In regards to this thread, Juggernaut's very tough to kill (Particularly when his filled with hate or whatever) but his powers managed to end Loki who's also nigh impossible to end through conventional means and he overpowered Molecule Man etc. As such, his the clear winner here. Wouldn't be surprised if he even killed Cain.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Did Nightmare at this time have the power to trap Eternity AND be above classic strange's ability to defeat? And was he corrupting an entire multiverse of earths?I also don't remember that happening in Nightmare's dimension either.
I missed this the first time around, talk about excluding f*cking context.
Nightmare didn't trap shit, Eternity allowed himself to be bound because why the hell not, their actions are irrelevant to him:
As you can see by the quick and effortless ownage, Nightmare was no threat.
In regards to the battle with Strange, the only reason Nightmare wasn't beaten this time around (Which from what I can tell is how it usually goes) was because he learned some kind of counter-spell to turn the eye against Strange:
Not sure how he learned the spell or whatever but IIRC, Strange bested him in their next encounter. For the record, just because this was "classic" Strange, it doesn't mean his some all powerful sorcerer.
What's this about the Multiverse by the way? I don't remember any of that in the comic.
Here's Juggernaut's battle with Nightmare for those who are interested:
A good showing (Juggernaut's best in regards to power) but ultimately irrelevant, he lost any mystic might he learned in Oblivion.
Originally posted by Stoic
Can you verify that Cain was depowered at that period in time? What book was it stated that Strange did this, and was it respected by the author as canon at that point in time? The harness that Hulk wore did not make him do anything that he was incapable of doing on his own, it just allowed him to focus his rage better. If that same device were to be placed on Captain America it would not increase his strength.
actually what apocalypse did to hulk was much more than focus his "rage". it allowed him to harness the energy of the heroes reborn universe as well as the 616 universe, due to hulk being in 1, and banner in the other.
it was also stated that juggernauts magic (the crismson bands of cyttorak) didnt function against this new energy hulk was emitting. dr strange cast the bands around hulk (in issue 450 i believe) and they busted like glass because of hulks green aura (the same one he engulfed his body in, which in turn negated juggernauts magic, which is why he stopped him).
as to the fight at hand, i doubt juggernaut would win the fight... although a full powered juggernaut wouldnt be harmed either 😉
Originally posted by KillAll
actually what apocalypse did to hulk was much more than focus his "rage". it allowed him to harness the energy of the heroes reborn universe as well as the 616 universe, due to hulk being in 1, and banner in the other.it was also stated that juggernauts magic (the crismson bands of cyttorak) didnt function against this new energy hulk was emitting. dr strange cast the bands around hulk (in issue 450 i believe) and they busted like glass because of hulks green aura (the same one he engulfed his body in, which in turn negated juggernauts magic, which is why he stopped him).
as to the fight at hand, i doubt juggernaut would win the fight... although a full powered juggernaut wouldnt be harmed either 😉
All the 'tech' did was to regulate them so that WarHulk couldn't amp like classic Hulk could, it allowed him to operate at an elevated but constant level (basically twice as strong as he was prior to the procedure).
Originally posted by Damborgson
The god blast pushed him back actually. Not just slowed him.
Juggernaut was standing still when Thor hit him with it and that moved Jugs back a step. Jugs then started moving forward overpowering the Godblast.
the whole, you cant stop the juggernaut thing is about once he gets his forward momentum, not knocking him back while he is standing still.
Originally posted by AaklaStop watching X-Men The Last STand and read comic appearances of Juggernaut.
Juggernaut was standing still when Thor hit him with it and that moved Jugs back a step. Jugs then started moving forward overpowering the Godblast.the whole, you cant stop the juggernaut thing is about once he gets his forward momentum, not knocking him back while he is standing still.
Originally posted by janus77
Apocalypse's Celestial artefacts didn't give Hulk access to the powers of the Heroes Reborn universe, Hulk was the nexus between both universes before and after that. Those energies were running through him all along.All the 'tech' did was to regulate them so that WarHulk couldn't amp like classic Hulk could, it allowed him to operate at an elevated but constant level (basically twice as strong as he was prior to the procedure).
yes, but it also negated juggernauts magic (proved when he stopped juggernauts charge, a magic attack, and also when hulk shattered the crimson bands of cyttorak like glass, when dr strange cast them when he has NEVER done that before 😉)
so thats all i was trying to say thanks for agreeing with me 😄
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus👆
In regards to this thread, Juggernaut's very tough to kill (Particularly when his filled with hate or whatever) but his powers managed to end Loki who's also nigh impossible to end through conventional means and he overpowered Molecule Man etc. As such, his the clear winner here. Wouldn't be surprised if he even killed Cain.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWasnt it confirmed that Loki allowed it to happen?
In regards to this thread, Juggernaut's very tough to kill (Particularly when his filled with hate or whatever) but his powers managed to end Loki who's also nigh impossible to end through conventional means and he overpowered Molecule Man etc. As such, his the clear winner here. Wouldn't be surprised if he even killed Cain.
"Stop watching X-Men The Last STand and read comic appearances of Juggernaut." (sorry my quote key didn't work for some reason)
It was from comics (x-force) when x-force and spiderman went up against juggernaut. I think Warpath knocked down Juggernaut after Shatterstar cut up his face or something. Juggernaut got up and said something along the lines of "you don't get it to you? knock me down 100 times and I'll get up the 101st just as fresh as ever"
as for the forward momentum, that's been stated about juggernaut since day 1.
the only thing Juggernaut did in the x-men movie was break his neck running into a brick wall.
