Originally posted by basilisk
"Vampire warriors - prepare the SECONDARY adamantium net for our foe Nuul!"
"Uhhh... secondary adamantium Lord Dracula? Is that wise?"
"Shut up fool."
"Vampires, prepare the adamantium net for Nuul!"
"My Lord, due to the economic downturn, we have only been able to afford secondary adamantium..."
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Great, another allusion to an anonymous handbook entry. After your airtight website citation. Color me unimpressed.
It was from the Marvel Universe Wolverine 2004 Adamantium entry :
This was a confirmation of the Official Handbook entry on Adamantium in 1984-1986 :
But like I learned a long time ago, Handbook entries don't mean anything unless it's backed up by on panel evidence. So I don't think they count unless he can produce scans proving "secondary" Adamantium was used.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Well it had to be more than that (maybe another comic source?) since many sources/sites on the issue have all instances (except two) of adamantium being damaged was really secondary adamantium. Even Marvel's official site had this for many years as well as wikipedia. I'm pretty sure it is mostly likely true and for good reason. I'll research more into it myself.
Underlined part = hysterical No, it wasn't. You know you're lying out your a$$. Everyone here has read Ultron Unlimited. The only thing that was stated was that in a fight where Thor destroys an Ultron, Iron Man says that it's defeat was too easy and it couldn't have been adamantium. It turns out it was secondary adamantium. Iron Man never mentions every single appearance of adamantium prior in Marvel history. The import of his observation doesn't, and never did, extend outside those Ultrons in that story.So stop lying about it. Because that's all you're doing at this point. Utterly, completely, lying. And the fact that this garbage myth is afterbirthed out of Wolverine-related butthurt is ridiculous but it also reveals just how attenuated it is.
here's one example:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Adamantium#Secondary_Adamantium
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Great, another allusion to an anonymous handbook entry. After your airtight website citation. Color me unimpressed. The only ones confused are you and those who want to manufacture confusion to obfuscate how clear it was that an "an alloy of adamantium" was present in that comic. Because obfuscating that clear fact somehow lends pretense to the need for a retcon.
Can't get much clearer than FAUST stating on panel "I am forged of adamantium, completely indestructible". You keep referring to one character statement in one single panel by a bungling half-crazed scientist when the other narrative panels and characters in the rest of the story and the sequel say otherwise.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I was just pointing out in the FAUST stories all but one reference calls it adamantium or adamantium alloy and that the official handbook supports the retcon to secondary. The other info in that handbook entry seems largely correct, people just seem to point out anything they don't agree with as an "error". It may surprise people that outside of silly power levels a lot of historical info in the handbooks is actually accurate.
There is no confusion. There is no need for a retcon. There isn't even a retcon on-panel, anywhere. You can keep referring to yourwebsitesrandom anonymous handbook entries or imaginary writer interviews. Once again, none of that matters. Let me know when you have something on-panel that suggests, much less confirms, that all appearances of adamantium were secondary knock-offs.Until then, this sh1tty myth remains sh1tty myth.
In fact FAUST is the only example of secondary that the handbook gives - as for all the others, you may well be right unless something else comes up. If someone found direct statements from Busiek who wrote the Ultron story and created secondary adamantium, that would be good enough for me as to the intention, at the time written at least. But that's an if...
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
lol
"All we have is the secondary adamantium net? Fine...couple it to the gravity well generators!"
"Yes My Lord..."
"What is the most powerful model we have?? We shall show this Nuul the Vampire Nation is not to be trifled with!"
"Erm...the Jupiter model, my Lord. The budget's been tight this year."
"So...he'll...weigh....several hundred tons. The most powerful Hulk ever. And all we have is Walmart Adamantium, and we've made him slightly heavier....."
"Yes my Lord."
"......"
Originally posted by basiliskDoesn't get muc clearer than him stating that it was an "alloy of adamantium." For someone so eager to have appearances of adamantium automatically be secondary, you seem oddly ignorant of an on-panel statement that confirms it.
Can't get much clearer than FAUST stating on panel "I am forged of adamantium, completely indestructible". You keep referring to one character statement in one single panel by a bungling half-crazed scientist when the other narrative panels and characters in the rest of the story and the sequel say otherwise.
And I pointed out the underlying reason of that behavior: you want to create controversy where there is none to establish pretense that there is widespread confusion which justifies some need for a retcon.
There is no controversy. There is no widespread confusion. There is no retcon.
Originally posted by basiliskHandbooks mean sh1t. Holding out lumps of crap and expecting to sell gold is unrealistic. Don't even try to sell me handbooks as being accurate by any measure.
I was just pointing out in the FAUST stories all but one reference calls it adamantium or adamantium alloy and that the official handbook supports the retcon to secondary. The other info in that handbook entry seems largely correct, people just seem to point out anything they don't agree with as an "error". It may surprise people that outside of silly power levels a lot of historical info in the handbooks is actually accurate.In fact FAUST is the only example of secondary that the handbook gives - as for all the others, you may well be right unless something else comes up. If someone found direct statements from Busiek who wrote the Ultron story and created secondary adamantium, that would be good enough for me as to the intention, at the time written at least. But that's an if...
What's good enough for you is to whine about how all appearances are secondary adamantium and all of a sudden, you don't like when a direct statement in a comic confirms it's secondary adamantium. That's retarded. Stop trying to create confusion where there is none. I know. It doesn't help you when you're trying to justify a myth that supposedly resolves non-existent confusion. But make a better argument with actual on-panel proof. Not anonymous handbook entries or imaginary interviews.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doesn't get muc clearer than him stating that it was an "alloy of adamantium." For someone so eager to have appearances of adamantium automatically be secondary, you seem oddly ignorant of an on-panel statement that confirms it.And I pointed out the underlying reason of that behavior: you want to create controversy where there is none to establish pretense that there is widespread confusion which justifies some need for a retcon.
There is no controversy. There is no widespread confusion. There is no retcon. Handbooks mean sh1t. Holding out lumps of crap and expecting to sell gold is unrealistic. Don't even try to sell me handbooks as being accurate by any measure.
What's good enough for you is to whine about how all appearances are secondary adamantium and all of a sudden, you don't like when a direct statement in a comic confirms it's secondary adamantium. That's retarded. Stop trying to create confusion where there is none. I know. It doesn't help you when you're trying to justify a myth that supposedly resolves non-existent confusion. But make a better argument with actual on-panel proof. Not anonymous handbook entries or imaginary interviews.
When it comes to historical data (not power stats) handbooks are very accurate (more than 99%).
Just throwing this out there, but maybe Blue Beetle?
The Scarab treated magic energy like any other kind of energy, and tended to come out with weird stuff like anti magic bubbles...
Not to say the Scarab is > the Odin Force, only that maybe it can use the scalpel approach to get around the enchantment somehow..
Originally posted by carver9Ugh! In quality stories, the writers actually try to use a thing called "creativity" instead of a constant amp'ing of strength/power to solve every situation.
Here's info about Mjolnir.
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/AboutThorsHammerMjolnir2.jpg
Who shall be worthy?
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/AboutThorsHammerMjolnir5.jpg
No one is capable of breaking the Hammer's enchantment through physical means.
