The truth is a lot of pre-crisis low showings are shown without context. Example: grundy koing superman in three shots. People take it like superman would get killed by a single shot of mjolnir or if anybody shouted magic in vicinity of him, he would die. What they leave out is that grundy was already tough enough to tangle with superman and he absorbed Dr. Fate and alan scott's magic while shitstomping entire JSA before that. After all any sinestro corps member would three shot post crisis superman, because cyborg did it while wearing yellow rings, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
The truth is a lot of pre-crisis low showings are shown without context. Example: grundy koing superman in three shots. People take it like superman would get killed by a single shot of mjolnir or if anybody shouted magic in vicinity of him, he would die. What they leave out is that grundy was already tough enough to tangle with superman and he absorbed Dr. Fate and alan scott's magic while shitstomping entire JSA before that. After all any sinestro corps member would three shot post crisis superman, because cyborg did it while wearing yellow rings, right?
One of your best posts, imo.
You're right. That's why there's no substitute for first hand reading, as scans and wiki's often don't tell the entire story..
Originally posted by abhilegend
The truth is a lot of pre-crisis low showings are shown without context. Example: grundy koing superman in three shots. People take it like superman would get killed by a single shot of mjolnir or if anybody shouted magic in vicinity of him, he would die. What they leave out is that grundy was already tough enough to tangle with superman and he absorbed Dr. Fate and alan scott's magic while shitstomping entire JSA before that. After all any sinestro corps member would three shot post crisis superman, because cyborg did it while wearing yellow rings, right?
So you're trying to use an example of Surfer being felled by Mexicans as an analogue for what you feel people are doing to Superman because...?
If the Sinestro Corps member in question were already physically around Superman's league and had ten of them like Henshaw did, sure.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you don't think there's plot device, context, or outright PIS when it comes to Surfer being attacked by a group of Mexicans, I don't know what to tell you.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So you're trying to use an example of Surfer being felled by Mexicans as an analogue for what you feel people are doing to Superman because...?If the Sinestro Corps member in question were already physically around Superman's league and had ten of them like Henshaw did, sure.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat does that have to do with his opinion....you are asking him to answer for someone else's opinion you think is on here somewhere.
So thor can toss planets like ping-pong balls or shit stomp PC JSA? Tell me it was not a norm, tell me. Because I read it somewhere on this site that thor would kill pc superman. I wonder how was he alive for all those years?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So thor can toss planets like ping-pong balls or shit stomp PC JSA? Tell me it was not a norm, tell me. Because I read it somewhere on this site that thor would kill pc superman. I wonder how was he alive for all those years?
Jesus Christ.
First of all, we know Thor can't do either of those things, so don't be thick headed and act butt hurt because people don't like Superman with as much zeal as you do.
Second of all, I've read a lot of inane bullshit on the forum including:
*Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is.
*The Sentry is Marvel's version of the Spectre.
*Thanos could solo the Green Lantern Corps.
*Dr. Doom would lose to Lex Luthor (LOL btw)
*Superman's heat vision is inferior to Cyclops' optic blast.
*Hulk would one shot kill Odin.
*Carver is an expert on comics.
This kind of nonsense doesn't bother me nearly as much as anything anti-Superman seems to effect you. Like, you take it personally, or at least, come off like you do.
If you want to exclusively use PC Superman's high end feats, that's your prerogative.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Jesus Christ.First of all, we know Thor can't do either of those things, so don't be thick headed and act butt hurt because people don't like Superman with as much zeal as you do.
Second of all, I've read a lot of inane bullshit on the forum including:
*Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is.
*The Sentry is Marvel's version of the Spectre.
*Thanos could solo the Green Lantern Corps.
*Dr. Doom would lose to Lex Luthor (LOL btw)
*Superman's heat vision is inferior to Cyclops' optic blast.
*Hulk would one shot kill Odin.
*Carver is an expert on comics.This kind of nonsense doesn't bother me nearly as much as anything anti-Superman seems to effect you. Like, you take it personally, or at least, come off like you do.
If you want to exclusively use PC Superman's high end feats, that's your prerogative.
Originally posted by Galan007
as far as pre-crisis feats go, i wouldn't say sivana's was PIS at all..after years of research, sivanna found a way to 'overpower' the wizard shazam, by placing him in a trance:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9170/sivana00.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8352/sivana0.jpgwith the wizard out of the way, sivana was free to reroute the magical energy of shazam, into himself - which birthed, "captain sivana":
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1907/sivana1.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/853/sivana2.jpg---
and like i've been saying, "captain sivana" was powerful enough to own..
shazam:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4720/sivana3.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6070/sivana4.jpgthe marvel family:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6481/sivana5.jpge-2 superman:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4521/sivana6.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9220/sivana7.jpg'mainstream' superman:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6572/sivana8.jpg...dude was pretty uber.
He just left a small detail
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DC_Comics_present032.jpg
I could care less about half of those things. I was just goofing around in that thread as I admitted but you even made a bait thread for me and challenged me for a battlezone and you are lecturing me on taking this too zealously. Real nice jake, real nice. Oh and doom would lose 10/10 to PC lex. He may take 1/10 against post crisis lex.😏
Anyways...
Going with Superman.
Even without using the insane stuff, he's still heads and tails superior to most Superman clones and heralds.. Faster than Surfer, imo, and as durable as anyone, and capable of moving planets and such (That scan of Mon El moving a white dwarf star is pretty much standard PC fare for Superman...)
But it's the speed that really breaks this fight for Hulk. All of his power is essentially useless if he's a statue..
Originally posted by abhilegendGalan leaves out crucial pieces of context all the time.
If it were carver saying these things, I couldn't care less. It bothers me when galan007, one of the most respected poster and creator of pc superman respect thread lefts contextHe just left a small detail
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DC_Comics_present032.jpg
I could care less about half of those things. I was just goofing around in that thread as I admitted but you even made a bait thread for me and challenged me for a battlezone and you are lecturing me on taking this too zealously. Real nice jake, real nice. Oh and doom would lose 10/10 to PC lex. He may take 1/10 against post crisis lex.😏
Originally posted by cdtm
Anyways...Going with Superman.
Even without using the insane stuff, he's still heads and tails superior to most Superman clones and heralds.. Faster than Surfer, imo, and as durable as anyone, and capable of moving planets and such (That scan of Mon El moving a white dwarf star is pretty much standard PC fare for Superman...)
But it's the speed that really breaks this fight for Hulk. All of his power is essentially useless if he's a statue..
PreCrisis Supes really don't have many combat speed fts. It all revolves around his space flight.
Originally posted by abhilegendHe likes to say "Shit stomp". hehe hehe.
So thor can toss planets like ping-pong balls or shit stomp PC JSA? Tell me it was not a norm, tell me. Because I read it somewhere on this site that thor would kill pc superman. I wonder how was he alive for all those years?
it never gets old. 🙂
