So how powerful was Darth Malak on the Star Forge?

So according to...Ghost Nural It took Revan and Bastilla to defeat Malak on the Star Forge, even if we take that only Revan defeated him, how strong was he?
Scenario 1: Regular Malak
Scenario 2: Star Forge Malak with several Jedi prepped to absorb.
How does he fare against each of these combatants?
1. Kit Fisto
2. ROTS Ob-Wan
3. ROTS Anakin (Zonakin restricted)
4. Darth Malgus
5. Grand Master Satele Shan
6. Count Dooku
7. Mace Windu
8. Master Yoda
9. ROTS Sidious

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So according to...Ghost Nural It took Revan and Bastilla to defeat Malak on the Star Forge, even if we take that only Revan defeated him, how strong was he?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Scenario 1: Regular Malak

If you consider Pre-MW Malak; he is average.
If you consider MW Malak; he is improved and battle-hardened.
If you consider DLOTS Malak: he is powerful and very capable.

DLOTS Malak handled the trio of Revan, Bastilla, and Carth, on Leviathan. He not just survived but subdued Bastilla.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Scenario 2: Star Forge Malak with several Jedi prepped to absorb.
How does he fare against each of these combatants?
1. Kit Fisto
2. ROTS Ob-Wan
3. ROTS Anakin (Zonakin restricted)
4. Darth Malgus
5. Grand Master Satele Shan
6. Count Dooku
7. Mace Windu
8. Master Yoda
9. ROTS Sidious

1. ROTS Obi-Wan should be above ROTS Anakin or on par.
2. Malgus should be above Dooku.
3. Satele should be on par with Yoda at minimum.

It is very difficult to give a definite position to SF Malak. However, surely above Dooku. A position between Mace and Yoda would make sense. Not sure about swordsmanship though.

Don't listen to the above, the list is perfect.

And I think clearly Gnost Dural is wrong about Bastila fighting Malak. He's just a historian, whereas we've actually witnessed the event in question first hand and Bastila stayed behind to perform the much more important task of using her Battle Meditation.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So according to...Ghost Nural

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malak on Star Forge was described as being nearly unstoppable.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
[B]Who is a ghost.

Swing and a miss.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Swing and a miss.

You contribute so much.

Yes, because when we see stupidity in posts, we ache to use sarcasm.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't listen to the above, the list is perfect.

You're just fishing for a Queen reference aren't you?

'Is this the reeeeal world, is this just faaaantasy?

Caught in a fan-lie, can't escape from realityyyy.

Open your eyes, look out at SW aaaand seeeeeeee!'

I'm just a farm boy, I miss my aunty.

When emailed this question, Drew's response was that Malak was receiving a serious boost to his power simply by being on the Star Forge, since it effectively functions as a dark side nexus.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
True, but many things in the Star Wars Mythos have been.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Well I did specify Darth Malak.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Anakin is more powerful than Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Obi-Wan only is victorious against him because.
A. He is considered by Mace to be THE Soresu Master.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
B. He's been sparring with Anakin since he learned to wield a saber.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Malgus has shown nothing superior to Dooku, who while blind and drugged and in his pjs defeated Assaji Ventress + 2 Night Sisters.

YouTube video

You can see how powerful and skilled Jedi Master Kao was. But when Malgus gave into rage, it was gameover.

And Malgus would manhandle Assaj.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And Satele aside from being Grand Master hasn't really shown all that much. All we know is she's pretty much the strongest Jedi in the order during the Clone Wars.

Some feats of Satele are:

1. Unleashing a special force power which took out 3 Sith Warriors simultaneously and instantly.
2. Killing Sith warriors and battle droids effortlessely without even stopping in the process.
3. Ripping apart a gigantic Tree from its foundation with a single hand while holding Malgus at bay with another.
4. Shattering a gigantic boulder of rock into tiny pieces with a powerful surge of energy.
5. Blocking a killer lightsaber blow with bare hands.
6. Reducing deadly droids into exploding fireballs with a flick of her hand.
7. Capable of moving extremely fast and perform incredible acrobatics during duels.

She is the Grand Master of the Jedi Order for a reason, kid.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Why does everyone underestimate Dooku?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He has been stated many times to be on par with Mace. And the one time they dueled there was no victor.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Do you really think Malak can defeat Dooku or Mace Windu, especially Mace who is a really bad opponent against Dark Siders.

Mace has special advantage against darksiders though. However, he is not necessarily more powerful then all of them. Sidious is stronger then him as an example.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malak became so powerful that he managed to handle Revan, Bastilla, and Carth simultaneously. Do you think that this is a joke? This feat alone puts him above Dooku.

Lolwut?

Yoda>Satele. Although her use of force absorb was quite cool.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lolwut?

We have Revan among his opponents. And Bastilla Shan herself is no ordinary Jedi.

Originally posted by ares834
Yoda>Satele.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, it does.

We have [B]Revan among his opponents. And Bastilla Shan herself is no ordinary Jedi. [/B]

A barely trained Revan with no quantifiable Force Mastery or duelling ability. And Bastila Shan isn't that impressive at that point. She again is a complete Unknown in terms of capability.

Clearly Carth was carrying their weak asses in that fight. Rapid Shot FTW!

Originally posted by Nephthys
A barely trained Revan with no quantifiable Force Mastery or duelling ability.

Bro, he was properly retrained in the ways of the Jedi on Dantooine. As a part of his final test, he proceeded to defeat Juhani and redeem her.

The Jedi Council would not have risked sending Revan unprepared against Sith. There victory depended upon the actions of this one individual.

Also, Revan visited 3 planets before facing Malak. He gained lot of combat experience during these adventures. He faced dangerous opponents including Calo Nord, Krayt Dragon, Bandon etc...

During duel with Malak on Leviathan;

Revan actually forced Malak to temporary retreat into the next chamber during his initial clash. Malak then resorted to his Force powers to overwhelm Revan in the second clash.

Prior to this, Malak froze both Bastilla and Carth with his Force powers to ensure that no interference would occur from them.

Bastilla rejoined in the next phase of the duel to save Revan. Her interference gave Revan and Carth the opportunity to escape.

Revan then proceeded to get trained in the ways of the Sith afterwards on Korriban and also visited Lehon before the final encounter. His experience and understanding of the Force further increased.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Bastila Shan isn't that impressive at that point. She again is a complete Unknown in terms of capability.

She was part of the Jedi Strike Team send to take on Darth Revan. Do you think that the Jedi Council would risk sending such an important individual in such a dangerous fight?

Her loss to DLOTS Malak is not a sign of her weakness. It is just that Malak had grown very powerful since the days of Jararel. He was running an entire SITH EMPIRE. Do you think that this is easy task?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Clearly Carth was carrying their weak asses in that fight. Flurry Shot FTW!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A barely trained Revan?

Bro, he was properly [B]retrained in the ways of the Jedi on Dantooine.[/b]

As of leaving to persue the Star Maps Revan was still a neophyte, as is pointed out almost immediately. Revan was on Dantooine for, what, a month? Anyway, show how well trained he was. Prove up.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As a part of his final test, he proceeded to defeat Juhani and redeem her.

Juhani was a Padawan. 😐

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Jedi Council would not have risked sending Revan unprepared against Sith. There victory depended upon the actions of this one individual.

The Jedi Council were desperate. They had almost lost the war as is. Remember that by the end of the war there were only about 100 Jedi left....

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Revan visited 3 planets before facing Malak. He gained lot of combat experience during these adventures. He faced dangerous opponents including Calo Nord, Krayt Dragon, Bandon etc...

Revan always had the backing of his crew for that. This is unquantifiable in terms of his personal skill.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
During duel with Malak on Leviathan;

Revan actually forced Malak to temporary retreat into the next chamber during his initial clash. Malak then resorted to his Force powers to overwhelm Revan in the second clash.

Prior to this, Malak froze both Bastilla and Carth with his Force powers to ensure that no interference would occur from them.

Bastilla rejoined in the next phase of the duel to save Revan. Her interference gave Revan and Carth the opportunity to escape.

Cool, I guess? How does this make Revan or Malak powerful? You're using them to try and prove the other is powerful, i.e. Malak is powerful because he beat Revan on the Leviathan and Revan is powerful because he managed to force Malak back on the Leviathan. This is circular logic.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan then proceeded to get trained in the ways of the Sith afterwards on Korriban and also visited Lehon before the final encounter. His experience and understanding of the Force further increased.

At no point do you recieve any training on Korriban. 😐

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How is she complete unknown? Granted that we don't get massive details about her personal abilities but KOTOR CG solves this issue thankfully to some degree.

She was part of the Jedi Strike Team send to take on Darth Revan. Do you think that the Jedi Council would risk sending such an important individual in such a dangerous fight?

No I don't. And I've used that exact arguement in the past to show why she shouldn't be underestimated. The problem is that I only ever used that as supporting evidence. By itself it doesn't give a clear estimation of her abilities or how powerful she actually is.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Her loss to DLOTS Malak is not a sign of her weakness. It is just that Malak had grown very powerful since the days of Jararel. He was running an entire SITH EMPIRE. Do you think that this is easy task?

So was Kaan. And he was pathetic. Just because the people under Malak were weaker than him doesn't make him automatically strong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He was a skilled soldier and was an asset. However, he proved to be useless; thanks to powers of Malak.

I was joking.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't listen to the above, the list is perfect.

And I think clearly Gnost Dural is wrong about Bastila fighting Malak. He's just a historian, whereas we've actually witnessed the event in question first hand and Bastila stayed behind to perform the much more important task of using her Battle Meditation.

I agree, this is a huge inconsistency in Dural's history lesson and weakens the impact of the rest of his works. In any case, Drew K confirmed to me via email (years ago, actually. I may have referenced it on here sometime) that Revan and Malak fought solo, that Malak had a huge homecourt advantage, being powered both by the Star Forge and the braindead Jedi he was draining, and the fight was "epic" (Drew's words, not mine), and that ultimately Revan won *duh*.

The conclusion you can draw from this is that Malak, buffed by the Star Forge, was an epic battle for someone described at this point as the strongest Jedi in the Order (see Revan. That means he's probably top tier while buffed.