Amaterasu runs a Darkstalkers gauntlet

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
So you scream at me for using Demitri's ending becaise it's NON CANON but yet you provide NON CANON source for Morrigan's "Nigh Omnipotence"?

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Also I knew you'd use that Graphic file as the source, hell it's even in the link I posted before.
Look just because it says "Special" doesn't mean strongest or most powerful just means special since she was born an S class right?

But just because she was born an S class doesn't mean we should assume she increased to S+ when grown up at 2/3 of her power.

Hell, Jedah's class has never been confirmed to be lowered when weakened after Ozom betrayed him.

And since you like using non canon evidence I'd say Anita is still lower than Belial since Jedah owned her in the manga.

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1. No body screamed at you, son.

2. You used an ending that is refuted in actual canon.

3. I posted a comic scan that illustrated a canon event in greater detail. The event in the scan is the moment at which Belial is splittin Morrigan's power. He is narroratin the event. Not only is this true, it's been displayed about a billion times that UDON has to remain faithful to the characters in order to get approved by Capcom USA and JP. Many events are not canon, but how they are portrayed are always canon.

No. It means, she's "special" above all Darkstalkers. Belial, who is virtually invincible to all but himself, would not appoint an heir who would be destroyed by his rivals. Not only do you have this simple logic to dictate decisions, it even says she's "special above all Darkstalkers". Denyin the fact that she's clearly the most powerful is just asinine.

If she's an S class baby, Belial picks her out as his heiress, looks into her future, hundreds of year before that point, states how she would destroy Makai and splits her power; it's damn easy to use common logic to assume that when she grows up, like her old man, she will be S+. There is no way around this simple logic. At 2/3 of her power her power she is still S Class. Jedah, still weak, soul raped an A+ demon. If 2/3 Morri wasn't S Class, he woulda just had Morrigan fuse with Lilith and took her powers. There wouldn't have even been a need to suck her in the Majigen and he coulda just fought her directly, he did not, cuz he's too weak.

😂 Jedah's class is confirmed. He killed A+ Class Ozom, easily. He's still S. Even when weakened.

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1. What manga is this?

2. Is it made by UDON?

3. Jedah "owning" Anita never happened in canon. The event I posted did and is confirmed to have happend. So yeah. . .

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Oh really? The Morrigan who avoids Demitri at all costs is beyond Jedah? 😆
Jedah doesn't want Morrigan's power unless you're using Non canon evidence.

Oh right so I guess Mortal Pyron is a Non corporeal being that is Millions of times Faster Than Light, can pull Planets out of their orbit and wear them as jewellery?

She avoids Demitri, cuz he's boring.

Oh, Jedah's desire of Morri's power aint canon

FAQ
Due to Jedah's plot, Lilith was able to attain a body. In return, Lilith
was to lure Morrigan and the other darkstalkers. Morrigan's true powers were
something that Jedah could not overlook.

"Mortal" Pyron can destroy galaxies. 😆 Giant Pyron can wear galaxies for rings.

Originally posted by No End N Site
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3. I posted a comic scan that illustrated a [b]canon event in greater detail. The event in the scan is the moment at which Belial is splittin Morrigan's power. He is narroratin the event. Not only is this true, it's been displayed about a billion times that UDON has to remain faithful to the characters in order to get approved by Capcom USA and JP. Many events are not canon, but how they are portrayed are always canon.

No. It means, she's "special" above all Darkstalkers. Belial, who is virtually invincible to all but himself, would not appoint an heir who would be destroyed by his rivals. Not only do you have this simple logic to dictate decisions, it even says she's "special above all Darkstalkers". Denyin the fact that she's clearly the most powerful is just asinine.

😂 Jedah's class is confirmed. He killed A+ Class Ozom, easily. He's still S. Even when weakened.

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1. What manga is this?

2. Is it made by UDON?

"Mortal" Pyron can destroy galaxies. 😆 Giant Pyron can wear galaxies for rings. [/B]

Greater detail doesn't make it canon, it hasn't been confirmed.

You can't just call someone Nigh Omnipotent from a statement.
Nigh Omnipotents require universal feats; they aren't like Omnipotents who usually get away with statements.
Belial could've been considered Omnipotent but he got damaged by distorted Space and he also died which makes it even worse for him.

I know Jedah was S class when weakened thank you for repeating what I've saying.

It's the manga with Lilith as the main character.

And why're you using false feats for Pyron?
Since when did Mortal Pyron even destroy a Galaxy?
The most impressive feat from Mortal Pyron is that he can Shrink and Teleport entire constellations and make them supernova during battle.
True Pyron is stated to be larger than 400, 000 lightyears; which is bigger than the Milky Way Galaxy. True Pyron could possible have Multi Galaxy destructive capacity by virtue of his size only.

And about the classes; I think there are various tiers within each class for example (I'll obviously make a few up):
Emperor Ozom- A+(Mid)
True Pyron- A+(High)
Weakened Jedah- S(Low)
Jedah- S(High)
etc...

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Greater detail doesn't make it canon, it hasn't been confirmed.

To bad the event ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN CANON AND IS CONFIRMED. There is nothing to dispute it and that excerpt isn't even part of the regular comic, it's just Morrigan's back story told in comic form. There's no reason to doubt Belial's claims.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
You can't just call someone Nigh Omnipotent from a statement.
Nigh Omnipotents require universal feats; they aren't like Omnipotents who usually get away with statements.
Belial could've been considered Omnipotent but he got damaged by distorted Space and he also died which makes it even worse for him.

The fact about her being called nigh-omnipotent by a character who is PROVEN to be nigh-omniscient and omnipresent is brought up to display the fact that she would reem Jedah, a FACT you refuse to accept. And Belail died from his own move, it's not like anyone had the power to kill him. It's just a lapse in story logic to get a VERY powerful character out of the plot, so the plot can actually progress.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
I know Jedah was S class when weakened thank you for repeating what I've saying.

No, you just stated that it's not clear what level Jedah is on, when weak. No End just told you what level he was by looking at events in the story. Jedah was still S Class and could not take on Morrigan + Lilith without trickery. Morrigan + Lilith is still clearly S Class, because of this.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
It's the manga with Lilith as the main character.

Capcom just sold the licensee for that manga. It's not the same as having to create a comic and having Capcom JP breathe down your neck to make sure you get the characters right, like in the case of UDON.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And why're you using false feats for Pyron?
Since when did Mortal Pyron even destroy a Galaxy?
The most impressive feat from Mortal Pyron is that he can Shrink and Teleport entire constellations and make them supernova during battle.
True Pyron is stated to be larger than 400, 000 lightyears; which is bigger than the Milky Way Galaxy. True Pyron could possible have Multi Galaxy destructive capacity by virtue of his size only.

Pyron destroys the Triangulum Galaxy in Cosmo Disruption. You should try to do some research before you claim feats to be false. And size alone is not power alone. Destroying something because you're bigger than it is not a feat. Pyron being so big that he can crush galaxies in his hand is not a feat.

The Triangulum constellation is made up of stars and a galaxy. A LARGE galaxy.

More info on the Triangulum
Just press the stop button before Wiki can black you out.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And about the classes; I think there are various tiers within each class for example (I'll obviously make a few up):
Emperor Ozom- A+(Mid)
True Pyron- A+(High)
Weakened Jedah- S(Low)
Jedah- S(High)
etc...

I agree with your finer class ratings, except I'm not ready to put True Pyron in any class because his true power is not even close to known. All people can say is, "HE CANZ DESTROYZ GALAXIES CUZ HE DA BIG FIRE MAN". That isn't enough to put him anywhere.

Yeah, Frisky pretty much got to it before I did. . .

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And about the classes; I think there are various tiers within each class for example (I'll obviously make a few up):
Emperor Ozom- A+(Mid)
True Pyron- A+(High)
Weakened Jedah- S(Low)
Jedah- S(High)
etc...

I agree with this as well. The only tiny thing I don't agree with is Jedah being upper S. At full power, he is mid S. Morrigan is upper S since she can spank Jedah, even at 2/3 of her power.

This says alot about S Class beast tho.

-Anakaris, a B+ demon has the power to create a pocket dimension, remove the whole country of Egypt, drag it 5000 yrs thru time and BFR it to said pocket dimension.

-Pyron at B+ lvls could shrink and destroy entire stars and galaxies.

-Skip A

-An A+ demon can make henchmen outta B+ demons, eg L.Raptor.

-A weak S class beast, fresh from obliteration, can easily remove an A+ Class beast's soul and make a phuckin volatile dimension of horrors out of it. Weak Jedah's power was still felt 5000 years in the past. . .On another plane of existence. This means his low S power was so vast, it could be felt in another existence before he himself was even born. Jedah is only 4000. Anak is 5000 yrs in the past. His will could be felt 1000 phuckin yrs before his own damn birth. In this same low S state, Jedah raped 300+ billion souls and absorbed all the Maryoku from a whole dimension, successfully destroyin the Makai dimension.

-All of that above, is low S. Jedah. He is originally is mid S.

-Morrigan+Lilith is high S. The already established, mighty, Jedah must resort to various plans to have her within his power.

In a in-universe discussion, she stomps anyone who is not Belial, without much question. Anita is about the only person she can't out-right rape. And if you wanna be a jack off, Pyron at full power. But some evidence already points to him being lesser than Jedah.

I guess I agree with you guys except a few things:
Morrigan 2/3 is an S class but I wouldn't put her above Jedah; more around the same level.

Morrigan isn't Nigh Omnipotent because it was only a statement by a NIGH omniscient and could also be a hyperbole statement.

I've heard that Mortal Pyron is A class not B+.

And Holy damn, if Mortal Pyron could do that to Galaxies then imagine the amount of PIS is must've took Demitri to beat him.

I already posted a link where it implies that Pyron is lesser than Jedah.

Jedah didn't destroy all of Makai just the land since it only shows cities being destroyed.

Jedah isn't 4000, he's born somewhere in 4000BC and Darkstalkers takes place in the 1990s; Jedah is around 6000 years old.

Galnan was stated to be once as powerful as Belial so I don't think Morrigan can beat him either.

And a few questions:
Since when is Belial Omnipresent?

What is Maryoku?

Do you guys believe that Jedah's goal is to "reset reality"? If so, why?
I couldn't find any source indicating that but yet some people(not from this forum) believe that is his goal.
I only believe his goal is to fuse all life so there would be no conflict.

Oh and one more question:

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Destroying something because you're bigger than it is not a feat. Pyron being so big that he can crush galaxies in his hand is not a feat.

Why wouldn't it be a feat?
If I were to crush a diamond the size of a small stone between two of my fingers would it not be considered a feat?

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
I guess I agree with you guys except a few things:
Morrigan 2/3 is an S class but I wouldn't put her above Jedah; more around the same level.

Truth is, no one knows since she's never did anything at that power lvl. Savior ends when she fuses.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Morrigan isn't Nigh Omnipotent because it was only a statement by a NIGH omniscient and could also be a hyperbole statement.

Called, nigh omnipotent by a character who is nigh omniscient and totally omnipresent holds more weight than it being a hyperbole statement. The main point is, she's very, very powerful. Beyond the rest of the playable cast.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
I've heard that Mortal Pyron is A class not B+.

He lost to Demitri who was weakened to B+. He couldn't be A Class.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And Holy damn, if Mortal Pyron could do that to Galaxies then imagine the amount of PIS is must've took Demitri to beat him.

Not PIS. Especially since Demitri's only defeat is against a character who it would be feat to even stand in the presence of, let alone tank a time space bustin attack. There is literally no reason to assume Demitri is weaker than Pyron.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
I already posted a link where it implies that Pyron is lesser than Jedah.

I personally believe Pyron, even at full power is much weaker than Jedah. Some don't.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Jedah didn't destroy all of Makai just the land since it only shows cities being destroyed.

Yes he did. You see the cities explode and the baby wakes up in total darkness, when he was originally in a freaky womb.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Jedah isn't 4000, he's born somewhere in 4000BC and Darkstalkers takes place in the 1990s; Jedah is around 6000 years old.

I see. . .point still stands though. His power can be felt 5000 years in the past.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Galnan was stated to be once as powerful as Belial so I don't think Morrigan can beat him either.

Galnan stated to have that power in his prime, he was even weaker than Jedah when he got old. Morrigan would stomp him.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And a few questions:
Since when is Belial Omnipresent?

What is Maryoku?

He says so in the scan right before he splits Morri's power. He then proves it by statin that he had deduced every possible future and saw that in all versions, Morri would destroy herself. He knows so much he knows the future.

Faq
Maryoku, the source of life. And this Maryoku existed as evil souls within
the human world.
They found out that the power that existed in the human world rivaled that
of the three high nobles of Makai.

Maryoku means magic/magical in Japaneses.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Do you guys believe that Jedah's goal is to "reset reality"? If so, why?
I couldn't find any source indicating that but yet some people(not from this forum) believe that is his goal.
I only believe his goal is to fuse all life so there would be no conflict.

Jedah's goal is to take all souls in God's creation and put it in the Shintai. That's all he wants. However, Maryoku is some how tied to the dimensions it's in, as shown when Jedah steals the Maryoku and souls from Makai, the dimension falls apart. So by leavin all of existence void of Maryoku, I can see how people would make that parallel.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Oh and one more question:

Why wouldn't it be a feat?
If I were to crush a diamond the size of a small stone between two of my fingers would it not be considered a feat?

Of course a man crushin a diamond would be a feat. A man crushin a stone would be a feat. But a galaxy to somethin that's 400,000LY large would simply be an apple sized cloud of glowin super-heated dust.

It's not really a big deal for him to crush it. It would be like a man smashin a ball of dirt. In order for Pyron's power to even be gauged, he has to display, at least, some effort in doing somethin in that size. If not, then all you can say is, hes' big and nothin else is kown.

So how exactly does magic in the human world rival the power of the high nobles?

Wasn't the womb in the Majigen not Makai?

There is a reason to assume he's weaker than Pyron since Pyron actually has feats while this was Demitri at 80%.

And BTW your explanation has nothing to do with Omnipresence; do you know what Omnipresent means?

And exactly how large is Makai?
Other than the Main Land having the surface area of a large planet.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
So how exactly does magic in the human world rival the power of the high nobles?

Wasn't the womb in the Majigen not Makai?

There is a reason to assume he's weaker than Pyron since Pyron actually has feats while this was Demitri at 80%.

And BTW your explanation has nothing to do with Omnipresence; do you know what Omnipresent means?

It never states how, just that it does.

One would assume the womb was the in the Majigen, although the entrance to Majigen is stated to be in Makai. Not really sure, though. It would be a wild feat for Jedah to soul rape Makai (300+ billion souls), without even being on he same plane of existence. It would make him very hard to beat in a VS match if he can use, basically, one of the most powerful spiritual feats in VG history without having to be on the battle field, or even near it. We assume the womb is connected to Makai AND the Majigen to make his power less broken, so that characters with souls are not automatically doomed, despite their feats.

That's not a real reason. In order to prove PIS, Demitri has to have a showing that clearly puts him bellow Pyron.

Belail is omnipresent because his body is that of the Makai dimension, so much so that damaging the very fabric of it killed him. He is everywhere because everywhere is a part of his body. He equated ruling Makai to ruling his ow hands.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And exactly how large is Makai?
Other than the Main Land having the surface area of a large planet.

It is never truly stated. The ocean around the mainland is said to be endless (of an undetermined size) and there are stated to be multiple dimensional planes connected to Makai, one of which Galnan operated from. Beyond the miasma is almost completely unknown. Although it is hinted that there is yet another dimension beyond the miasma.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Belail is omnipresent because his body is that of the Makai dimension, so much so that damaging the very fabric of it killed him. He is everywhere because everywhere is a part of his body. He equated ruling Makai to ruling his ow hands.

You never thought that was metaphorical? If not then perhaps he's only omnipresent in the Makai.

One final question:
When Jedah destroys Makai we see him do it by mearly raising his arms; would that be an Energetic, magic or reality warping destuctive feat?

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
You never thought that was metaphorical? If not then perhaps he's only omnipresent in the Makai.

One final question:
When Jedah destroys Makai we see him do it by mearly raising his arms; would that be an Energetic, magic or reality warping destuctive feat?

It could not be metaphorical since ripping the fabric actually killed him. He could be only omnipresent in Makai, but given the multiversal sensory abilities of much weaker characters like Jedah, who can pin-point characters and their surroundings from an entirely different universe, it's safe to assume that Belial is one with Makai due to his vast power. Since he was a being born IN Makai, not AS Makai, it's safe to assume he has the power to merge with dimensions. OR is so powerful that merging with dimensions is a side effect of his immense power. Note, that despite Morrigan also being the rightful ruler of Makai, she did not gain this power, so it is indeed specific to him and isn't just an ability granted to the true ruler of the dimension.

It's energy, magic, and spiritual given the nature of Maryoku and what happens to a world without it, although Jedah is capable of nifty reality warping.

I would just like to toss this the f**k out there. The billions soul rape and apocalypse of Makai, was done by a low end Jedah. Thus the need for Majigen in the 1st damn place. So no one can really say the maximum effectiveness of anything he does.

Thanks for everything guys except Pyron's Cosmo Disruption move wouldn't really be a feat since it could just be gamplay mechanics.
Mortal Pyron probably ain't no Galaxy buster.

No problem and sorry to say, but you linked us to a mass of dudes (maybe some chicks) who lacked the proper knowledge of the series.

1. Pyron's Cosmo Disruption isn't a feat. It's special move.

2. Pyron's 400k LY in size. The Milky Way is 100,000 light years in size. He's 4X larger than the Milky Way. But the Milky Way is considered a very large galaxy. Most galaxies in the universe are only around 10k LY in size. Pyron is about 40X larger than the average galaxy. So summonin a galaxy that' 30LY around would be easy for him to do.

3. No one even explained how it was just "gameplay". It was as if no one had even seen the move before. 😆 People are tryin to debate games that they've never even played. . .or seen. Lmbao

When you don't hold down the buttons

When you do hold down the buttons.

He does an even stronger version of the move.

And here's even a pic of an explodin galaxy, notice the disc, just like in Pyron's move.

He summons the constellations to the battle field and they explode. Not to mention that when he's electrified, you can see stars and galaxies inside him as his skeleton. And here's a pro tip, constellations are made up of stars, but from a distance, galaxies and even planets can look like stars, thus you have galaxies and planets as part of constellations. S if from a distance, a galaxy can look like a star, when it is shrunken, a a galaxy will look like a star as well. Thus stars in constellations that aint really stars are called stars anyway.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Thanks for everything guys except Pyron's Cosmo Disruption move wouldn't really be a feat since it could just be gamplay mechanics.
Mortal Pyron probably ain't no Galaxy buster.

Hmmm........I see a few familiar persona's there, from KMC. No matter, the situation is correctly explained in the post after the one in which I am quoting. To assume Pyron is imitating constellations in this attack is giving Pyron powers in which he is never stated to have. Which is NOT correct by any stretch.

However, it is shown that Pyron can shrink, not only himself, but planets as well. Being the massive entity he is, it's safe to assume that he can shrink stars and galaxies, too. It should also be worth mentioning that Pyron also has the ability to create copies of himself through Shining Gemini, a copy that can also do his supers and EXs, virtually making it possible to do double Cosmo Disruptions.

All evidence points to them being actual shrunken stars and galaxies. And given quotes like this, by Pyron,

Pyron
I have crushed stars! What chance have you against me!

The need to create replicas of constellations, is next to nonexistent.

Another thing I found that runs rampant in that discussion is this need to place imaginary limits on Mini Pyron. It is stated that his shrunken form is limited, but never states to any degree. Near the size of the Earth, he is shown being capable of shrinking it. Who is to say that he loses this ability to shrink or manipulate celestial objects when he is small? No one is at liberty to make such a claim without proof. To say otherwise would simply be an example of "reaching".

This "mortal Pyron is a galaxy buster" shit needs to stop.

This is the evidence being used as proof of the fact.

Nowhere is it made clear if Pyron is transporting the actual Triangulum galaxy or just creating his own smaller imitation of one (Though that would still be impressive). Claiming so casually that he is a galaxy buster based on that is incredibly faulty.

No, what needs to stop is people inventing wild elements that do not occur in the sources or the games to explain away things they don't like. He's already shown the ability to shrink things. You need to stick to the facts.

This is ridiculous. The source clearly states what's going on with the entire attack, it speaks nothing of replication and he is shown having the power to shrink celestial objects. With out proof, if you describe the move in any other way, you're just reaching. And it's a deplorable practice.

Nope.

You're looking at that vague information and assuming he is shrinking several constellations, teleporting them to his position, exploding them, then returning them.

So please do try harder than this.