Abraxas versus Odin and Cyttorak
1) Fight in neutral universe, Odin and Cyttorak are at regular power.
2) Fight in Cyttorak's dimension with Odin in Destroyer Armour.
3) Fight in Asgard with all Asgardians assisting Odin (who is in The Destroyer Armour) and Cyttorak.
4) Fight in a Dark Dimension melded Asgard so both Odin and Cyttorak are at full power, Odin AND Cyttorak are using The Destroyer Armour.
Abraxas is angry and out to kill.
What happens?
Abraxas, the one that was imprisoned inside Galactus? He should WTFstomp in scenario 1 through 4.
Many people aren't impressed by him or say that his powers and feats were vague. I used to believe that too till I saw how Franklin was powerless and in fear of his life vs Abraxas. The same Franklin that took on multiple Rogue Celestials and was stated by them to be "beyond Omega level" and a universal level reality warper.
Team dies.
The thing about Cytorrak, is that he doesn't have any showings outside of Avatars. For all we know, in real space he could be a major multiversal threat. All we have on his history is that, if he was not imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos that he would have destroyed all of reality. This small fact means, and implies that if Marvel launched a story on him breaching the wards that keeps him tucked away in his pocket universe, that he may be as large a threat or larger than Thanos in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet. Cain's power alone was stated on panel as being able to warp universes.
Originally posted by StoicAnd Cain's power is clearly nowhere close to that.
The thing about Cytorrak, is that he doesn't have any showings outside of Avatars. For all we know, in real space he could be a major multiversal threat. All we have on his history is that, if he was not imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos that he would have destroyed all of reality. This small fact means, and implies that if Marvel launched a story on him breaching the wards that keeps him tucked away in his pocket universe, that he may be as large a threat or larger than Thanos in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet. Cain's power alone was stated on panel as being able to warp universes.
So why should we believe that Cyttorak can destroy the multiverse?
lol at him being IG level though.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And Cain's power is clearly nowhere close to that.So why should we believe that Cyttorak can destroy the multiverse?
lol at him being IG level though.
Why lol at what can't be proven either way? I was just going with the only shred of evidence that may place Cytorrak above the typical High Skyfather. In other wards I was simply speculating, but any thread that concerns Cytorrak is, and has always been speculation. He could be greater, that an IG user, or less than Odin. We will never know until Marvel releases him. My thoughts? If Annihilus could have been boosted up to cause the crap that he has, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to make Cytorrak into a much larger threat.
Originally posted by StoicOr Cyttorak could be KO'ed by Juggernaut
Why lol at what can't be proven either way? I was just going with the only shred of evidence that may place Cytorrak above the typical High Skyfather. In other wards I was simply speculating, but any thread that concerns Cytorrak is, and has always been speculation. He could be greater, that an IG user, or less than Odin. We will never know until Marvel releases him. My thoughts? If Annihilus could have been boosted up to cause the crap that he has, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to make Cytorrak into a much larger threat.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
If Cyttorak is an avatar of Cyttorak
The guy that Cain beat up was an Avatar of Cytorrak from what I remember. It wasn't the real guy, as he is, and has always been tucked away in his dimension. Unless of course you believe that Cytorrak gave Cain the power to whip him, when every other depiction shows Cytorrak having the ability to strip Cain of his power.
Originally posted by StoicNo. Cyttorak didn't create an avatar of him in his own dimension to try and trap Galactus... lol if Galactus would have actually came out of his ship.
The guy that Cain beat up was an Avatar of Cytorrak from what I remember. It wasn't the real guy, as he is, and has always been tucked away in his dimension. Unless of course you believe that Cytorrak gave Cain the power to whip him, when every other depiction shows Cytorrak having the ability to strip Cain of his power.
I'm also pretty sure Juggernaut has beaten him in a mental battle too. During Onslaught I believe.
Originally posted by leonidas
pretty sure it was the real cyttorak.... he was also present recently in hell during the serpent incident. i'm with bran on this one......
The real Cytorrak that is trapped in the Crimson Cosmos, was in Hell? I did not read what it is that you are referring to, but I'll take your word on it. I just don't understand, how it was the real guy and not an Avatar, when the real guy is trapped in the Crimson Cosmos. Does that make sense to you? As for me, I've got nothing.
Originally posted by Stoic
The real Cytorrak that is trapped in the Crimson Cosmos, was in Hell? I did not read what it is that you are referring to, but I'll take your word on it. I just don't understand, how it was the real guy and not an Avatar, when the real guy is trapped in the Crimson Cosmos. Does that make sense to you? As for me, I've got nothing.
You have to understand something Stoic, for the past few decades it's Asgard >>>>>>>>>>>>>all other powers and principalities in Marvel. Only recently has Pak (?) begun to bring up other pantheons in power. For example, during the Fear Itself arc (that Sr and Leo are referring too with Cytorrak being in hell), Odin wanted to annihilate the Earth to end the Serpent. But Zeus stood up to him and prevented that plan from going through. Now it looks like they are finally giving the Olympians some respect over at Marvel. We'll see how long this lasts.
Originally posted by zopzop
You have to understand something Stoic, for the past few decades it's Asgard >>>>>>>>>>>>>all other powers and principalities in Marvel. Only recently has Pak (?) begun to bring up other pantheons in power. For example, during the Fear Itself arc (that Sr and Leo are referring too with Cytorrak being in hell), Odin wanted to annihilate the Earth to end the Serpent. But Zeus stood up to him and prevented that plan from going through. Now it looks like they are finally giving the Olympians some respect over at Marvel. We'll see how long this lasts.
Gotcha. It still does little to quell the question of how Cytorrak was in Hell, while also being trapped in the Cimson Cosmos? Is it poor writing due to an inept writer or something else? All the same. That guy who is and has always been sitting in his own pocket universe, has no physical feats based on accurate continuity. You see where I'm coming from? I'm not with or against Abraxas, or even Ironman being able to spank Cytorrak, my thing is his continuity, and how most of the stuff written about him being in the physical universe, makes absolutely no sense, when he was placed behind unbreakable wards.
Originally posted by Stoic
Gotcha. It still does little to quell the question of how Cytorrak was in Hell, while also being trapped in the Cimson Cosmos? Is it poor writing due to an inept writer or something else? All the same. That guy who is and has always been sitting in his own pocket universe, has no physical feats based on accurate continuity. You see where I'm coming from? I'm not with or against Abraxas, or even Ironman being able to spank Cytorrak, my thing is his continuity, and how most of the stuff written about him being in the physical universe, makes absolutely no sense, when he was placed behind unbreakable wards.
Oh it was craptacular writing. Fear Itself was sh|t warmed over. There were other Demon Lords that shouldn't or couldn't have been their. Let me find the pic/scan, it's out there on the net. Give me a min.
@Stoic
And here you go.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/cyttorak-v-insane-genis-vell/634030/?page=6
Scroll down a few posts and you'll see it, lord_oraculous016's post. Supposedly Elder Gods like Chthon and Set (? this appearance is in dispute, looks like it could be his son Sligguth instead), Cosmic Level Demons like Shuma Gorath and the Adversary, and supremely powerful Earth based demons like Satannish and Mephisto and Marduk Kurios (the guy who fought CHAOS KING) were gathered about what do do with the Serpent. A complete clusterfxxk of a story.
Now factor in how easily Odin dealt with the Serpent and his worthy before and according to Marvel Odin >>>Serpent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all other demon lords in existence.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Stoic
And here you go.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/cyttorak-v-insane-genis-vell/634030/?page=6
Scroll down a few posts and you'll see it, lord_oraculous016's post. Supposedly Elder Gods like Chthon and Set (? this appearance is in dispute, looks like it could be his son Sligguth instead), Cosmic Level Demons like Shuma Gorath and the Adversary, and supremely powerful Earth based demons like Satannish and Mephisto and Marduk Kurios (the guy who fought CHAOS KING) were gathered about what do do with the Serpent. A complete clusterfxxk of a story.Now factor in how easily Odin dealt with the Serpent and his worthy before and according to Marvel Odin >>>Serpent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all other demon lords in existence.
Yeah I read the comments pertaining to the crap written in that book, and I can't see any reason that this would not be able to be retconned, and easily at that. Explaining how Cytorrak was anywhere other than his prison with no way out makes no sense, and I hope the writer or a writer in the future irons the assembly of demons out, but many really shouldn't be there. Cytorrak in particular can not be there physically. All of that could have been astral projections of every demon that appeared in those scans as well.
Originally posted by zopzopI don't see Cyttorak there, but lol at Shuma Gorath, Cthon, and Set worrying about such small affairs.
@Stoic
And here you go.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/cyttorak-v-insane-genis-vell/634030/?page=6
Scroll down a few posts and you'll see it, lord_oraculous016's post. Supposedly Elder Gods like Chthon and Set (? this appearance is in dispute, looks like it could be his son Sligguth instead), Cosmic Level Demons like Shuma Gorath and the Adversary, and supremely powerful Earth based demons like Satannish and Mephisto and Marduk Kurios (the guy who fought CHAOS KING) were gathered about what do do with the Serpent. A complete clusterfxxk of a story.Now factor in how easily Odin dealt with the Serpent and his worthy before and according to Marvel Odin >>>Serpent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all other demon lords in existence.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't see Cyttorak there, but lol at Shuma Gorath, Cthon, and Set worrying about such small affairs.
But even more than that. Did you spot Adversary? This guy challenged and beat Roma, the Omniversal Guardian. Marduk Kurios was there in a panic and he went one on one vs Chaos King (sure he lost but hey at least he put up a fight). Hell, Jesus Christ is there! 😆