Rulk stated that he'd studied Thor and that he knew that, in space, he would be able to take mjolnir from Thor.
I don't think the absorption of Thor's powers came into it, with regards to mjolnir.
Also, Maestro has Mjolnir in his trophy room too, which would indicate that it was lifted and moved there after Thor had been killed, so ...
Anyway, Mjolnir like The Gem of Cyttorak, tops out at somewhere far below the enabling force (Odinforce and Cyttorak respectively). So anyone who can come close to matching Odin's level of power should be able to lift it.
There are no absolutes in comics, aside from Hulk >>> Thanos that is 😉
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You jest, but didn't Rogue do that once?
Uber/Claremont Rogue absorbed Thor's power but was still unable to lift Mjolnir:
http://s4.hubimg.com/u/3131087_f520.jpg
She did manage at one point to absorb Thor's actual life essence but this was a What If:
Originally posted by carver9
Da**...lightning did come from it. I agree, this should be ignored...the writer clearly wasn't thinking when he wrote that.
Yea, Loeb was being stupid.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisnot necessarily. It's like the sledgehammer approach vs scalpel approach. Primary Adamantium is utterly indestructable to direct attacks that can be planet shattering to scale. hit it with a molecular deconstructor and it's as useless as any other material. Same could be said for magics. If you have the keys i.e. the knowledge on the enchant and how to undo it. Which in all of marvel I'm pretty sure someone would know it namely Dr. Strange considering he knew enough to help thor fix the damn thing, then there is no need to brute force overpower it.
The answer should be pretty simple: Anyone more powerful than Odin.
Originally posted by Uriel005
not necessarily. It's like the sledgehammer approach vs scalpel approach. Primary Adamantium is utterly indestructable to direct attacks that can be planet shattering to scale. hit it with a molecular deconstructor and it's as useless as any other material. Same could be said for magics. If you have the keys i.e. the knowledge on the enchant and how to undo it. Which in all of marvel I'm pretty sure someone would know it namely Dr. Strange considering he knew enough to help thor fix the damn thing, then there is no need to brute force overpower it.
Captain America's shield was very durable and then got trashed, Adamantium has been trashed (and retconned) in the past and will most certainly be in the future.
the scalpel/sledgehammer analogy only works up to a point and within a specific context.
if you want to destroy somebody's brain, you can use a scalpel and do it delicately or use a sledgehammer and liquefy the damned thing.
When the objective is destruction (or in this case, over powering an enchantment) then finesse doesn't come into consideration. more power is all that is required. If the requirement is to be efficient about it, then yes, magics would make more sense than reaching towards skyfather orders of power.
Originally posted by janus77
didn't Nul rip apart an adamantium net recently?
I don't believe that there are any truly "indestructible" materials (or characters for that matter) within comics. It's all about different orders of power.Captain America's shield was very durable and then got trashed, Adamantium has been trashed (and retconned) in the past and will most certainly be in the future.
the scalpel/sledgehammer analogy only works up to a point and within a specific context.
if you want to destroy somebody's brain, you can use a scalpel and do it delicately or use a sledgehammer and liquefy the damned thing.
When the objective is destruction (or in this case, over powering an enchantment) then finesse doesn't come into consideration. more power is all that is required. If the requirement is to be efficient about it, then yes, magics would make more sense than reaching towards skyfather orders of power.
Originally posted by janus77
didn't Nul rip apart an adamantium net recently?
I don't believe that there are any truly "indestructible" materials (or characters for that matter) within comics. It's all about different orders of power.Captain America's shield was very durable and then got trashed, Adamantium has been trashed (and retconned) in the past and will most certainly be in the future.
the scalpel/sledgehammer analogy only works up to a point and within a specific context.
if you want to destroy somebody's brain, you can use a scalpel and do it delicately or use a sledgehammer and liquefy the damned thing.
When the objective is destruction (or in this case, over powering an enchantment) then finesse doesn't come into consideration. more power is all that is required. If the requirement is to be efficient about it, then yes, magics would make more sense than reaching towards skyfather orders of power.
If Adamantium was destroyed then it was secondary Adamantium. That's the only reason secondary Adamantium was created, to have impressive Adamantium breaking feats... without nerfing real Adamantium. One reason you can tell it wasn't Primary Adamantium is that it was a net... you can't make a net out of primary Adamantium... it would be a grate, because Primary Adamantium isn't malleable. Outside of the initial Adamantium appearance prior to the Secondary Adamantium retcon, Primary Adamantium has never been destroyed or damage in continuity outside of matter manip. 😎
Originally posted by Sin I AM
i wonder if mjolnir can be treated like a GL ring. Say if Doom can get tissue samples from captain america or thor and make the hammer "believe" the person is worthy...
Recently Odin made the hammer fall to the ground while Thor was holding it, so I'm not sure that even a perfect clone would be able to find a way around the enchantment.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Adamantium was destroyed then it was secondary Adamantium. That's the only reason secondary Adamantium was created, to have impressive Adamantium breaking feats... without nerfing real Adamantium. One reason you can tell it wasn't Primary Adamantium is that it was a net... you can't make a net out of primary Adamantium... it would be a grate, because Primary Adamantium isn't malleable. Outside of the initial Adamantium appearance prior to the Secondary Adamantium retcon, Primary Adamantium has never been destroyed or damage in continuity outside of matter manip. 😎
So what is that stuff in between Wolverine joints that allows him the ability to move?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Adamantium was destroyed then it was secondary Adamantium. That's the only reason secondary Adamantium was created, to have impressive Adamantium breaking feats... without nerfing real Adamantium. One reason you can tell it wasn't Primary Adamantium is that it was a net... you can't make a net out of primary Adamantium... it would be a grate, because Primary Adamantium isn't malleable. Outside of the initial Adamantium appearance prior to the Secondary Adamantium retcon, Primary Adamantium has never been destroyed or damage in continuity outside of matter manip. 😎
This isn't entirely true because if it were Alkema would be incapable of moving her primary adamantium joints. perhaps I'm wrong though, do you have any insight that I may be missing?
Originally posted by janus77
Rulk stated that he'd studied Thor and that he knew that, in space, he would be able to take mjolnir from Thor.I don't think the absorption of Thor's powers came into it, with regards to mjolnir.
Not only did he wrest Mjolnir from Thor's hands, he actually wielded it as well. There's no making sense of that.
Loeb threw in some bullshit explanation of Odin being dead (Ala Thomas' run) but that clearly wasn't the case anymore. At the end of the day, Loeb would have had Thor beaten down by a Mjolnir wielding Rulk either way, because it was cool. He didn't care if it made sense or not, he said as much.
Originally posted by janus77
Also, Maestro has Mjolnir in his trophy room too, which would indicate that it was lifted and moved there after Thor had been killed, so ...
Are you implying that Maestro lifted Mjolnir and brought it to the trophy room?
That was Rick Jones' trophy room (Thor told him a magic word or something so that he could be worthy) and it was made pretty clear that Maestro still couldn't lift the hammer:
Hulk is never going to lift Mjolnir. At least as long as some writers have common sense.
