So how powerful was Darth Malak on the Star Forge?

I wouldn't say top teir. He's no Nihilus, thats for sure.

Well, Nihilus and Bandon are beyond power scales. I meant among mortals.

Nihilus and Bandon? That's like saying Norris and Chuck.

Bandon was such a colossus of power in the Force that it collapsed in on itself, like a neutron star. Only the life force of entire planets was enough to fill the gap.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As of leaving to persue the Star Maps Revan was still a neophyte, as is pointed out almost immediately. Revan was on Dantooine for, what, a month? Anyway, show how well trained he was. Prove up.

We did not experienced the whole training process but we did get some glimpses and had to pass the final test ourselves.

1. He was pitted against Bastilla Shan to hone his dueling skills.
2. He performed floating meditation along with using Telekinesis to lift and move several objects simultaneously.
3. He reconstructed his own lightsaber.
4. He finally proceeded to defeat Juhani and redeem her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Juhani was a Padawan. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Jedi Council were desperate. They had almost lost the war as is. Remember that by the end of the war there were only about 100 Jedi left....

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan always had the backing of his crew for that. This is unquantifiable in terms of his personal skill.

In addition, it has been pointed out in canonical sources that Revan killed those notable individuals. They came with companions too to keep the companions of Revan busy.

For Bandon;

Revan killed him (KOTOR CG, SW TCE)

For Calo Nord;

Ultimately, it takes a person of equal power to defeat him, as Revan does when the bounty hunter tries to prevent his escape from Taris in the Ebon Hawk
(KOTOR CG)

And Revan killed him later on. This is obvious because he came to target him and Revan could not avoid them or let him escape.

And the list goes on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Cool, I guess? How does this make Revan or Malak powerful? You're using them to try and prove the other is powerful, i.e. Malak is powerful because he beat Revan on the Leviathan and Revan is powerful because he managed to force Malak back on the Leviathan. This is circular logic.

In the first phase, Revan proved that he was a force to be reckoned with and forced Malak to retreat.

In the second phase, Malak proved that he was also a force to be reckoned with by trapping Revan with his Force powers.

This is the intended message of the creators. They wanted to depict that both were strong individuals.

Originally posted by Nephthys
At no point do you recieve any training on Korriban. 😐

Think from realistic perspective; all that training and exposure that Revan got on Korriban - would it not have improved his understanding of the Force further?

Revan' exploits in Korriban led to the collapse of the Sith Training Academy situated there. There was total chaos.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No I don't. And I've used that exact arguement in the past to show why she shouldn't be underestimated. The problem is that I only ever used that as supporting evidence. By itself it doesn't give a clear estimation of her abilities or how powerful she actually is.

Maybe the most heroic Jedi of her time, Bastila Shan was a Jedi exempler. (KOTOR CG)

Heroes are born with actions and not just words.

1. We do see her slaying elite Sith warriors of Darth Revan.

2. She confronted Revan on Lehon but escaped unscathed.

3. On Star Forge, Bastila was depicted as being equal to 3 strongest apprentices.

Now couple her with Revan and we have got a challenging pair to contend with.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So was Kaan. And he was pathetic. Just because the people under Malak were weaker than him doesn't make him automatically strong.

Besides, the Sith Master (Uthar Wynn) on Korriban confirmed that Malak was thus far the strongest individual in his Sith Empire. Uthar himself was a force to be reckoned with as he had exiled his Sith Master and was taken out by the duo of Revan and Yuthura. And Malak was no Kaan.

Malak' power was increasing with passage of time, as Revan himself noted this on KOTOR.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was joking.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I agree, this is a huge inconsistency in Dural's history lesson and weakens the impact of the rest of his works. In any case, Drew K confirmed to me via email (years ago, actually. I may have referenced it on here sometime) that Revan and Malak fought solo, that Malak had a huge homecourt advantage, being powered both by the Star Forge and the braindead Jedi he was draining, and the fight was "epic" (Drew's words, not mine), and that ultimately Revan won *duh*.

The conclusion you can draw from this is that Malak, buffed by the Star Forge, was an epic battle for someone described at this point as the strongest Jedi in the Order (see Revan. That means he's probably top tier while buffed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't recall any duration being mentioned but it was long enough for Revan to be retrained in the ways of the Jedi. His learning rate was extremely fast.

We did not experienced the whole training process but we did get some glimpses and had to pass the final test ourselves.

1. He was pitted against Bastilla Shan to hone his dueling skills.
2. He performed floating meditation along with using Telekinesis to lift and move several objects simultaneously.
3. He reconstructed his own lightsaber.
4. He finally proceeded to defeat Juhani and redeem her.

All of which amounts to? So we saw him honing his dueling skills, but we don't know how skilled in lightsabers he became. We saw him telekinetically lift a chair and some books. All we know is that he gained basic Jedi abilities. We still have no idea how powerful or skilled Revan was at the time. Considering how little he's shown practising with the Force its likely that he only has rudimentary Force Mastery.

Revan was considered an Unknown for a reason. Before his novel we can't realistically use him in versus matches. Theres actually a rule against it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Padawan or not, she cut down her Jedi Master and was a threat. There were other padawans there too but only Revan succeeded in solving this problem.

Juhani's master purposefully enraged Juhani and let herself be taken out. It was a test, she wasn't fully fighting Juhani. And I don't think we see anyone else try to solve the problem, making your point irrelevent.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
From those 100 left, they chose to sent weaklings, right? They thought that these weaklings would take on Darth Revan (one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the Galactic history)? Does this makes sense?

Did I say that they were weaklings? No. Only that by itself Bastila being on the Strike Team does not prove that she is anything but average. Your point assumes that they had alternatives that are powerful to send instead of her.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It was stated in the databank that Bastilla Shan was thrusted into difficult and challenging roles as a Jedi along side Revan.

In addition, it has been pointed out in canonical sources that Revan killed those notable individuals. They came with companions too to keep the companions of Revan busy.

For Bandon;

Revan killed him (KOTOR CG, SW TCE)

For Calo Nord;

Ultimately, it takes a person of equal power to defeat him, as Revan does when the bounty hunter tries to prevent his escape from Taris in the Ebon Hawk
(KOTOR CG)

Again you are missing the fact that Revan had help from his companions. Even if Revan dealt the killing blow it does not mean that Revan solely takes the credit for their defeat. And seriously? Calo Nord and Bandon? Calo Nord is a non-force sensitive and Bandon, no matter how much we joke about him being incredibly uber, is again a complete Unknown in terms of ability. Come back when Revan defeats someone of note. Or don't, because I know that he didn't.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Revan killed him later on. This is obvious because he came to target him and Revan could not avoid them or let him escape.

And the list goes on.

No it doesn't. Revan is an Unknown quantity up til he regained his memories. Like always you fail in establishing someone as being as powerful as you think they were. Malak defeating Revan on the Leviathan means all of absolutely nothing because Revan at that time is an Unknown. Period.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is not ciruclar logic.

In the first phase, Revan proved that he was a force to be reckoned with and forced Malak to retreat.

In the second phase, Malak proved that he was also a force to be reckoned with by trapping Revan with his Force powers.

This is the intended message of the creators. They wanted to depict that both were strong individuals.

Yes it is circular logic. You cannot prove Malak was powerful by proving that Revan was powerful by proving that Revan forced Malak back. That is the definition of circular logic. You cannot support Malak being powerful with an arguement like that.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Now you are using points as an argument?

IIRC English is not your first language, so I understand how you could misinterpret me that badly. All I said was that Revan doesn't actually recieve any training on Korriban. You can play through the game again if you don't believe me. The only thing Revan learns on Korriban is the Sith Code, the legend of the Sithari and some history lessons.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Think from realistic perspective; all that training and exposure that Revan got on Korriban - would it not have improved his understanding of the Force further?

No, because said training does not exist.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan' exploits in Korriban led to the collapse of the Sith Training Academy situated there. There was total chaos.

Proving nothing about Revans personal combat abilities.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I understand. However;

Maybe the most heroic Jedi of her time, Bastila Shan was a Jedi exempler. (KOTOR CG)

Heroes are born with actions and not just words.

This doesn't say anything about how powerful Bastila was. Its merely your interpretation linking it to that. You remember that Bastila was the Jedi who was overcome by Swoop gangmembers at the start of the game, right? Clearly a mighty hero.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. We do see her slaying elite Sith warriors of Darth Revan.

Could you establish how 'elite' these warriors were for me?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
2. She confronted Revan on Lehon but escaped unscathed.

3. On Star Forge, Bastila was depicted as being equal to 3 strongest apprentices.

Now couple her with Revan and we have got a challenging pair to contend with.

Both of those things occur after Malak defeated, converted and educated her in the Sith arts.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Was Kas'im pathetic too?

Kas'im wasn't Kaan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Besides, the Sith Master (Uthar Wynn) on Korriban confirmed that Malak was thus far the strongest individual in his Sith Empire. Uthar himself was a force to be reckoned with as he had exiled his Sith Master and was taken out by the duo of Revan and Yuthura. And Malak was no Kaan.

I don't believe theres any canonical proof about how Revan handled himself on Korriban, or whether he turned on Uthar with Yuthura or not. And besides, losing a fight hardly establishes him as 'a force to be reckoned with.'

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kindly identify these many things. Full list would be appreciated.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
[B]Yes, because when we see stupidity in posts, we ache to use sarcasm.

[quote]Mizukage Yoda
[quote]Dr McBeefington
Yes, because when we see stupidity in posts, we ache to use sarcasm.

Don't you have something better to do?[/quote][/quote]

😂

I'm afraid I don't understand. I called your post "stupid", and you respond with what seemed like my criticism of your "misspelling"?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm afraid I don't understand. I called your post "stupid", and you respond with what seemed like my criticism of your "misspelling"?

Get your flame bait out of my thread Beefington.

Originally posted by Nephthys
All of which amounts to?

Originally posted by Nephthys
So we saw him honing his dueling skills, but we don't know how skilled in lightsabers he became.

Originally posted by Nephthys
We saw him telekinetically lift a chair and some books.

Two stone chairs and one book.

Revan was simultaneously performing following acts during this moment:

1. Floating meditation
2. Lifting the objects with the Force
3. Spinning the objects with the Force
4. Moving the two larger objects around him in circular motion

Originally posted by Nephthys
All we know is that he gained basic Jedi abilities.

"You have done in weeks what many cannot do in years." (Zhar to Revan)

After his training was complete, he had to pass some trials. Defeating Juhani was just one of them.

Further knowledge comes with passage of time, dedication to learn, and experience.

Originally posted by Nephthys
We still have no idea how powerful or skilled Revan was at the time. Considering how little he's shown practising with the Force its likely that he only has rudimentary Force Mastery.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan was considered an Unknown for a reason. Before his novel we can't realistically use him in versus matches. Theres actually a rule against it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Juhani's master purposefully enraged Juhani and let herself be taken out. It was a test, she wasn't fully fighting Juhani. And I don't think we see anyone else try to solve the problem, making your point irrelevent.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Did I say that they were weaklings? No. Only that by itself Bastila being on the Strike Team does not prove that she is anything but average. Your point assumes that they had alternatives that are powerful to send instead of her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again you are missing the fact that Revan had help from his companions. Even if Revan dealt the killing blow it does not mean that Revan solely takes the credit for their defeat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And seriously? Calo Nord and Bandon? Calo Nord is a non-force sensitive and Bandon, no matter how much we joke about him being incredibly uber, is again a complete Unknown in terms of ability. Come back when Revan defeats someone of note. Or don't, because I know that he didn't.

Calo Nord was the most formidable bounty hunter in the entire Galaxy during his time. He met his match in Revan only.

Darth Bandon was also a promising Sith Lord.

The bloodthirsty Darth Bandon wastes no time in building a double-bladed Sith lightsaber resembling that of Exar Kun, using it to impale a score of his former Jedi allies. (KOTOR CG)

From databank:

There he embraced the dark side and the way of the Sith with every fiber of his being. His great strength in the Force, his natural cruelty and his absolute ruthlessness in his quest for power soon set him apart from his fellow students, and drew the calculating eye of Lord Malak himself.

Darth Bandon proved himself to be an excellent choice. Many Jedi fell beneath the blade of his lightsaber. Some in the Sith hierarchy wondered if Bandon would someday rise to challenge Malak for the mantle of Dark Lord, for that was the way of the Sith: the strong must rule, and when the apprentice surpasses the Master, the Master must fall.

Jokes aside, these two individuals represented boss fights.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. Revan is an Unknown quantity up til he regained his memories. Like always you fail in establishing someone as being as powerful as you think they were. Malak defeating Revan on the Leviathan means all of absolutely nothing because Revan at that time is an Unknown. Period.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes it is circular logic. You cannot prove Malak was powerful by proving that Revan was powerful by proving that Revan forced Malak back. That is the definition of circular logic. You cannot support Malak being powerful with an arguement like that.

Malak' victory against overwhelming odds in Leviathan proved that he had become powerful and dangerous. He was successfully running a Sith Empire, which is not a joke.

Malak is the strongest of us. And the strongest always rules... (Yuthura to Revan)

Originally posted by Nephthys
IIRC English is not your first language, so I understand how you could misinterpret me that badly. All I said was that Revan doesn't actually recieve any training on Korriban. You can play through the game again if you don't believe me. The only thing Revan learns on Korriban is the Sith Code, the legend of the Sithari and some history lessons.

Do you think that the Sith welcomed Revan as a Jedi on Korriban and led him straight to the tomb of Naga Sadow?

Revan had to complete his Sith training and trails before he could get the the opportunity to access the Star Map in the tomb of Naga Sadow and leave with it. He had competitors and he had to remove them one by one in the process.

Below are hints from Revan' novel:

Revan had learned too much about the Force, both the light side and the dark, to take instruction like some common Padawan.

In the first few weeks after Malak’s defeat, when he was still being honored and feted as the savior of the galaxy, he had approached the Council with an offer to share his new understanding of the Force with the other members of the Order.

He understood that the two sides of the Force were more closely intertwined with each other than either the Jedi or the Sith would ever admit. He had learned to balance on the knife-edge between them, drawing on both the light and dark sides for strength.

Revan is actually Jedi and also a Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because said training does not exist.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Proving nothing about Revans personal combat abilities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This doesn't say anything about how powerful Bastila was. Its merely your interpretation linking it to that. You remember that Bastila was the Jedi who was overcome by Swoop gangmembers at the start of the game, right? Clearly a mighty hero.

Bastilla was unconscious when she was taken as a captive from her crashed pod. Start using that rusty brain of yours.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could you establish how 'elite' these warriors were for me?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Both of those things occur after Malak defeated, converted and educated her in the Sith arts.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Kas'im wasn't Kaan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't believe theres any canonical proof about how Revan handled himself on Korriban, or whether he turned on Uthar with Yuthura or not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And besides, losing a fight hardly establishes him as 'a force to be reckoned with.'

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Empire.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
DLOTS Malak then.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlhfixULv28
Dooku is visibly exhausted at the end of this duel. Meanwhile everytime he fights Kenobi, Obi-Wan is casually dispatched.

YouTube video

This video affirms that Anakin is getting stronger and Dooku is showing signs of aging.

Even Force-users are not immune to limitations imposed by old age. I can confirm my point through canonical materials.

Still you can see that Dooku easily subdues Anakin with his Force powers. His decent command of the Force is his best ally in difficult situations.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Makes him a good opponent for someone as brute strength as Anakin or Grievous. It does not make him stronger.

Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior.

In every exchange, Obi-Wan gave ground. It was his way. And he knew that to strike Anakin down would burn his own heart to ash.

From novelization.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Anakin is more powerful though.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You underestimate Ventress. She was able to defeat Kit Fisto, and hold off Kenobi and Skywalker simultaneously.

And Malgus' prominent opponents were not weaklings either. Kao alone seems to be far stronger and skilled then Assaj.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am very familiar wit TOR videos, thank you. I am a subscriber. Whether or not Malgus would defeat Assaj isn't the question. Whether he could defeat her drugged and blind while she had 2 other Jedi assisting her is a question.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I should have specified, nothing to put her above Yoda.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
ROTS Sidious did something similar with some of the most skilled blademasters in the Order. Satele killing featless Sith fodder isn't that great. Yoda was able to outduel this same ROTS Sidious.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
How powerful were the warriors?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because Yoda effortlessly disarmed Dooku's most powerful assassin.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And killed 2 of the Royal Guard with a gesture of his hand.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
ROTS Sidious did something similar with some of the most skilled blademasters in the Order.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Satele killing featless Sith fodder isn't that great. Yoda was able to outduel this same ROTS Sidious.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Darth Tyranus did something similar against Yoda. Not that impressive.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Does that match Yoda blasting away armies of battledroids with his TK?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Big deal, Shaak Ti did that against Grievous. When she absorbs lighting on the level of Palpatine then I'll be impressed.

Still this is irrelevant. We are talking about Yoda and not Shaak Ti. Has he demonstrated this feat?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Impressive. Nothing Yoda can't do.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yoda is the master of Form IV you won't get more acrobatics than that.

So was Qui-Gon but he was no Satete.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Lol I've been a member here since '07. Your condescending tone won't save your argument.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
In an enclosed setting, where Palpatine did sense Anakin's presence closing. Rematch in the Grand Convocation chamber and Windu would be stomped.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Bastilla states that they are no match for the Dark Lord. This is not the Jedi Master Bastilla, Padawan Bastilla (arguably Knight) and Padawan Revan with a Republic war hero vs. The Dark Lord of the Sith.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also surely his time on Korriban got him in touch with the Light and Dark Sides making him into the Revan we saw fight the Emperor.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am thinking Mace would destroy Malgus in a duel.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As a whole. Not every individual.

Here is the full video:

YouTube video

This video affirms that Anakin is getting stronger and Dooku is showing signs of aging.

Even Force-users are not immune to limitations imposed by old age. I can confirm my point through canonical materials.

Still you an see that Dooku easily subdues Anakin with his Force powers. His decent command of the Force is his best ally in difficult situations.

Read this:
Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior.

In every exchange, Obi-Wan gave ground. It was his way. And he knew that to strike Anakin down would burn his own heart to ash.

From novelization.

Debatable. Anakin, as of ROTS, could not subdue Obi-Wan.

I don't underestimate Ventress. None of these individuals matched Count Dooku' command of the Force.

And Malgus' prominent opponents were not weaklings either. Kao alone seems to be far stronger and skilled then Assaj.

Malgus actually would. Assaj is a joke in comparison.

She has her share of limitations and strengths and same is true for Yoda.

Your example is irrelevant.

Strong enough to tolerate grenade explosions near them.

You need to understand that Assaj is not noted for her command in the Force. She was helpless against Force based attacks from Count Dooku; no wonder Yoda could do that to her.

Those guards were not Force-users. They were absolutely vulnerable.

In Yoda' point of view. Apart from Mace, I did not find others very impressive.

Yoda maybe more skilled lightsaber duelist but Satele compensates with her extreme acrobatics and proficiency in Tutaminis.

Yoda is noted for his speed. Malgus is noted for his strength. There is difference.

Yes. That Force power destroyed a large object which would be more heavy then many many human sized droids put together. Would they stand a chance against such power if placed in path?
No, no not at all. Not when it's Thousands of Droids. And certainly does not match Yoda's TKing 4 landing craft.

[QUOTE]
It is BIG DEAL. Also, provide some details about this event involving Shaak Ti.

Still this is irrelevant. We are talking about Yoda and not Shaak Ti. Has he demonstrated this feat?

Really? It is not gospel that Yoda can do everything. Now show me similar feat from Yoda.

Nice.
So was Qui-Gon but he was no Satete.

Much to learn you still have, my very old apprentice. [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not with lightsaber and Force lightning. However, it is not impossible to defeat Mace.

Ranks are not important. Also, see my debate with neph in this regard.

Depends upon the circumstances and how Malgus fights him. The latter is known to exploit his surroundings and use Force powers other then Force Lightning.

Jesus Yoda, your arguments make Legend look like a debating God.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Jesus Yoda, your arguments make Legend look like a debating God.

Legend has yet to prove anything. And yet he is a debating God? Pass whatever you are smoking please.
He thinks Satele Shan is powerful because she does fancy jumping tricks and can block lightsaber blows.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Legend has yet to prove anything. And yet he is a debating God? Pass whatever you are smoking please.
He thinks Satele Shan is powerful because she does fancy jumping tricks and can block lightsaber blows.

Jesus Yoda, your arguments make Legend look like a debating God.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Reading Comprehension ftw.

You are missing the point. The point of this thread was to find the community's consensus on Darth Malak's placement, not debate Malgus' place in the PT power scale, which it has become. Legend isn't even making a point, admittedly neither am I because we are off topic. I don't see how I could make him look like a debating God when neither of us are even making points anymore. This thread has become a cock fight of 'WHY DID YOU PUT THIS PERSON HIGHER THAN THIS PERSON ON THE GAUNTLET'.

So returning to the Opening statements
1. Kit Fisto
2. ROTS Ob-Wan
3. ROTS Anakin (Zonakin restricted)
4. Darth Malgus
5. Grand Master Satele Shan
6. Count Dooku
7. Mace Windu
8. Master Yoda
9. ROTS Sidious

I don't see why Regular Malak should even be capable of defeating Obi-Wan to be honest. Certainly not just after duelling Kit Fisto. Star Forge Malak wouldn't get past Malgus.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
My friend being referred to as unstoppable is really not that great. The Empire was an unstoppable force, and yet it was stopped, by one of the smallest galactic military forces in history at that.

The term 'nearly unstoppable' has been used to give a hint about Malak' power during the Battle of Rakata Prime. What this suggests is that Malak was very strong by that time. He presented considerable challenge to any potential adversary.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes, but this duel proves that Anakin is a much worse opponent to Tyranus than Kenobi is or ever was.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And yet people like Vitiate, Yoda and Palpatine are the strongest in their era and the oldest.

Example of Yoda:

The Convocation Center of the Galactic Senate was a drum-mounted dome more than a kilometer in diameter; even with the aid of the Force, Yoda was breathing hard by the time he reached its edge.

Example of Sidious:

The base of the Arena was a hundred meters below, littered with twisted scraps and jags of metal from the pods destroyed in the battle, and as the little green freak fell, finally, above, the victorious shadow became once again only Palpatine: a very old, very tired man, gasping for air as he leaned on the pod's rail.

Regarding Vitiate:

Vitiate gained immortality. He was not aging.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Decent command of the Force? Unless your name is Yoda or Sidious, Dooku is more powerful in the force than anyone in the PT.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The novelization excludes the fact that 5 minutes before the Duel Anakin was crying over his massacre of the Separatist Council. Soon after he force choked his wife. Add that to the fact that he was dueling his father figure who was a master of defense, Anakin was at a disadvantage.

And you are forgetting one crucial philosophy of Sith; they use their emotions to fuel their power.

Anakin was fighting on the basis of the Sith philosophy.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And yet with clarity he could defeat Dooku.

A > B

Therefore, A > C too.

Am I right?

Try to understand the dynamic nature of Star Wars.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If we are going by showings Kao was also more impressive than Ven Zallow, and yet Master Zallow is more reputable.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Please prove that Malgus has Force sight. Because if he doesn't he is not going to defeat three invisible opponents.

Malgus relented in his attack, backed off a few steps, and reached out through the Force. Immediately he felt the faint, intentionally suppressed signature of another light-side user to his right. The Jedi's ally was hidden in the rubble, moving closer.

Malgus loosed a furious series of overhand strikes that forced the Zabrak to retreat rapidly. Sidestepping a stab from the Jedi, Malgus rode his motion into a Force-augmented side spinning side kick that hit the Jedi in the ribs and sent him cartwheeling into the wall of nearby building. At the same time, he reached out with the Force for the hidden light-side user, brushed aside the resistance he felt, and pulled the Jedi out of hiding.

A human male in his twenties rose up out of ruins, dangling like a fish on the hook of Malgus' power. His legs kicked futilely; the green blade of his lightsaber cut at empty air; he gagged as Malgus' power squeezed shut his throat.

"Vorin!" shouted the Zabrak.

"So much for your ambush," Malgus said, and closed his fist, crushing Vorin's windpipe. He let the body fall to the charred earth. (From SWTOR: TTL)

And not to forget, Malgus was wounded prior to this battle. He was not in good shape.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Concession accepted. Yoda is clearly Satele's superior. When Satele shows the TK to force push armies back and smash two of these. Come back. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/C-9979_landing_craft

Satele Shan actually turned the tide of the war in Alderaan. The Sith were winning before her arrival. Does this gives you any hint?

Note this about Satele;

The Grand Master possessed prodigious Force powers. (Fatal Alliance Novel)

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No, not at all. People of Yoda's calibur have defeated seasoned bladesmasters like Kit Fisto in seconds. Fisto has proven to be on the same level of Kenobi.

Her speed and decisiveness in combat were unbelievable. (Fatal Alliance Novel)

Still the example you provided is irrelevant because Sidious used the lightsaber to kill those 3 Jedi.

Satele used a special Force power to instantly kill 3 Sith Marauders simultaneously.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
They were clad in advanced Sith battle armor from head to toe.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Ragdolling Kenobi and Skywalker isn't impressive? I beg to differ.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
As much as I hate using the Wookiepedia
"Each recruit was scrutinized to fit select size, strength, intelligence and loyalty requirements, as well as latent Force sensitivity." -Article on Royal Guards

Only the most promising of the Imperial ranks were selected for Royal Guard duty, based on stringent requirements of size, strength, intelligence, and loyalty.

Now where is the evidence of these guards being Force-users?

Also, here is similar showing from Satele:

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Agen Kolar dominated Quinlan Vos. The same Quinlan Vos who defeated Sora Bulq.
Kit Fisto fought on par with Grievous. Grievous was capable of outdueling 5 Jedi including Shaak Ti and Ki-Adi Mundi.

To give you an idea; young Malgus cut down Kao - a highly skilled and powerful Jedi Master. Several years later, Satele manhandled a stronger incarnation of Malgus. There is no comparison.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You can't be serious. Yoda has shown more acrobatics than Satele. You are grasping at straws here. And Yoda has also shown excellent mastery of Tutaminis.

However, Satele also performs stunning acrobatics regardless of her size:

And we have not seen Yoda blocking a lightsabet strike with hands like Satele. She holds her own.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Shaak Ti has also absorbed saber blows with her bare hands. Satele's feats put her at around Shaak Ti's level and that's generous.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Disarming Palpatine actually proves that Yoda is extremely strong. If Yoda could lock blades with people like Palpatine and Dooku who have Mace-level strength, he is strong. Or do I need to remind you that Mace Windu beat through an army of Super Battle Droids with his bear hands.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No, no not at all. Not when it's Thousands of Droids. And certainly does not match Yoda's TKing 4 landing craft.

A boulder of this size would be extremely heavy; weighing hundreds of tons or possibly more. Satele' power shattered it into tiny pieces.

And keep in mind that this is not the maximum from Satete. She was a Jedi Knight during this time.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
She blocked GG's blow. She was sent flying because the General was ridiculously strong, but she still blocked the blow.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because Yoda is far more powerful than Shaak Ti and there is nothing suggesting he could not match that feat.

Yoda has his own share of talents and skills.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
When has Yoda needed to?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070901030607/starwars/images/a/a6/YodaCatch-hd.jpg

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Lol in his prime Qui-Gon sparred on par with Mace Windu.
And also Qui-Gon was a master of Ataru, Yoda was the Master of Ataru.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Cute.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No, but let's see how Mace handles having the Senate thrown at him.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No Revan and Bastilla are featless. So they are irrelevant.

The quest for the Star Forge, which spanned worlds, kept Revan and Bastila working side-by-side, and thrust Bastila into difficult and challenging roles as a Jedi. (Official databank)

How can one remain featless after going through this?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
His most notable kill is Ven Zallow. Ven Zallow cannot compare to the man who reinvented form VII and is a master of Shatterpoints. Malgus would be reduced to a little cyborg ball by Windu.