"classic" Juggernaut was supposed to be unstoppable (which is why he is named "Juggernaut"😉 and that clearly wasn't the case (WarHulk, WWH, Godblast).
He's 95% hype, with a few high-end feats to fan the flames of such talk.
Captain Universe nearly murdered him, Savage Hulk thrashed him around, Void would stomp him.
Originally posted by janus77
"classic" Juggernaut was supposed to be unstoppable (which is why he is named "Juggernaut"😉 and that clearly wasn't the case (WarHulk, WWH, Godblast).He's 95% hype, with a few high-end feats to fan the flames of such talk.
Captain Universe nearly murdered him, Savage Hulk thrashed him around, Void would stomp him.
Thor had to strip Cain of his protective aura before he could hurt him.
Originally posted by janus77
"classic" Juggernaut was supposed to be unstoppable (which is why he is named "Juggernaut"😉 and that clearly wasn't the case (WarHulk, WWH, Godblast).He's 95% hype, with a few high-end feats to fan the flames of such talk.
Captain Universe nearly murdered him, Savage Hulk thrashed him around, Void would stomp him.
War Hulk didn't fight classic juggernaut. He fought a Juggernaut who'd lost a lot of his power and exotic abilities to Doctor Strange for some reason I can't remember. And even then, Hulk was powered by tech of a race of the most powerful beings in the entire marvel universe.
WWH also didn't fight classic juggernaut, as when Cyttorak gave him back his powers, they were still diminished from their original levels. And WWH didn't stop him. They locked up and Cain was pushing him back, then Hulk used his momentum against him. He ran him into the lake, then he ran away.
The GodBlast didn't stop him. It slowed him down, and then he began pushing against it and the ground couldn't hold up to the opposing forces. And that was the same GodBlast used against Galactus, despite fanboy belief.
Universe didn't nearly murder anybody. He sneak attacked him and destroyed his helmet, then used Cosmic level telepathy on him. When they fought again Cain handed him his ass.
When he and Savage Hulk, big red outperformed mean green. And since this is classic, with forcefield, invulnerability, leveling strength and access to feats of high end magic. If anything I say stalemate, unless Cain just does like Thor.
Originally posted by KingD19
War Hulk didn't fight classic juggernaut. He fought a Juggernaut who'd lost a lot of his power and exotic abilities to Doctor Strange for some reason I can't remember. And even then, Hulk was powered by tech of a race of the most powerful beings in the entire marvel universe.WWH also didn't fight classic juggernaut, as when Cyttorak gave him back his powers, they were still diminished from their original levels. And WWH didn't stop him. They locked up and Cain was pushing him back, then Hulk used his momentum against him. He ran him into the lake, then he ran away.
The GodBlast didn't stop him. It slowed him down, and then he began pushing against it and the ground couldn't hold up to the opposing forces. And that was the same GodBlast used against Galactus, despite fanboy belief.
Universe didn't nearly murder anybody. He sneak attacked him and destroyed his helmet, then used Cosmic level telepathy on him. When they fought again Cain handed him his ass.
When he and Savage Hulk, big red outperformed mean green. And since this is classic, with forcefield, invulnerability, leveling strength and access to feats of high end magic. If anything I say stalemate, unless Cain just does like Thor.
Can you verify that Cain was depowered at that period in time? What book was it stated that Strange did this, and was it respected by the author as canon at that point in time? The harness that Hulk wore did not make him do anything that he was incapable of doing on his own, it just allowed him to focus his rage better. If that same device were to be placed on Captain America it would not increase his strength.
Originally posted by KingD19nice ownage
War Hulk didn't fight classic juggernaut. He fought a Juggernaut who'd lost a lot of his power and exotic abilities to Doctor Strange for some reason I can't remember. And even then, Hulk was powered by tech of a race of the most powerful beings in the entire marvel universe.WWH also didn't fight classic juggernaut, as when Cyttorak gave him back his powers, they were still diminished from their original levels. And WWH didn't stop him. They locked up and Cain was pushing him back, then Hulk used his momentum against him. He ran him into the lake, then he ran away.
The GodBlast didn't stop him. It slowed him down, and then he began pushing against it and the ground couldn't hold up to the opposing forces. And that was the same GodBlast used against Galactus, despite fanboy belief.
Universe didn't nearly murder anybody. He sneak attacked him and destroyed his helmet, then used Cosmic level telepathy on him. When they fought again Cain handed him his ass.
When he and Savage Hulk, big red outperformed mean green. And since this is classic, with forcefield, invulnerability, leveling strength and access to feats of high end magic. If anything I say stalemate, unless Cain just does like Thor.
Originally posted by KingD19The god blast pushed him back actually. Not just slowed him.The GodBlast didn't stop him. It slowed him down, and then he began pushing against it and the ground couldn't hold up to the opposing forces. And that was the same GodBlast used against Galactus, despite fanboy belief.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
nice ownage
A lot of what he said was filled with opinion not fact. it was true that when Cain first locked up with WW Hulk and took the beating, that he was still not at full power, but try proving that he was still not at full power during the second clash.
The same applies for his run in with War Hulk. These claims need to be proven before they can be believed, or taken for anything more than opinion.
Originally posted by janus77
"Classic" Savage Hulk, ripped Nightmare's head off, in his own dimension.Nightmare has nightmares about Hulk, to this day, so ... not impressed with a "standstill".
Did Nightmare at this time have the power to trap Eternity AND be above classic strange's ability to defeat? And was he corrupting an entire multiverse of earths?
I also don't remember that happening in Nightmare's dimension either.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Did Nightmare at this time have the power to trap Eternity AND be above classic strange's ability to defeat? And was he corrupting an entire multiverse of earths?
Hulk ripped him to pieces on Nightmare Island, but that was prior to the whole M-day business (and long before Planet Hulk).
He's also scared him a few times since then, I think once Strange bfr'd Hulk to Nightmare's dimension and made Nightmare cry or some such.
Also, the business of trapping and corrupting... those are feats of prep. and scheming, not demonstrations of innate raw power.
Doom has taken Beyonder's powers... doesn't make Doom losing to Sentry any more impressive.