Thor vs Superman (Pure strength)

Ok, I used the search function (silly me) and found this:

The feat is where Superman helps move a planet.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/...lstheearth2.jpg

Here I use:

F=ma and the underestimation of most figures. That means that the true feat was done with more power.

Now the Earth has a mass of about 5.9736E24kg. This is 6.58E21 tons against its own gravity. So lifting the Earth against its own gravity is equivalent to accelerating a 6.58E21 ton object in space at 9.8m/s^2. Now accelerating this mass even faster is equivalent to lifting a heavier object than that of the Earth (since F=ma).

But in space 9.8m/s^2 isn't noticeable, even after a few minutes. So let's assume the three accelerated the Earth at a very small 1 mi/s^2. This is equivalent to lifting a 1.08E24 ton object against Earth's gravity*.

Now let's assume that Superman was pulling with 1/3th of the combined force. This means that he was pulling alone with a force of 3.6E23 tons**.This is equivalent to lifting a combined weight of over 50 Earths against Earth's gravity***.

Now adding in the facts that Superman was pulling with more than 1/3 of the combined force of the three, him pulling the Earth with a greater acceleration than my underestimate, and him pulling against the Sun's gravity/centripetal force and this feat is beyond belief.

Here's the math for the starred figures:

1ton of force =907.185kg of force =8896.44N of force and 1mile =1609.34meters

* F= m x a
= 5.9736E24Kg x (1 mi/s^2) x (1609.34m/1mi)
= 9.61355E27N
= 9.61355E27N x (1ton/8896.44N)
= 1.08E24 tons

** 1/3 of 1.08E24 tons = (1/3) x 1.08E24tons
= 3.6E23tons
*** 3.6E23tons x (1Earth/6.58E21tons) = 54.7 Earths

When I get home from work, I'm going to check my Obsidian Age Book Two GN. Until then, I will refrain from commenting.

Originally posted by carver9
Me and you have been going back and forth for the past 3 to 4 yrs and you feel like this because of my thoughts on one character. Get over it, that's old news (and yes, he would still stomp any Herald). This is a new year, I'm shaking your hand right now...accept it and again, move on.

Come now, its all in good fun. Don't take it too seriously. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the lols from h1 😆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, I used the search function (silly me) and found this:

When I get home from work, I'm going to check my Obsidian Age Book Two GN. Until then, I will refrain from commenting.

I just cracked up laughing at work after seeing his calculation!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, I used the search function (silly me) and found this:

When I get home from work, I'm going to check my Obsidian Age Book Two GN. Until then, I will refrain from commenting.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even if we accept this nonsense then Superman by quantifiable feats is still far stronger than Thor. Think 80-100 Earth weights of force vs. the best quantifiable thing Thor has ever done.

Let me ask you something. If Superman lifts a tank, then did he lift more than 2x the weight of a car? If so then me pulling the 2 in the 2x out of my ass is irrelevant since the statement is TRUE.

That's why we use quantifiable feats. That way, it can't be debated as to feat which is greater.

I can create a character to push back time with 1 pound of force.
Read my lips, "QUANTIFIABLE FEATS".

You forgot Mageddon. When Superman moved the Earth with Hal he exerted over 50 Earth weights of force (assuming he did half the pulling). Do you know how many tons is one Earth weight let alone 50 of them? This exceeds any quantifiable feat by Thor by an astronomical amount. Glads best strength feat which is pounding a planet to pieces with his bare fists exceeds anything Thor has ever done and that feat isn't even 1 Earth weight of force.

CHALLENGE...ACC..wait for it CEPTED!!!

Thor forcefully pulled the midgard serpent from the earth while the midgard serpent was crushing the earth.

A 5.5m Anaconda can exert a pressure of 1kg / cm^2

1kg/cm^2 x (100cm)^2/m^2 = 10,000kg/m^2

Now, the midgard serpent was coiled around the earth twice, neglecting the head, the circumference of the earth is 40,007.86 km or 40,007,860 m. Now since it was coiled twice, lets assume the length of the serpent is 2 x the circumference of the earth = 2 x 40,007,860 m = 80,015,720m.

from there we can gather that the serpent was around 14,548,312.73 times larger than a 5.5 python

80,015,720/5.5 = 14,548,312.73 times larger

now to get the equivalent pressure being exerted by the serpent on the earth

14,548,312.73 times larger x 10,000 kg/m^2 = 1.454831273E11 kg/m^2

now we multiply this with the earths gravity which is equal to 9.81m/s^2

1.454831273E11 kg/m^2 x 9.81 m/s^2 = 1.427189479E12 N/m^2

But since we know that the Midgard Serpent is no ordinary Serpent and is far stronger than any snake of equivalent size, let us assume that the Serpent is at least 20 times stronger than a normal snake of equivalent size. This is being very conservative since Thor, who is about the size of a football player is infinitely stronger than a football player.

1.427189479E12 N/m^2 x 20 = 2.854378958E13 N/m^2

now we now that F = ma, but force is also equal to surface area x pressure or F=PA

Now lets compute for the surface area of the Serpent that was in contact with the earth. So, the serpent is about 80,015,720m long and judging by the picture, it looked like its diameter was about 1/5th the diameter of the earth.

Earths mean radius = 6,371 km = 6,371,000 m

Diameter = 2r = 2 x 6,371,000m = 12,742,000m

So 1/5th of that -> 12,742,000 m /5 = 2,548,400 m

Now we get the surface area = length x width
SA = 2,548,400 m x 80,015,720 = 2.039120608E14 m^2

Now lets compute for the force exerted by the Serpent
F=PA
F=2.854378958E13 N/m^2 x 2.039120608E14 m^2
F= 5.820422956E27 N

Converting this to earth weigths

F = 2.910211478E27E26 N x 1Ton/8896.44N x 1 Earth weight/ 6.58E21 Tons
F = 99.42884562 Earth weights

Thor would have had to exert more than 99.42884562 Earth weights to pull the Serpent free of the earth.

Now this is very conservative since I only considered the amount of force exerted by a snake. Now, if we look at the scans (too lazy to put them up, I'm sure there are scans floating around somewheres) The Serpent was crushing the earth. Now to crush rock, it would take a whole lot more than 1kg/cm^2 of pressure to crack it and crush it.

I there for conclude that I have proven than Thor is at least 2 times stronger than Superman.

😈

😆

PS. I cant help but feel really really really stupid after posting this shit

lol!!

^ 😂 😂 😂

Thats twice today Iv cracked up laughing at work thanks to KMC!

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
CHALLENGE...ACC..wait for it CEPTED!!!

Thor forcefully pulled the midgard serpent from the earth while the midgard serpent was crushing the earth.

A 5.5m Anaconda can exert a pressure of 1kg / cm^2

1kg/cm^2 x (100cm)^2/m^2 = 10,000kg/m^2

Now, the midgard serpent was coiled around the earth twice, neglecting the head, the circumference of the earth is 40,007.86 km or 40,007,860 m. Now since it was coiled twice, lets assume the length of the serpent is 2 x the circumference of the earth = 2 x 40,007,860 m = 80,015,720m.

from there we can gather that the serpent was around 14,548,312.73 times larger than a 5.5 python

80,015,720/5.5 = 14,548,312.73 times larger

now to get the equivalent pressure being exerted by the serpent on the earth

14,548,312.73 times larger x 10,000 kg/m^2 = 1.454831273E11 kg/m^2

now we multiply this with the earths gravity which is equal to 9.81m/s^2

1.454831273E11 kg/m^2 x 9.81 m/s^2 = 1.427189479E12 N/m^2

But since we know that the Midgard Serpent is no ordinary Serpent and is far stronger than any snake of equivalent size, let us assume that the Serpent is at least 20 times stronger than a normal snake of equivalent size. This is being very conservative since Thor, who is about the size of a football player is infinitely stronger than a football player.

1.427189479E12 N/m^2 x 20 = 2.854378958E13 N/m^2

now we now that F = ma, but force is also equal to surface area x pressure or F=PA

Now lets compute for the surface area of the Serpent that was in contact with the earth. So, the serpent is about 80,015,720m long and judging by the picture, it looked like its diameter was about 1/5th the diameter of the earth.

Earths mean radius = 6,371 km = 6,371,000 m

Diameter = 2r = 2 x 6,371,000m = 12,742,000m

So 1/5th of that -> 12,742,000 m /5 = 2,548,400 m

Now we get the surface area = length x width
SA = 2,548,400 m x 80,015,720 = 2.039120608E14 m^2

Now lets compute for the force exerted by the Serpent
F=PA
F=2.854378958E13 N/m^2 x 2.039120608E14 m^2
F= 5.820422956E27 N

Converting this to earth weigths

F = 2.910211478E27E26 N x 1Ton/8896.44N x 1 Earth weight/ 6.58E21 Tons
F = 99.42884562 Earth weights

Thor would have had to exert more than 99.42884562 Earth weights to pull the Serpent free of the earth.

Now this is very conservative since I only considered the amount of force exerted by a snake. Now, if we look at the scans (too lazy to put them up, I'm sure there are scans floating around somewheres) The Serpent was crushing the earth. Now to crush rock, it would take a whole lot more than 1kg/cm^2 of pressure to crack it and crush it.

I there for conclude that I have proven than Thor is at least 2 times stronger than Superman.

😈

😆

PS. I cant help but feel really really really stupid after posting this shit

lol!!

😆 😂 😆

Now this was a good one.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
CHALLENGE...ACC..wait for it CEPTED!!!

Thor forcefully pulled the midgard serpent from the earth while the midgard serpent was crushing the earth...

I see you went through a lot of trouble with your calculations. Assuming the concept is correct then your calculations are fairly correct too. But the problem is in some concepts and facts about the serpent:

1. If you pull a living thing's head or body part then it will let go to prevent injury. Thus you don't necessarily have to defeat it's grip but it's durability. For example, if someone pull my little toe (or head) hard enough while I'm holding on to iron jail bars then I'm going to let go the jail bars to prevent my toe (or head) from being injured.

2. The Earth didn't move in the process and thus Thor exerted less than 1 Earth weight easily. If it took more than 1 Earth weight of force to break the Serpent's grip then Thor would have easily moved the Earth a lot in the process of breaking the Serpent's grip.

3. The Serpent was magically (and very lightly) crushing the Earth with its ethereal coils. The Serpent wasn't tangible at all since it was invisible to all men. No one ever saw the Serpent or even felt it. That means Thor broke a magical grip and not a physical one (which is stated in the official handbook). This makes it feasible for it to take less than 1 Earth weight of force to break the grip.

4. Thor struggled several times in trying to lift the materialized Serpent. This implies that there is evidence (not proof) that the force needed to break the grip is less than the weight of the Serpent (when materialized).

5. The boat had to supply power to the pull since Thor's arms are not long enough to pull the serpent of that size completely off the Earth.

In conclusion, 2. is the strongest argument against your concept. It alone proves that Thor exerted less than 1 Earth weight. Combined with 1. and 3. and we have a reasonable explanation of why.
4. is the weakest but it still supports 2.
5. will be rejected by some since the narration didn't claim that the boat supplied any power. But we know that it did since we see the Serpent being pulled completely off the planet while Thor is in the boat.

Good try though.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. If you pull a living thing's head or body part then it will let go to prevent injury. Thus you don't necessarily have to defeat it's grip but it's durability. For example, if someone pull my little toe (or head) hard enough while I'm holding on to iron jail bars then I'm going to let go the jail bars to prevent my toe (or head) from being injured.

😂

Originally posted by h1a8
3. The Serpent was magically (and very lightly) crushing the Earth with its ethereal coils. The Serpent wasn't tangible at all since it was invisible to all men. No one ever saw the Serpent or even felt it. That means Thor broke a magical grip and not a physical one (which is stated in the official handbook). This makes it feasible for it to take less than 1 Earth weight of force to break the grip.

The Serpent was ethereal to men but very real and physical to Thor as well as the other Asgardians. It was physically crushing the Earth and causing devastating effects so it was definitely manifesting on the earthly dimension significantly. It didn't have some sort of immaterial mass, it's why Thor struggled so and even wrestled the Serpent later.

Lol, post that handbook entry.

Originally posted by h1a8
4. Thor struggled several times in trying to lift the materialized Serpent. This implies that there is evidence (not proof) that the force needed to break the grip is less than the weight of the Serpent (when materialized).

I only briefly skimmed through this shit but how is Thor struggling to lift the Serpent's entire mass evidence of this? Are you suggesting that Thor didn't struggle with breaking the grip?

Also, point me to these several instances.

Originally posted by h1a8
5. The boat had to supply power to the pull since Thor's arms are not long enough to pull the serpent of that size completely off the Earth.

If you want to discredit Thor's feat, you're going to have to do better than that. We see the entire event on panel, Thor tugs hard enough to force the Serpent free. There isn't any off-panel mystical shit going, it was very straight forward, the comic even made a very direct emphasis on strength.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

The Serpent was ethereal to men but very real and physical to Thor as well as the other Asgardians. It was physically crushing the Earth and causing devastating effects so it was definitely manifesting on the earthly dimension significantly. It didn't have some sort of immaterial mass, it's why Thor struggled so and even wrestled the Serpent later.

Lol, post that handbook entry.

I only briefly skimmed through this shit but how is Thor struggling to lift the Serpent's entire mass evidence of this? Are you suggesting that Thor didn't struggle with breaking the grip?

Also, point me to these several instances.

If you want to discredit Thor's feat, you're going to have to do better than that. We see the entire event on panel, Thor tugs hard enough to force the Serpent free. There isn't any off-panel mystical shit going, it was very straight forward, the comic even made a very direct emphasis on strength.

Something is either intangible or it's not. This is the law of the excluded middle.
The word "ethereal" supports that. I didn't claim or imply that Thor didn't use strength or that he didn't struggle to break it's grip. I just claimed that the concept of how much strength was flawed since it was more of a magical grip (still required strength to break).

The fact that the planet didn't move is proof that Thor exerted less than planetary force which is the bottom line. The other numbers were just to support the why (they are not needed) for the sake of curiosity.

Originally posted by h1a8
Something is either intangible or it's not. This is the law of the excluded middle.
The word "ethereal" supports that. I didn't claim or imply that Thor didn't use strength or that he didn't struggle to break it's grip. I just claimed that the concept of how much strength was flawed since it was more of a magical grip (still required strength to break).

The fact that the planet didn't move is proof that Thor exerted less than planetary force which is the bottom line. The other numbers were just to support the why (they are not needed) for the sake of curiosity.

So you're saying the Earth wasn't in danger since the Midgard Serpent was crushing it ethereally and not physically?Then why did Thor even bother breaking the Serpent's grip if it wasn't really crushing the Earth physically then?Your post is suggesting that the Earth wasn't in danger at all 😬

Originally posted by h1a8
I see you went through a lot of trouble with your calculations. Assuming the concept is correct then your calculations are fairly correct too. But the problem is in some concepts and facts about the serpent:

1. If you pull a living thing's head or body part then it will let go to prevent injury. Thus you don't necessarily have to defeat it's grip but it's durability. For example, if someone pull my little toe (or head) hard enough while I'm holding on to iron jail bars then I'm going to let go the jail bars to prevent my toe (or head) from being injured.

2. The Earth didn't move in the process and thus Thor exerted less than 1 Earth weight easily. If it took more than 1 Earth weight of force to break the Serpent's grip then Thor would have easily moved the Earth a lot in the process of breaking the Serpent's grip.

3. The Serpent was magically (and very lightly) crushing the Earth with its ethereal coils. The Serpent wasn't tangible at all since it was invisible to all men. No one ever saw the Serpent or even felt it. That means Thor broke a magical grip and not a physical one (which is stated in the official handbook). This makes it feasible for it to take less than 1 Earth weight of force to break the grip.

4. Thor struggled several times in trying to lift the materialized Serpent. This implies that there is evidence (not proof) that the force needed to break the grip is less than the weight of the Serpent (when materialized).

5. The boat had to supply power to the pull since Thor's arms are not long enough to pull the serpent of that size completely off the Earth.

In conclusion, 2. is the strongest argument against your concept. It alone proves that Thor exerted less than 1 Earth weight. Combined with 1. and 3. and we have a reasonable explanation of why.
4. is the weakest but it still supports 2.
5. will be rejected by some since the narration didn't claim that the boat supplied any power. But we know that it did since we see the Serpent being pulled completely off the planet while Thor is in the boat.

Good try though.

I knew you'd try post stuff like these hence I am prepared

1. The Serpent is no ordinary creature who's durability is far greater than that of a normal snake of equal size. Again, Thor is the size of a football player but is infinitely more durable than a football player. So you first point is moot

2. The earth is being held in place and anchored by the world tree and the other realms which is magical in nature. Hence, no point arguing this shit. Same could be said about Superman, Wonderwoman and MM pulling the earth with her lasso. The pressure alone should have crushed the earth. but it didnt, so again, your point is moot and holds no bearing

3. The Serpent was ethereal to the people of earth but very real to Thor and, as seen in the damage it was doing to earth, it was as real as the earth itself. If it were ethereal, it wouldnt have caused any physical damage or caused all those shit on earth. Its death grip on earth is real and physical. Again, its the same thing with SM,WW and MM, the lasso is magic, whose to say that its not magically helping in pulling the earth? much of your assumptions and conclusions are very biased, giving one feat the benefit of the doubt while ignoring another just because it doesn't suite your arguments. Again, your point is once again moot and irrelevant.

4. We all know that lifting requires more strain than just pulling. To illustrate, I can push a 800kg car but I sure as hell cant begin to even budge it when trying to lift it. But that doesn't matter because we have on panel feat of Thor pulling the serpent and breaking its death grip on earth. This feat, as I already shown can be quantified hence proven true. Again, your point is irrelevant and does not hold water.

5. We see the boat just floating around. It did dont change position nor was it shown to be moving at all, your argument is again invalidated. The boat was just serving as a platform for Thor to stand on.

I have now invalidated all of your arguments and claims. As it stands, I have shown you that can pull 100 earth weights. It is now your turn to show me a quantifiable feat of Superman that can trump this.

If you fail to do so then it would just mean that Thor is indeed stronger than Superman.

To make things easier for you, the greenlanter and superman feat is now where near 100 earth weights. From your previous computations, superman was pulling around 54 earth weights which is a third of the work being done, the total work done is 162 earth weights. If superman was providing half of the work and kyle was providing the other half, that would be 81 earth weights which is around 20 earth weights lesser than Thor's 100 earth weight pulling feet.

Now, come and prove that Superman can pull more than 100 earth weights!

😈 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
Something is either intangible or it's not. This is the law of the excluded middle.
The word "ethereal" supports that. I didn't claim or imply that Thor didn't use strength or that he didn't struggle to break it's grip. I just claimed that the concept of how much strength was flawed since it was more of a magical grip (still required strength to break).

The fact that the planet didn't move is proof that Thor exerted less than planetary force which is the bottom line. The other numbers were just to support the why (they are not needed) for the sake of curiosity.

All your arguments are moot and invalidated. I have proven that Thor can pull more than 100 earth weights. Instead of whining come and show me Superman pulling or lifting more than 100 earth weights.

You made a challenge, I accepted and delivered. Now, your turn, show me Superman trumping this. It shouldn't be too hard since it is Superman after all, there should be lots of relevant feats of his floating around here and there that can trump Thor's 100 earth weight pulling feat.

😈 😆

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
All your arguments are moot and invalidated. I have proven that Thor can pull more than 100 earth weights. Instead of whining come and show me Superman pulling or lifting more than 100 earth weights.

You made a challenge, I accepted and delivered. Now, your turn, show me Superman trumping this. It shouldn't be too hard since it is Superman after all, there should be lots of relevant feats of his floating around here and there that can trump Thor's 100 earth weight pulling feat.

😈 😆

But you didn't prove that Thor could even lift 1 Earth weight. The planet never moved at all.

Originally posted by Igniz
So you're saying the Earth wasn't in danger since the Midgard Serpent was crushing it ethereally and not physically?Then why did Thor even bother breaking the Serpent's grip if it wasn't really crushing the Earth physically then?Your post is suggesting that the Earth wasn't in danger at all 😬

h1's arguments can easily be shot down. For instance, in comcis, we have ghosts who are intangible that can pass through walls and yet they can move objects and stuff.

There goes h1's arguments...

😛

Originally posted by h1a8
But you didn't prove that Thor could even lift 1 Earth weight. The planet never moved at all.

like I said, Earth is anchored by the World tree, which in turn holds the 9 realms as well as time itself in place.

Thats comic for you, Accept it and stop whining.

So there we have it. Superman moved 50 Earth weights and Thor moved 100 Earth weights.

@h1

If you want to be technical about it

Reinforced concrete has a compressive strength of 20-30MPa. Say the Earth has a Compressive strength of 40MPa

Now, the lasso was tied around the earth multiple times, lets say that the total surface area covered by the lasso is 10% of the earths surface area.

Earths SA = 4 x Pi x r^2 = 4 x Pi x (6,370,000m)^2 = 5.100644719 E14 m^2

10% of that is 5.100644719 E13 m^2

Now multiplying surface area with the compressive capacity

5.100644719 E13 m^2 x 40 N/mm^2 x (1000mm)^2/(1m)^2 =
2.040257888E21 N

Converting to tons
2.040257888E21 N x 1ton / 8896.44N = 2.29334193E17 tons

Converting to earth weights

2.29334193E17 tons x 1 earth weight / 6.58E21 tons

we arrive at 3.485322082E-5 earth weights

This value is the least amount of force needed to be exerted on the earth by the lasso to crush it into little tiny earth pieces.

Now since Superman, according to you was pulling more than 50 earth weights, then the earth should have shattered and crushed by the force exerted by Superman.

Base on this, Superman, Wonderwoman and MM should be exerting less than 2.29334193E17 tons of force to prevent the earth from crumbling to little pieces. Now thats about 0.0035% of the earths total weight.

In conclusion, Superman could only have been pulling at most 0.00116% of the earths weight.

See...I can be technical too

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Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
I knew you'd try post stuff like these hence I am prepared

1. The Serpent is no ordinary creature who's durability is far greater than that of a normal snake of equal size. Again, Thor is the size of a football player but is infinitely more durable than a football player. So you first point is moot

2. The earth is being held in place and anchored by the world tree and the other realms which is magical in nature. Hence, no point arguing this shit. Same could be said about Superman, Wonderwoman and MM pulling the earth with her lasso. The pressure alone should have crushed the earth. but it didnt, so again, your point is moot and holds no bearing

3. The Serpent was ethereal to the people of earth but very real to Thor and, as seen in the damage it was doing to earth, it was as real as the earth itself. If it were ethereal, it wouldnt have caused any physical damage or caused all those shit on earth. Its death grip on earth is real and physical. Again, its the same thing with SM,WW and MM, the lasso is magic, whose to say that its not magically helping in pulling the earth? much of your assumptions and conclusions are very biased, giving one feat the benefit of the doubt while ignoring another just because it doesn't suite your arguments. Again, your point is once again moot and irrelevant.

4. We all know that lifting requires more strain than just pulling. To illustrate, I can push a 800kg car but I sure as hell cant begin to even budge it when trying to lift it. But that doesn't matter because we have on panel feat of Thor pulling the serpent and breaking its death grip on earth. This feat, as I already shown can be quantified hence proven true. Again, your point is irrelevant and does not hold water.

5. We see the boat just floating around. It did dont change position nor was it shown to be moving at all, your argument is again invalidated. The boat was just serving as a platform for Thor to stand on.

I have now invalidated all of your arguments and claims. As it stands, I have shown you that can pull 100 earth weights. It is now your turn to show me a quantifiable feat of Superman that can trump this.

To make things easier for you, the greenlanter and superman feat is now where near 100 earth weights. From your previous computations, superman was pulling around 54 earth weights which is a third of the work being done, the total work done is 162 earth weights. If superman was providing half of the work and kyle was providing the other half, that would be 81 earth weights which is around 20 earth weights lesser than Thor's 100 earth weight pulling feet.

Now, come and prove that Superman can pull more than 100 earth weights!

😈 😆

But Thor only exerted 1 Earth weight of force. If the Earth doesn't move when Thor did the feat then he can't have applied more than 1 Earth weight of force.

Originally posted by Igniz
So you're saying the Earth wasn't in danger since the Midgard Serpent was crushing it ethereally and not physically?Then why did Thor even bother breaking the Serpent's grip if it wasn't really crushing the Earth physically then?Your post is suggesting that the Earth wasn't in danger at all 😬

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
h1's arguments can easily be shot down. For instance, in comcis, we have ghosts who are intangible that can pass through walls and yet they can move objects and stuff.

There goes h1's arguments...

😛

That's because they can magically move them or by using some type of energy causation.

Originally posted by carver9
So there we have it. Superman moved 50 Earth weights and Thor moved 100 Earth weights.

Actually no, with my new calculations, I have arrive at a conclusion that Superman was only pulling 1.1618E-5 earth weights or just 0.001618 percent of the earths total weight.

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