Superman Blue Vs Silver Surfer

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Superman wins 7/10.

Fiendish Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
I did some digging and looks like Surfer has THE worst record against energy draining than ANY herald.

You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.

Against Motherboard

Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.

Against stranger

The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.

Against demonstar

In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.

Dynamo city

The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.

Captain reptyl

The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.

Some space pirates

Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.

Dampyre

The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.

Iron man

The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.

Random minions of Pluto.

As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.

Rulk

That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.

Sonic shark

Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Another tech drainage

Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

High evolutionary

Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Against random energy leecher.

Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.

Doom's device.

Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.

Again.

Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.

Kree starwheel.

The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.

Random solar energy absorber.

You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.

Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.

Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.

The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.

In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.

The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.

The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.

Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.

The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.

The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.

As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.

That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.

Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.

Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.

Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.

The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.

You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.

Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.

Plus, there's Norrin draining the Uni Lord.

deathslash Pyromaniacal Humanitarian

Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.

Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.

The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.

In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.

The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.

The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.

Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.

The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.

The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.

As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.

That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.

Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.

Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.

Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.

The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.

You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.

Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.

😆 his first post and he already proves abhi to be a giant liar and owns him at the same time? This kid deserves a medal.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Superman Blue draining an amped drainer wins the case for me.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.

Oh really?

Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.

Feats for this "control over all energy" supercomputer?

The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.

And Shang Chi and Black Widow were summoned to fight HOTI Thanos. Your point being? Stranger has no feats at that level.

Yes, because he dodged the energy sphere.


In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.

Not really. Demonstar stopped draining him. He didn't overcome anything.

The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.

That's not Thanos tech. And the same energy draining had no effect on Drax.

The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.

So nothing but whining? How does pre prepped scenarios detract from the point that Surfer is ridiculously easy to drain?

Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.

He overloaded their weapons because they were only able to drain a small amount of his power at a time.

Again with the prep?

The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.

Quasar overloaded him.

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The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.

And? He was just draining a very small amount from him.

As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.

If he can't overcome draining from fodder demons what can he do? He was still getting drained.

That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.

Really? Proof.

Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

What exactly is your point here? And not specifically designed for Surfer. They are just energy absorbers.

Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.

Feats for this "cosmic entity"?

Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.

Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.

Again with the same excuse?

The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.

And Hulk overpowered it.

You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.

That storm was just for the show. And how did it leave him vulnerable exactly?

Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

You're not exactly saying anything new. Are these supposed to make these go away?

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.

Correction. Both Quasar and Krosakis drained surfer. One was not able to fully drain him.

Other was overloaded because he didn't know how much he could absorb.

Surfer doesn't has any counter for energy draining from superior energy manipulators like Energy Superman. He can try to overload him all he like, it's not going to work.

Let me guess, you're from comicvine?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.

Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.

The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.

In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.

The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.

The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.

Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.

The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.

The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.

As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.

That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.

Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.

Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.

Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.

Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.

The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.

You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.

Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.


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celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.


Your explanations for some of those plucked Surfer scans though..
facepalm

Cringeworthy.
I can tell you actually didn't read those stories.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Some of your plucked Surfer scans though..
facepalm

Cringeworthy.
I can tell you actually didn't read those stories.


😂

Are you going to whine here too?

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Are you going to whine here too?


Nah bro.

Few are legit and pretty straightforward. Some look like you literally plucked scans and made some shortsighted explanations. Even ones with clear explanations in your plucked scans.
🙁

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Everything there is legit.

You're just whining now.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by cdtm

Plus, there's Norrin draining the Uni Lord.


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... and returns Uni-Lord's attack ... "a million times over".

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Surfer also destroyed a Solar System after amping himself with what he absorbed:

So, Surfer can easily re-direct vast amounts of energy after absorbing it.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

That's non canon.

😬

Mr Master Junior Member

^^ Really? ... What makes mainstream line 616 Silver Surfer vol 3 #120, "non-canon?"

#121 is completely based off of #120, so I suppose that's "non-canon" as well?

#122, also references the events of #120, so, that's gotta be "non-canon" likewise?

Oh, and the whole Uni-Lord incident is referenced in Surfer's bio. (so, weird)

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Here comes the whole Uni-Lord canonicity debate... 🙁

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's non canon.

😬


Funny you say that, but you post an alternate Surfer getting drained who just recently became empowered.
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Fiendish Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh really?

Feats for this "control over all energy" supercomputer?

Silver Surfer #24 is Motherboard 49.7s sole appearance, if you've read that issue you've seen all its feats.

And Shang Chi and Black Widow were summoned to fight HOTI Thanos. Your point being? Stranger has no feats at that level.

Fair enough.

Not really. Demonstar stopped draining him. He didn't overcome anything.

You're scans end just before the page that demonstrated Surfer being "drained" didn't have the effect on him Demonstar believed it did, he was holding back because he believed they had Shalla Bal captive, as soon as it was revealed they didn't, Surfer effortlessly defeated Demonstar.

That's not Thanos tech. And the same energy draining had no effect on Drax.

Drax breached the city without going through the draining area, he went directly into interior city to meet with Surfer.

So nothing but whining? How does pre prepped scenarios detract from the point that Surfer is ridiculously easy to drain?

You need me to explain the effect prep and knowledge can have in battles? Often in the scenarios without prep (and even some with) Surfer ends up resisting/overcoming/overpowering the drain attempts.

He overloaded their weapons because they were only able to drain a small amount of his power at a time.

He resisted and overloaded their draining attempt. Something you forgot to mention, so you can understand why I assumed you had just missed that part.

Quasar overloaded him.

Makes sense, the Quantum Zone is limitless and Quasar is a better energy manipulator than Surfer.

If he can't overcome draining from fodder demons what can he do? He was still getting drained.

It's an instance where draining was an ineffective tactic against him.

Really? Proof.

I take it you haven't actually read Hulk #12. I can't post links, so if you're actually interested just do a search for "Norrin Radd Earth-90512".

What exactly is your point here? And not specifically designed for Surfer. They are just energy absorbers.

The Sonic Shark was designed specifically to drain cosmic energy, it was General Fredricks's countermeasure against Surfer.

You might want to actually read your scan from Silver Surfer #124 if you think that equipment wasn't specifically designed for Surfer.

Have you read the High Evolutionary Arc? It's clear the High Evolutionary carefully planned and prepped for his encounter with the Surfer.

And Hulk overpowered it.

Hulk's overpowered numerous energy drainers and energy draining devices over the years, that's kinda his thing.

That storm was just for the show. And how did it leave him vulnerable exactly?

How was the storm just for show? The energy discharges from it were clearly destroying things. When Surfer absorbed and redirected the energy of the storm he absorbed the creature right into his body, that's what allowed it to attack him from within.

You're not exactly saying anything new. Are these supposed to make these go away?

With prep, Doom's stolen Galactus and the Beyonder's power before as well. You think him stealing Surfer's power shows a particular weakness for the Surfer?

Correction. Both Quasar and Krosakis drained surfer. One was not able to fully drain him.

Other was overloaded because he didn't know how much he could absorb.


No matter how much energy Quasar drained from Surfer it wasn't slowing Surfer down and yes Surfer simply overloaded Krosakis. In both cases draining was an ineffective tactic, it didn't give them a victory and in Krosakis case it resulted in his loss.

Surfer doesn't has any counter for energy draining from superior energy manipulators like Energy Superman. He can try to overload him all he like, it's not going to work.

Surfer's already had a superior energy manipulator (Quasar) try to drain him in combat, it wasn't effective.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Really? ... What makes mainstream line 616 Silver Surfer vol 3 #120, "non-canon?"

#121 is completely based off of #120, so I suppose that's "non-canon" as well?

#122, also references the events of #120, so, that's gotta be "non-canon" likewise?

Oh, and the whole Uni-Lord incident is referenced in Surfer's bio. (so, weird)


Well, educate yourself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]MYTH

Surfer was cut into pieces and was still alive

First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

Now the reason why that scene can't be used as a proof that surfer can live even cut into pieces is that because HE DIED and his soul was absorbed into a blackbody and he shattered into pieces after that.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p22.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p23.jpg

Unilord made the union and called it Black Surfer

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p09.jpg

While surfer's power was absorbed by twelve individuals which were granted his powers

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p02.jpg

The balck surfer then absorbed surfer's powers back and surfer after getting his body and soul back broke free from blackbody's control

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p22.jpg

That was one of the biggest MYTHS about surfer.

MYTH BUSTED [/B]

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Funny you say that, but you post an alternate Surfer getting drained who just recently became empowered.
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And where exactly is it stated that it was an alternate surfer?