Morlun vs. Rulk

Originally posted by SamZED
Im actually thinking to write a letter and find out for sure from the writer. Cant be that hard.
But yeah, I dont beieve he intended for it to be secondary adamantium. For all we know he didnt know the IS such thing as secondary adamantium. He only cared about making Morlun seem like an unstopable threat, that's why he had him rip through adamantium net. So yeah, I guess we have to assume that it is until proven otherwise. Like you said.

Why not assume it the most common type and the one which is malleable?

I just don't get people rational. seem stupid as hell to me.

I could make my own theory how they made it malleable, what's Wakanda's best export? And what does it do?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I could make my own theory how they made it malleable, what's Wakanda's best export? And what does it do?

So it more logical to assume that black panther created the only malleable primary adamatium on earth, and the author stated nothing about this creation? then it is to assume it secondary adamatium which is the most common by far and is malleable. Not to mention well within a high class 100 ability to rip........

Dum Dum, I have never disagreed with you...think you are very knowledged at debating BUT, why would black Panther even resort to using secondary Adamantium against someone as powerful as Morlun when he know that its not unbreakable.? Come on Dum Dum. Why would the vampire nation use secondary adamantium against someone as powerful as Hulk when they know it isn't unbreakable? Doesn't make sense to me.

Vibraniumm dissolves metal, being the nifty stereotype BP is he could use comic science and combine Vibranium and Adamantium to make Malleadamatium.

I haven't stated which one he used though sec or prime, just to in general explain how this could have happened.

Just as a side question why shouldn't it be able to somehow make adamantium (regardless of sec or prime) malleable? It bounded with Wolverine's bones just fine and more or less merged with his physiology making it still possible for his bones to do their work and yet having all properties of the original adamatium.

don't see how we're supposed to assume it's secondary either. i think at some point it will likely be retconned--said that immediately--but until such time it's adamantium=adamantium, not adamantium=secondary adamantium.

i also don't think there was much if any real upgrade. in that sm arc, sm actually SAID he'd never ever been hit by anyone as hard as morlun hit him. and morlun toyed with a spidey who was going completely 150% all out. i think that was a VERY impressive showing in that spidey arc. hell, after that arc i went and made a morlun/juggs thread. 😂 so, no, i figured him for an uber powerful character right from the start. he'd beat rulk, imo. be a fun fight though.

I agree by taking a closer look at how Morlun treated Spider-man you can see it. Spider-man literally threw everything at Morlun and Morlun easily backhand bitchslapped the stuff away and he WALKED (yes I'm serious no dashing or anything) through solid walls, I have never and I really mean NEVER seen anyone doing this before, not even Hulk, that doesn't mean I put Morlun in Hulks class BUT it shows that he always was on another level.

EDIT:
YouTube video

I don't have the scans at hand but here the etire fight is shown

I also want to add that the problem with Morlun is, he was never bested in battle, it's not like Thor jumped out of a bush and has beaten him or anything, Morlun was always taken by plot devices or BFR his upper limits are still unknown. I wouldn't say he beats Supes or Thor simply because he lacks the showings but everything he encountered this far got steamrolled.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I also want to add that the problem with Morlun is, he was never bested in battle, it's not like Thor jumped out of a bush and has beaten him or anything, Morlun was always taken by plot devices or BFR his upper limits are still unknown. I wouldn't say he beats Supes or Thor simply because he lacks the showings but everything he encountered this far got steamrolled.

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that arc really was friggin' awesome.... one of my favourite spidey arcs for sure.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Vibraniumm dissolves metal, being the nifty stereotype BP is he could use comic science and combine Vibranium and Adamantium to make Malleadamatium.

You mean artic vibraniumm. Normal vibranium just absorbs kinetics energy.

Also then the object would not be primary adamatium. Also I not even sure you could combind artic vibranium to another metal, it cause the structure to weaken, having the opposite effect that you would want.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I haven't stated which one he used though sec or prime, just to in general explain how this could have happened.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Just as a side question why shouldn't it be able to somehow make adamantium (regardless of sec or prime) malleable?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
It bounded with Wolverine's bones just fine

Yes because it was attached to him before it was made into adamatium, while it was still in a liquid state prior to it cooling and transforming into adamatium. read Wolverine Weapon X. Process is shown.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
[B]
and more or less merged with his physiology making it still possible for his bones to do their work and yet having all properties of the original adamatium.

yes because when they merged it with his bones it harden into a new type of adamatium called adamatium beta. It literally part of his bones structure, not simply coating it. Also not malleable once it becomes solid.

Even if you placed in net nmold. once it harden into adamatium it would no bend and would not be a working net.

Originally posted by carver9
Dum Dum, I have never disagreed with you...think you are very knowledged at debating BUT, why would black Panther even resort to using secondary Adamantium against someone as powerful as Morlun when he know that its not unbreakable.?

Because it was still the hardest metal and unbreakable to all but the strongest individuals on the planet. It was also only used to slow him down not defeat him. Also black panther shown zero knolwedge of primary adamatium. So why on earth would you assume he have it? oh and there also the fact primary adamatium is not malleable, so you can't make a net out of it.

So why on earth would he try and net someone witha metal he does not have nor a metal that can be made into workable net?

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Dum Dum. Why would the vampire nation use secondary adamantium against someone as powerful as Hulk when they know it isn't unbreakable? Doesn't make sense to me.

Because it still one of the strongest metals on the planet. And they have no idea how to make primary adamatium. it the same reason people don't make weapons out the same stuff as capt shield, becuase they don't know how to make it.

there been total of I believe 4 people who have shown knownledge on how to create primary adamatium. There all dead. So tell me how are these vampires suppose to get a metal they have no fing idea how to make?

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]don't see how we're supposed to assume it's secondary either. i think at some point it will likely be retconned--said that immediately--but until such time it's adamantium=adamantium, not adamantium=secondary adamantium.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I agree by taking a closer look at how Morlun treated Spider-man you can see it. Spider-man literally threw everything at Morlun and Morlun easily backhand bitchslapped the stuff away and he WALKED (yes I'm serious no dashing or anything) through solid walls, I have never and I really mean NEVER seen anyone doing this before, not even Hulk, that doesn't mean I put Morlun in Hulks class BUT it shows that he always was on another level.

EDIT:
YouTube video

I don't have the scans at hand but here the etire fight is shown

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont think it will be. Writers make it very clear when something is primary adamatium. People that are discussing this dont seem to have accurate knolwedge of the subject. We assume it secondary because it the most commonly used adamatium. Only like 4 people new how to make primary adamatium and two of them did not even know the entirety of how to create it. They are all dead as well. Then there the fact primary adamatium is not malleable and never has been. Secondary adamatium is malleable and is one of the biggest difference between primary and secondary.

Yea.

And it should be noted, Secondary was created to explain the instances when adamantium had been ripped or dented in the past to begin with.

Most of the times we see secondary it's just called adamantium.

If it's unstated, and it's damaged, then it's secondary unless stated otherwise.

I feel like pulling out my hard drive and posting the Marvel Master Edition where they talk about the adamantium form seen in comics is secondary adamantium.. but, its from the late 80's and i doubt anyone would care.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea.

And it should be noted, Secondary was created to explain the instances when adamantium had been ripped or dented in the past to begin with.

Most of the times we see secondary it's just called adamantium.

If it's unstated, and it's damaged, then it's secondary unless stated otherwise.

To be fair here also primary adamatium simply gets named adamatium.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
To be fair here also primary adamatium simply gets named adamatium.

it makes sense. and i know why secondary was created by marvel. but i'm still not buying it. the terms secondary and primary are almost never used. you want us to assume that when something is referred to as adamantium, it really is NOT adamantium. doesn't really work for me. interpret it however you'd like, but until i see mention that the net was only secondary, i'll just go along with the idea that it was adamantium. hulk also shattered an enchanted uru hammer in that arc. a net of adamantium isn't that huge a stretch for me.

as for the people who know how to make it--not really buying that either. it's comics. there doesn't need to be an explanation of where it came from. the vamps were uber smart and had access to obviously uber tech. them getting adamantium isn't really a big deal to me.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's comics. there doesn't need to be an explanation of where it came from.