superman wins