Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Adamantium was destroyed then it was secondary Adamantium. That's the only reason secondary Adamantium was created, to have impressive Adamantium breaking feats... without nerfing real Adamantium. One reason you can tell it wasn't Primary Adamantium is that it was a net... you can't make a net out of primary Adamantium... it would be a grate, because Primary Adamantium isn't malleable. Outside of the initial Adamantium appearance prior to the Secondary Adamantium retcon, Primary Adamantium has never been destroyed or damage in continuity outside of matter manip. 😎
Anyway, nothing mentioned about secondary adamantium and nets made from non-malleable metals would in effect, be like chain-mail... so can be done.
Hulk 2 - 0 Adamantium.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Lady Ultron was liquid metal.
No I'm not referring to the time that Ultron took the form of Janet, and gave Ares the tazer. I'm speaking of a seperate entity named Alkema, who was composed of primary adamantium, which included her joints. The only way that she was stopped was due to Wanda's intervention via hex magic.
Originally posted by carver9
It was stated that it was adamantium. It was never stated that he was wrapped in secondary adamantium. Hulk ripped that sh**.
Secondary Adamantium is far and away the most common type of Adamantium, as such no clarification is required when mentioning it, because that's the assumption from the get go. Primary Adamantium is extremely rare, and if it shows up it will be addressed as such. Secondary Adamantium is like a Doombot or a Thanos clone, unless we are specifically told that it wasn't a Doombot or Thanos clone... then it probably was. Unless you are told something is Primary Adamantium (like Ultron, Citadel and Wolverine's skeleton), and then it gets broke... then it's not Primary Adamantium.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Secondary Adamantium is far and away the most common type of Adamantium, as such no clarification is required when mentioning it, because that's the assumption from the get go. Primary Adamantium is extremely rare, and if it shows up it will be addressed as such. Secondary Adamantium is like a Doombot or a Thanos clone, unless we are specifically told that it wasn't a Doombot or Thanos clone... then it probably was. Unless you are told something is Primary Adamantium (like Ultron, Citadel and Wolverine's skeleton), and then it gets broke... then it's not Primary Adamantium.
Alkema was said to be fully composed of the good stuff though. this included her joints. Maybe it was just poor writing.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Secondary Adamantium is far and away the most common type of Adamantium, as such no clarification is required when mentioning it, because that's the assumption from the get go. Primary Adamantium is extremely rare, and if it shows up it will be addressed as such. Secondary Adamantium is like a Doombot or a Thanos clone, unless we are specifically told that it wasn't a Doombot or Thanos clone... then it probably was. Unless you are told something is Primary Adamantium (like Ultron, Citadel and Wolverine's skeleton), then it's not.
They knew there was nothing in their arsenal that could make even the slightest impact on Nul, they would not skimp on the Adamantium. It was meant to be their "last best hope". What's the point of Adamantium netting if the type they're obtaining as already been broken by Savage Hulk before? they wouldn't count on it doing anything against Nul. Makes no sense.
Until the comics actually say otherwise, the assumption is that netting was Primary Adamantium, imo.
Originally posted by Stoic
Alkema was said to be fully composed of the good stuff though. this included her joints. Maybe it was just poor writing.
I don't remember that, but she was a robot, which allows from robotic / mechanical solutions to the joints that differ from biologically human, so it's possible without changing the flexibility of the metal. Sometimes Wolverine even is even depicted with a robotic skeleton.
I've been trying to google around and it looks like it's never happened (writer inconsistency with robots/machines being ignored).
This is crazy when you realize that Thor has had a sh|tload of appearances throughout his what? 50 or so years as a character. I'd see this as indirect proof that Odin is greater than beings like Cytorrak whose enchantments on Juggernaut have been broken.
You know what, aside from the Evil Eye, has ANYONE/ANYTHING ever broken/overpowered one of Mjolnir's enchantments?
Originally posted by carver9LOL classic carver shit. When did anybody say "i don't like" it or anything even close? The fact is unless its stated to be primary we don't know for sure what it
So I'm sure people in here have proof that was secondary adamantium besides the "I don't like it" argument. Scans.
Originally posted by janus77
I disagree, the whole focus of the Vampire nation's strategy was to buy time to get the netting ready to capture/halt Nul.They knew there was nothing in their arsenal that could make even the slightest impact on Nul, they would not skimp on the Adamantium. It was meant to be their "last best hope". What's the point of Adamantium netting if the type they're obtaining as already been broken by Savage Hulk before? they wouldn't count on it doing anything against Nul. Makes no sense.
Until the comics actually say otherwise, the assumption is that netting was Primary Adamantium, imo.
You could say the exact same thing for every single character / situation that has ever involved the use of Secondary Adamantium in a plan. Why didn't they just use Primary Adamantium? Because it is excitingly rare and hard to come by? Because if they had... they would have succeed and the plot would have stalled? Who knows, and who cared. Plot no jutsu. Secondary Adamantum is the default type of Adamantium that shows up, no one specifies "Secondary Adamantium," they do specify Primary though... because it hardly ever shows up.
And chain mail net? Wtf? That thing was corded wires.
Originally posted by zopzop
I've been trying to google around and it looks like it's never happened (writer inconsistency with robots/machines being ignored).This is crazy when you realize that Thor has had a sh|tload of appearances throughout his what? 50 or so years as a character. I'd see this as indirect proof that Odin is greater than beings like Cytorrak whose enchantments on Juggernaut have been broken.
You know what, aside from the Evil Eye, has ANYONE/ANYTHING ever broken/overpowered one of Mjolnir's enchantments?
Mephisto once destroyed/recreated Mjolnir on a whim because he was supreme in his realm or whatever. Some maintain it was an illusion (He was messing with Thor's head most of the time). I don't know whether or not that's true, but I find it very hard to believe that Mephisto has that kind of power at disposal based on his interactions with Thor and the rest of the Asgardian Universe (Hela, Odin, Enchantress etc). Not even Odin himself should have that type of power at disposal.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Mephisto once destroyed/recreated Mjolnir on a whim because he was supreme in his realm or whatever. Some maintain it was an illusion (He was messing with Thor's head most of the time). I don't know whether or not that's true, but I find it very hard to believe that Mephisto has that kind of power at disposal based on his interactions with Thor and the rest of the Asgardian Universe.
Yeah I remember that but he's a notorious liar. Didn't he also raise "Odin" from the dead and parade him around Thor? IMHO the hammer melting was an illusion like the Odin resurrection.
Having said that, he does have some damn impressive showings (vs Galactus, Satannish, etc...) and some outright sad ones. But I still don't think he can do anything to Mjolnir's enchantments.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Mephisto once destroyed/recreated Mjolnir on a whim because he was supreme in his realm or whatever. Some maintain it was an illusion (He was messing with Thor's head most of the time). I don't know whether or not that's true, but I find it very hard to believe that Mephisto has that kind of power at disposal based on his interactions with Thor and the rest of the Asgardian Universe.
I think he just meant breaking / overruling the enchantment, not the actually physical hammer.
Outside of Odin, as far as I can remember the only thing that has been able to override the enchantment is loop holes in physics (gravity / magnetism) and that it isn't word specifically enough to account for robots.