Superman vs Firelord

Originally posted by zopzop
The thing is, Superman is unique amongst bricks in that he's basically a walking plant. Getting his power from solar energy and being weak vs a specific spectrum of energy (red sun radiation). In the fights Firelord has been in with bricks and others, he's never needed to do anything other than blast/dodge/use his staff.

Against an opponent like Superman, Firelord would truly shine. Energy draining, red sun radiation blasts or even better, surround himself with a HUGE aura of red sun radiation or power cosmic "fire" like he did vs the Silver Surfer that caused the Surfer to flee outside the aura.

Superman is a dream opponent for Firelord.

So you're talking about things that he hasn't done, but could do? I'm not being difficult or insinuating anything, Firelord is just someone I'm not entirely familiar with.

Yeah since when did Firelord energy drain and ect? Just because he's Superman it doesn't mean Kril will change how he fights 😬. Plus i have never seen Firelord use his cosmic awareness to the level Surfer has.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you're talking about things that he hasn't done, but could do? I'm not being difficult or insinuating anything, Firelord is just someone I'm not entirely familiar with.

I know and understand. I'm just pointing out he's never needed to do the red sun/energy weakness thing against a foe because he's never faced a foe with that huge and gaping vulnerability before. That's why I say Superman man is Firelord's ideal foe.

He has the energy manip/drain feats on panel. On panel it was stated that his "fire" isn't stellar or even really fire at all but 'the product of Galactus' alien science' that caused the Surfer to flee his huge aura. He has the cosmic senses feat/statements on panel at least 2 or 3 times.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah since when did Firelord energy drain and ect? Just because he's Superman it doesn't mean Kril will change how he fights 😬. Plus i have never seen Firelord use his cosmic awareness to the level Surfer has.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t438483.html

He's used it enough times, considering his limited appearances, for it to be considered a legit power. The level of it compared to Surfer isn't an issue here.

Originally posted by carver9
Guy...do you have that firelord vs Surfer fight where he was hitting Surfer with blasts hotter than the sun?

i do buddy

Originally posted by zopzop
Because he's gone toe to toe vs Thor on multiple occasions and swatted Mjolnir away like it was a child's toy.

A PISless Firelord would be a terror, especially against solar based characters like Superman.

If Thor can go toe to toe with him, that basically proves Superman can too.

Unless you think Thor stomps Superman, in which case my reply is 😂

So, Firelord basically uses the PC to emit solar radiation, right?

Wouldn't that empower Supes?

Originally posted by cdtm
If Thor can go toe to toe with him, that basically proves Superman can too.

Unless you think Thor stomps Superman, in which case my reply is 😂

Originally posted by cdtm
So, Firelord basically uses the PC to emit solar radiation, right?

Wouldn't that empower Supes?

Originally posted by zopzop
Way to totally miss my point. Firelord's powers make him one of THE guys capable of taking down Superman. Cosimic senses? Check. Herald level physical stats? Check. Herald level energy manip powers? Check. Capable of going toe to toe with Superman AND exploiting his weaknesses? Check.

And again, Thor could go toe to toe with him. The only thing that spells trouble for Superman is possible weakness exploitation, and we'd need proof he could even exploit them (Like whether there's any reason to believe he can emmit red solar radiation, or even sense Supermans weaknesses like Norrin did with Gladiators weakness..)

TBH, cosmic awareness gets overplayed way too much on this forum.

Unless Firelord is particularly adept at it.

Lulz at this thread. Kal has taken a blast equal to 50 supernovas while being bombarded by red sun radiation by a sun eater. People act like heralds use cosmic awareness all the time, if that's the case superman goes intangible and removes firelord's heart. Firelord's not genis or hell even surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz at this thread. Kal has taken a blast equal to 50 supernovas while being bombarded by red sun radiation by a sun eater. People act like heralds use cosmic awareness all the time, if that's the case superman goes intangible and removes firelord's heart. Firelord's not genis or hell even surfer.

So in that case nothing below a 50 supernova blast would hurt him amirite?

Firelord vs. Superman is an interesting fight. He should definitely be able to hold his own against Superman in a battle, but with his affinity for flames and what not, if he discovers that Kal-El is vulnerable to specific radiation wave lengths, he'd win. That's not his regular mo from what I remember in his battles against Thor, but he might be able to sense that his power source is Solar based. Pretty sure he did something like that in a battle with Quasar and/or the X-men.

Not really decided on a winner, his energy projection will definitely hurt Superman but I don't think it's quite enough to knock him out before he gets his lights punched out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz at this thread. Kal has taken a blast equal to 50 supernovas while being bombarded by red sun radiation by a sun eater. People act like heralds use cosmic awareness all the time, if that's the case superman goes intangible and removes firelord's heart. Firelord's not genis or hell even surfer.

1) Horrible logic.

2) When did Superman withstand an explosion equivalent to 50 Supernovas? As I recall, the comic made it explicitly clear that it didn't happen. I'm pretty sure he wasn't even hit by the electromagnetic shockwave or whatever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz at this thread. Kal has taken a blast equal to 50 supernovas while being bombarded by red sun radiation by a sun eater. People act like heralds use cosmic awareness all the time, if that's the case superman goes intangible and removes firelord's heart. Firelord's not genis or hell even surfer.

You're not helping.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz at this thread. Kal has taken a blast equal to 50 supernovas while being bombarded by red sun radiation by a sun eater. People act like heralds use cosmic awareness all the time, if that's the case superman goes intangible and removes firelord's heart. Firelord's not genis or hell even surfer.

Supes edged out Firelord, but it's very close.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz at this thread. Kal has taken a blast equal to 50 supernovas while being bombarded by red sun radiation by a sun eater. People act like heralds use cosmic awareness all the time, if that's the case superman goes intangible and removes firelord's heart. Firelord's not genis or hell even surfer.

Err...

Firelord holding his own against Thor - among other feats - firmly places him in the Mid/High Herald bracket and makes him a good opponent for Superman. Not sure what that feat is supposed to mean unless you think that's something like the norm for Superman, which it's clearly not. Using Cosmic Awareness to weakness exploit =/= Superman going intangible and murdering someone.

Anyway, Superman gets the majority, but he doesn't stomp Firelord at all.

Kril is a tough dude but I could never envision him defeating Supes. Having said that, I'm seeing some good arguments on his behalf. Good shyte zop. But as you know I always gotta tease you and guy about this...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/picsay-1326094995.jpg

😛

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

1) Horrible logic.

What horrible logic, aren't we debating powersets here unless you know an instance where firelord produced red sun light let alone used his cosmic awareness to find out weaknesses in the heat of battle?

2) When did Superman withstand an explosion equivalent to 50 Supernovas? As I recall, the comic made it explicitly clear that it didn't happen. I'm pretty sure he wasn't even hit by the electromagnetic shockwave or whatever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As I recall, the comic made it explicitly clear that it didn't happen. I'm pretty sure he wasn't even hit by the electromagnetic shockwave or whatever.

He was hit by the initial explosion, which was 50 times the size of a named super nova, but never got hit by the slower moving entropy wave (As it would wipe him out, since it could take out a Sun Eater.)

And as for the comic explicitly saying it never happened:

It was implied. It's kind of an outlandish story, but how much would John really know about Sun Eaters or Entropy bombs?