Superman Blue Vs Silver Surfer

But even these feats pale to this. Superman overcomes a magical device which had entrapped the souls of entire Metropolis and return every soul to their own bodies.

http://i.imgur.com/FYzkdrc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MvPz4kU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

Perhaps *THE* energy manipulation feat against magic and soul manipulation among heralds.

Damn.

Edit: it was the souls of whole world.

And it was actually made clear that Superman was still vulnerable to magic.

nuts

Where are the Surfer fanboys? Bueller?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he did not. That's not silver surfer. Just an outrider.

Heimdal could'nt even see it approaching him.

The same with Quasar.

Yet the Silver comet that struct 616 Surfer was not only quit visible and large but easy enough to dodge.

Again it is not an outrider that came out from that rift at the end of the Unilord arc as explained above but rather the Unilord Silver Surfer. Why? Because, he was the only person shown in the whole entire Unilord story to ever enter the rift from the Unilord Universe and + his designate 1-1-1 code was mentioned trance like by 616 Silver Surfer before and after being struct.

And Quasar made it clear that the signal wasn't surfer. It was an outrider.

Again! Unilord Silver Surfer came out of the rift.

I mean this is just staggering amount of lies, strawman and scan manipulation.

😆

Hilarious! Ironic this coming from you.

Originally posted by Ambient
Wrong again Abhi! Those com. sat (outriders) are miniatures and def. not normally visible, totally unlike the silver comet that struct 616 Silver Surfer.

Heimdal could'nt even see it approaching him.

The same with Quasar.

Yet the Silver comet that struct 616 Surfer was not only quit visible and large but easy enough to dodge.

So you're just taking it up by art now, eh?

How amusing.

Again it is not an outrider that came out from that rift at the end of the Unilord arc as explained above but rather the Unilord Silver Surfer. Why? Because, he was the only person shown in the whole entire Unilord story to ever enter the rift from the Unilord Universe and + his designate 1-1-1 code was mentioned trance like by 616 Silver Surfer before and after being struct.

That would be true if the Outrider 7 was in the mind of Surfer. As seen in SS 115, surfer expelled it from his mind.

And it was finally the part of Uni-lord.

And as seen later, Surfer expelled all the souls in the cosmic swell.

It would actually make sense for Outrider to seek out Surfer once again actually after he was released again in the cosmic swell.

He said it was the binary of 7 (outrider 7 - code # 1-1-1 which is the designate of Unilord Silver Surfer).

That would imply Outrider 7 was actually part of Unilord surfer after issue 115. He wasn't.

Again! Unilord Silver Surfer came out of the rift.

Your final lie, eh?

Hilarious! Ironic this coming from you.

You still did not answer the question. Even if I believe unilord surfer merged with 616 Surfer, how does it makes Unilord saga canon for him?

So you're just taking it up by art now, eh?

How amusing.

Come to think of if AMUSING is the wrong word, WTF&@k - is more like it.

JK Abhi.

That would be true if the Outrider 7 was in the mind of Surfer. As seen in SS 115, surfer expelled it from his mind.

And as seen later, Surfer expelled all the souls in the cosmic swell

That would imply Outrider 7 was actually part of Unilord surfer after issue 115. He wasn't.

Props for trying Abhi!

You still did not answer the question. Even if I believe unilord surfer merged with 616 Surfer, how does it makes Unilord saga canon for him?

Well the answer is ......

It's self explanatory.

Originally posted by Ambient

Wrong again Abhi! Those com. sat (outriders) are miniatures and def. not normally visible, totally unlike the silver comet that struct 616 Silver Surfer.

Heimdal could'nt even see it approaching him.

The same with Quasar.

Yet the Silver comet that struct 616 Surfer was not only quit visible and large but easy enough to dodge.

Again it is not an outrider that came out from that rift at the end of the Unilord arc as explained above but rather the Unilord Silver Surfer. Why? Because, he was the only person shown in the whole entire Unilord story to ever enter the rift from the Unilord Universe and + his designate 1-1-1 code was mentioned trance like by 616 Silver Surfer before and after being struct.

He said it was the binary of 7 (outrider 7 - code # 1-1-1 which is the designate of Unilord Silver Surfer).

Again! Unilord Silver Surfer came out of the rift.

Hilarious! Ironic this coming from you.

Happy Thanksgiving friends. stoned

Glad it's finally clear that the Unilord saga is canon. Good job everyone.

Glad it's finally clear that the Unilord saga is not canon. Good job everyone.

👇

👇

Originally posted by Ambient
Yes! Very amusing, specially since I've given reasonable explanation to my interpretation on that scene back with evidence not only in art but written words as well supported on panel. I wonder if your actually reading someone else repertoire and then quoting mine base on your reply.

And where is the word supporting any of the baseless claims you're spouting? Give me one, a single confirmation that it was surfer.

Come to think of if AMUSING is the wrong word, WTF&@k - is more like it.

JK Abhi.

How droll.

What does Oclin soul have to do with the outrider tech? He is but the deliverer of message, him dying does not undo the merging. Supported in that Quasar was still able to detect Unilord Surfer (outrider 7) after coming out of the rift.

Because he was totally merged with Surfer. And yes, it does. 616 surfer forgot everything about the outrider message after he failed to enter the rift.

Quasar just detected outrider. No surfer.

Well it is, it says so on your scan. Ask Quasar?

That it was an outrider?

Props for trying Abhi!

Here I thought you were joking, your actually serious ???

Well the answer is ......

It's self explanatory.

So nothing? Unilord surfer didn't do anything on his own, he was amped on the souls in the blackbody. Before entering the swell, he released all the souls.

So I ask again, how is it canon to 616 surfer again? Seems like you're avoiding the question.

I wonder why?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice work hammering down and elaborating on the on panel, bio corroborated facts established.
The evidence is clear and insurmountable, yet, intransigence incessantly rejects it.

Happy Thanksgiving friends. stoned

Trolls will be Trolls.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And where is the word supporting any of the baseless claims you're spouting? Give me one, a single confirmation that it was surfer.

How droll.

Because he was totally merged with Surfer. And yes, it does. 616 surfer forgot everything about the outrider message after he failed to enter the rift.

Quasar just detected outrider. No surfer.

That it was an outrider?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before entering the swell, he released all the souls.

So I ask again, how is it canon to 616 surfer again? Seems like you're avoiding the question.

I wonder why?

Can you point me where it stated that he release all the souls he absorbs from the Unilord?

Put two and two together Abhi and you'll get your answer.

Very simple really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.

Where is it stated that Superman "absorbs and channels" those energies back into Earth? Your scans only show Superman destroying the machine from the inside out.

Give me a direct quote and page number.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But even these feats pale to this. Superman overcomes a magical device which had entrapped the souls of entire Metropolis and return every soul to their own bodies.

http://i.imgur.com/FYzkdrc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MvPz4kU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

Perhaps *THE* energy manipulation feat against magic and soul manipulation among heralds.

Damn.

Edit: it was the souls of whole world.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568207/042.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568208/043.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568209/051.jpg.html

And it was actually made clear that Superman was still vulnerable to magic.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568210/053.jpg.html

nuts

You forgot the part where Superman gets his energy disrupted and completely owned by the Wailing rod. 🙂

http://s14.postimg.org/sou0zictt/P00043.jpg

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Superman has decent energy draining resistance, but he's hardly immune to it:

Gets drained by Parasite from behind.
http://s14.postimg.org/owaijrxbl/P00112.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/z8wt5uqup/P00113.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/w4m592a29/P00115.jpg

Gets his energy siphoned (and disrupted) by Kandorian police tazers.
http://s11.postimg.org/rfng43kcz/P00022.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/kaizp6169/P00026.jpg

Gets his energy drained by a Millennial Guard.
http://s14.postimg.org/50ej48ga9/P00022.jpg

And again...
http://s14.postimg.org/yi4302ohd/P00033.jpg

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On the other hand, Superman Blue had an abysmal track record against energy disruption.

Get's one-shot by an ion canon which completely disrupts his power. Needs to turn-off his powers to function:
http://s1.postimg.org/dg6yb8ixb/P00122.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/c2jwto91r/P00123.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/i4rjk5xhr/P00132.jpg

Gets his power completely disrupted by a random Parademon. Gets saved by Lex.
http://s27.postimg.org/vym1j84wj/P00272.jpg

Nearly gets taken down by a single stab from Dr. Noah Brazil's sword. Needed to buy time to recover and sneak attack Noah.
http://s21.postimg.org/eh7vb5mmv/P00155.jpg

Nearly gets his energy form dispersed trying to pass through a portal. Required a lot of effort to pull himself together.
http://s4.postimg.org/jkmgw4oml/P00014.jpg

Again, Kandorian "tazors" disrupt Superman making him helpless. Gets saved.
http://s14.postimg.org/kaizp6169/P00026.jpg

A single touch from Output disables Superman--enough to get captured.
http://s12.postimg.org/937alu8hp/P00028.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/mle6y4kn1/P00029.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ry31c98jh/P00030.jpg

And my personal favourites...

A Kandorian Peacekeeper warping Superman's energy form into a pokeball. Has to be rescued later on.
http://s3.postimg.org/3wmnb8awj/P00036a.jpg

Toyman using his toy gun to warp and trap Superman's energy form into his toy gun.
http://s3.postimg.org/5n12yz31v/P00057.jpg
http://s3.postimg.org/fque8v96b/P00058.jpg

"Ironic. I've battled the alien from one corner of the universe to another--only to see him imprisoned in a child's toy." -Cyborn Superman.

😂

Given that Surfer is a greater energy manipulator than the majority of the above, energy disruption should be an easy route for Surfer--who's one-shot Vision, Wonder Man, and Jack of Hearts casually via energy disruption, and disrupted and disabled all of Earth's machinery & communication easily.

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And just because Superman can drain Parasite doesn't mean he could drain Surfer.

Superman's containment suit has a limit to how much it can contain before detonating.

Here Superman gets overwhelmed absorbing radiation from a nuclear reactor and explodes. In fact this amount of energy caused him quote... "pain beyond imagining."
http://s18.postimg.org/d5jwg5aih/P00151.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/nqypv1aih/P00152.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/hdeoowby1/P00153.jpg

Later Supes needs help from Booster to re-form and confirms that nuclear energy was too much energy for his suit to contain.
http://s18.postimg.org/y3q2e8ad5/P00159.jpg

While trying to seal another nuclear reactor, Pierce says Superman can only absorb so much radiation before he detonates.
http://s23.postimg.org/f4seyt04r/P00235.jpg

Superman confirms it.
http://s23.postimg.org/9fc6ehtyj/P00236.jpg

So how much nuclear energy was in that reactor? Only enough energy to blow up a chunk of the "east coast" which is nothing compared to the energy Surfer packs.
http://postimg.org/image/lsp0lejmv/

If anything Superman's containment suit would be overloaded trying to drain Surfer, who's energy capacity is far greater than anything and anyone Superman Blue has drained. Surfer who has enough energy to casually destroy and incinerate planets, who has released billions of terra-watts of power for half an hour straight, who's energy discharges create black holes, who can power the Impericon, who had near-infinite power detected inside him by Warrior One, the guy who has the power of a star inside him--e.g., Quasar drained the energy of a small star from Surfer and threw it back at him, and it barely phased Surfer.

All it takes is one punch.

Nah, Surfer would probably have to punch him a couple times.

Originally posted by panthergod
Where are the Surfer fanboys? Bueller?

Superman Blue being one-shot KO'd by Locksmith's tiny robot.

Consider it an early Christmas gift.

Originally posted by One-Punch
This one's for you Panther. 🙂

[b]Superman Blue being one-shot KO'd by Locksmith's tiny robot.

Consider it an early Christmas gift. [/B]

😆 😂 🤣

Back to the lying board, Abby. 😱

Originally posted by Ambient
Hmm! oh I get.. I think I know why we're not on the same page? Your actually reading a fan fic version made/ written on this arc for reason too obvious.

I'm reading a fanfic?

crylaugh

No, no, once again.

It make sense, I mean outrider 7, a com. sat tech - made to deliver a distress message is now actually a soul of Oclin the pilot.

Yes, that's clearly stated in SS 112. He totally merged with Surfer.

Alright, I think I can follow but one tiny little thing you've slightly ignored to account, in that at the page where Unilord Surfer crosses the rift, there was no mention of him releasing all the soul energy he absorbs from the Unilord, which was supported by Quasar's statement detecting Oclin soul - outrider 7 coming out of the rift therefore, who came out of the rift is non other than Unilord Surfer, since within him is Oclin's soul energy - a fanfic or the actual arc it's all the same Unilord Surfer made it through the rift.[quote]

The dark counsel flat out stated that surfer has released all the souls in the rift.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563870/SS_v3_121_15a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563872/SS_v3_121_16a.jpg.html

And I ask once again, post one proof that surfer came out of the rift. Just one.

[quote]Can you point me where it stated that he release all the souls he absorbs from the Unilord?

Put two and two together Abhi and you'll get your answer.

Very simple really.

Once again.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563870/SS_v3_121_15a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563872/SS_v3_121_16a.jpg.html

Why are you avoiding the question? Scared?

Haha, oh surfer rescue squad is here.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I went back to fact-check.

Where is it stated that Superman "absorbs and channels" those energies back into Earth? Your scans only show Superman destroying the machine from the inside out.

You mean you can't even read?

Give me a direct quote and page number.

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[b]Superman has decent energy draining resistance, but he's hardly immune to it:

Gets drained by Parasite from behind.
http://s14.postimg.org/owaijrxbl/P00112.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/z8wt5uqup/P00113.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/w4m592a29/P00115.jpg

From behind with a surprise attack? Ronan once oneshotted Surfer from behind too.

He is more powerful than surfer, right?

As far as Parasite goes, Superman owned him like nothing when he was prepared.

Gets his energy siphoned (and disrupted) by Kandorian police tazers.
http://s11.postimg.org/rfng43kcz/P00022.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/kaizp6169/P00026.jpg

At a time when Superman was entirely new with his powers and hadn't even learn to fly as Tolos flat out stated in MOS 69?

Surely you jest.

One issue later, the same disruptors.

BTW, Kandorian tasers have subdued heralds consistently. Like Cyborg Superman

Gets his energy drained by a Millennial Guard.
http://s14.postimg.org/50ej48ga9/P00022.jpg

And again...
http://s14.postimg.org/yi4302ohd/P00033.jpg

Yes, getting drained by above herald level beings with magical attacks is a low showing.

Yup.

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On the other hand, Superman Blue had an abysmal track record against energy disruption.

That would work for Surfer if he knows how to disrupt energy of a superior energy manipulator.

Get's one-shot by an ion canon which completely disrupts his power. Needs to turn-off his powers to function:
http://s1.postimg.org/dg6yb8ixb/P00122.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/c2jwto91r/P00123.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/i4rjk5xhr/P00132.jpg

Gets his power completely disrupted by a random Parademon. Gets saved by Lex.
http://s27.postimg.org/vym1j84wj/P00272.jpg

Both times total surprise attacks.

Nearly gets taken down by a single stab from Dr. Noah Brazil's sword. Needed to buy time to recover and sneak attack Noah.
http://s21.postimg.org/eh7vb5mmv/P00155.jpg

Again a surprise attack. And that's not disruption. Superman was caught unaware by an attack which affects the soul.

Nearly gets his energy form dispersed trying to pass through a portal. Required a lot of effort to pull himself together.
http://s4.postimg.org/jkmgw4oml/P00014.jpg

Magic.

Again, Kandorian "tazors" disrupt Superman making him helpless. Gets saved.
http://s14.postimg.org/kaizp6169/P00026.jpg

A single touch from Output disables Superman--enough to get captured.
http://s12.postimg.org/937alu8hp/P00028.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/mle6y4kn1/P00029.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ry31c98jh/P00030.jpg

Once again, a surprise attack and it was due to Superman's powers merging with her and a dimensional feedback.

Later, he manipulated the whole dimension of "movement".

But yeah, some serious surprise attacks there.

You almost feel my pity at this point.

And my personal favourites...

A Kandorian Peacekeeper warping Superman's energy form into a pokeball. Has to be rescued later on.
http://s3.postimg.org/3wmnb8awj/P00036a.jpg

Yes, Inexperienced Superman who couldn't even fly at that point.

Toyman using his toy gun to warp and trap Superman's energy form into his toy gun.
http://s3.postimg.org/5n12yz31v/P00057.jpg
http://s3.postimg.org/fque8v96b/P00058.jpg

"Ironic. I've battled the alien from one corner of the universe to another--only to see him imprisoned in a child's toy." -Cyborn Superman.

Only after his containment suit was destroyed by Cyborg Superman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593007/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage30.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593008/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage31.jpg.html

And it was a tractor beam which pulled Superman's energy form in.

Now, you see why disrupting Superman's energy is a bad idea.

Given that Surfer is a greater energy manipulator than the majority of the above, energy disruption should be an easy route for Surfer--who's one-shot Vision, Wonder Man, and Jack of Hearts casually via energy disruption, and disrupted and disabled all of Earth's machinery & communication easily.

And even if he is able to do so to a superior energy manipulator, it will just cause Superman to divide into two beings.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593009/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage39.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593010/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage40.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593011/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage41.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593012/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage42.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593013/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage43.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593014/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage44.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593015/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage45.jpg.html

Only thing Surfer would accomplish is getting his ass whooped by a tag team.

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And just because Superman can drain Parasite doesn't mean he could drain Surfer.

Of course he can. Parasite will drain Surfer dry in like seconds.

Superman's containment suit has a limit to how much it can contain before detonating.

Here Superman gets overwhelmed absorbing radiation from a nuclear reactor and explodes. In fact this amount of energy caused him quote... "pain beyond imagining."
http://s18.postimg.org/d5jwg5aih/P00151.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/nqypv1aih/P00152.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/hdeoowby1/P00153.jpg

Just

Later Supes needs help from Booster to re-form and confirms that nuclear energy was too much energy for his suit to contain.
http://s18.postimg.org/y3q2e8ad5/P00159.jpg[/quote]

Yes, at the very start of his new powers.

While trying to seal another nuclear reactor, Pierce says Superman can only absorb so much radiation before he detonates.
http://s23.postimg.org/f4seyt04r/P00235.jpg

Or expelling the energy. Superman was forced to stay there.

Here he can drain and expel that energy freely.

Superman confirms it.
http://s23.postimg.org/9fc6ehtyj/P00236.jpg

So how much nuclear energy was in that reactor? Only enough energy to blow up a chunk of the "east coast" which is nothing compared to the energy Surfer packs.
http://postimg.org/image/lsp0lejmv/

Don't be silly. We know Surfer can't even destroy a forest with his all out attacks before exhausting himself.

Or exhausts himself destroying a space ship.

And "east cost destroying" space ship was beyond even his scope to destroy.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-32.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-33.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-35.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-36.jpg

Alicia Masters even feared he was dead.