Thor vs Superman (Pure strength)

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
lol @ hi1 grasping at straws

Stabilizing earth in someway? really? thats all you can come up with? You claim that the earth wont be destroyed if its "stabilized in someway" and yet cant accept the fact that the earth didn't move when Thor tugged on the Serpent due to the nature of the Serpent.

Plus, where is this proof of stabilization? Clearly on panel, all we see is a lasso tied around the earth and a green lantern construct anchored on the earth. do we see some magical shield or green lantern shield? nope! there is none! hence, it was not stabilized in anyway and the Earth should have been destroyed to the force your are claiming that Superman exerted.

Yet, the Earth didn't get destroyed. This proves that all your claims of 50 earth weights is false.

Unless you can show on panel proof of this stabilization you're claiming, Superman didn't exert 50 earth weights of force and Thor is exponentially stronger Than Superman as I have proven that Thor has exerted over 100 earth weights of force while Superman could barely exert 0.003% earth weight of force.

Thor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman in strenght

Now that we now that Thor is exponentially stronger than Superman, all superman has now is his speed.

Hence in any fight Thor wins 10/10 against Superman.

We would reach a contradiction if the Earth wasn't stabilized yet was accelerated the same way. Thus stabilization is proved through the Earth not being destroyed. Accelerating the Earth implies a force and the Earth not being destroyed implies stabilization. It is really easy, kindergarten easy.

Note: I am only arguing the Hal and Superman feat as this is the feat where the >80 Earth weight force comes from.

P.S. why don't you help me with Rotiart. He doesn't understand f=ma. He thinks to accelerate objects in space requires no force.

Originally posted by rotiart
And before yu say something as stupid again as not understanding f=ma.
Realize that that we need to know change in velocity over change in time...

Explain wtf that has to do with moving a planet.

Let me simplify this for your little brain.
A rocket leaving earth requires more more force to leave the earth than moving that same object floating in space.

And if you've ever done these calculations like I did back when I was in physics you'd know wth I'm talking about instead of what bill nye the science guy told you on public access.

Escape velocity is only for projectiles. It's the minimum velocity you must launched an object in order for it to escape. But applying a force to an airborne object is NOT A PROJECTILE. And thus could be sent to space with just a little more force than its weight (but it would take a long time to get it there). Imagine Superman flying something into space very very slowly. He is applying a force slightly greater than the sum of his and the objects weight.

Also you are confusing moving with accelerating. Assuming no outside forces (Sun's gravity, etc.) then I can move the Earth with only human strength. But the accelerating would be very very low. So you are right, objects can be moved in space with any amount of force. But to accelerate them higher requires a higher force.

Originally posted by h1a8
We would reach a contradiction if the Earth wasn't stabilized yet was accelerated the same way. Thus stabilization is proved through the Earth not being destroyed. Accelerating the Earth implies a force and the Earth not being destroyed implies stabilization. It is really easy, kindergarten easy.

Note: I am only arguing the Hal and Superman feat as this is the feat where the >80 Earth weight force comes from.

P.S. why don't you help me with Rotiart. He doesn't understand f=ma. He thinks to accelerate objects in space requires no force.

The same can be said about the the Serpent feat. It being anchored by the world tree is, by all logic ridiculous, but its comic and magic is a big part of Thor's comic. Its one of those things that can never ever be explained or quantified using real life science.

Sure, we can try and apply math and shit, but most of the time, we will fail due to the fact that all these feats were made and thought of by the writers to show how impressive the character is and does not consider real world science.

I will adimit that the 100 earth weight is an exaggeration, but does show that Thor is at least in the same ball park as Superman strength wise. Thor isn't necessarily stronger but he's up there. If you can accept this then we have nothing to argue about.

As for f=ma, the larger the object, given that acceleration remains constant the more force is applied. I believe that problem lies with the misconception of equating that mass and weight are the same thing. Mass is in kg or lbs while weight is in Newtons or force lbs. Weight is the force due to gravity. Which by itself is already proof that Mass is directly proportional to force since gravity is the acceleration due to the pull of the earth and a larger object would have a larger impact on the earth's surface due to its larger mass.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Its an abstract strength feat though, like infinite book and slowing spectre or lifting sky. Despite what some would think, I don't think that the midgard serpent was anywhere close to being as heavy as earth.

Well it wrapped several times around th earth. And it was crushing the earth. And it was trying to resist thor. Why would you not think of it as even being close(at the very least)

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
I dont think the midgard serpent is as heavy as the earth either. But it is one huge ass serpent said to be able to coil itself around the earth multiple times. If were to believe the on panel representation, it can coil its body around the earth at least twice, which makes it one huge ass snake.

IMO, when characters starts lifting content size piece of rocks, busting moons and planets, and pulling planets, the feat becomes more ridiculous than impressive.

Lifting a car is impressive, lifting a tank is damn impressive, supporting an entire skyscrapers weight is really damn impressive, busting a mountain is kinda silly, busting a moon size rock is stupid and pulling a small planetoid is just down right ridiculous.

The serpent is nowhere near as heavy as the earth, if we still use gogo's anaconda scaling example.

If its 14,548,313 x larger than a 5.5 meter anaconda, which would weigh maybe 200 lbs, and assuming equal proportions between the two, the serpent would be 307,920,007,286,924,570,030 tons. Or 307 quintillion tons. Nowhere near as heavy as the Earth. You can multiply it by 3 to account for the supposed Asgardian density factor.

Originally posted by h1a8
We would reach a contradiction if the Earth wasn't stabilized yet was accelerated the same way. Thus stabilization is proved through the Earth not being destroyed. Accelerating the Earth implies a force and the Earth not being destroyed implies stabilization. It is really easy, kindergarten easy.

Note: I am only arguing the Hal and Superman feat as this is the feat where the >80 Earth weight force comes from.

P.S. why don't you help me with Rotiart. He doesn't understand f=ma. He thinks to accelerate objects in space requires no force.

Lol? You thinki need help?
If F=ma
Then logically a =f/m
Explaining acceleration can be determined by knowing the force applied divided by the mass..

Explain how you determined what the acceleration was I arrived at the force...

And also you haven't explained how you arrived at the change in the velocity I the object over time to arrive at the force ecause it isn't explained in the object

And the force necessary for an object to leave space has to take into account either continual force or initial force. With rockets we can't get te initial force necessary so to help lift them we apply continual force

A "superman" feat such as moving a static object that is not moving would need initial force to move a testing object....

You can't show the rate of acceleration, change in velocity or even change in time.
Means you can't determine the actual force by only knowin the mass.

So what do you do? Hia8 you make up a bunch of numbers to plug in to make your numbers work.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The serpent is nowhere near as heavy as the earth, if we still use gogo's anaconda scaling example.

If its 14,548,313 x larger than a 5.5 meter anaconda, which would weigh maybe 200 lbs, and assuming equal proportions between the two, the serpent would be 307,920,007,286,924,570,030 tons. Or 307 quintillion tons. Nowhere near as heavy as the Earth. You can multiply it by 3 to account for the supposed Asgardian density factor.

Lifting 307 quintillion tons is still ridiculous under any standards.

Can you even imagine what that looks like? It looks stupid.

Originally posted by rotiart
Lol? You thinki need help?
If F=ma
Then logically a =f/m
Explaining acceleration can be determined by knowing the force applied divided by the mass..

Explain how you determined what the acceleration was I arrived at the force...

And also you haven't explained how you arrived at the change in the velocity I the object over time to arrive at the force ecause it isn't explained in the object

And the force necessary for an object to leave space has to take into account either continual force or initial force. With rockets we can't get te initial force necessary so to help lift them we apply continual force

A "superman" feat such as moving a static object that is not moving would need initial force to move a testing object....

You can't show the rate of acceleration, change in velocity or even change in time.
Means you can't determine the actual force by only knowin the mass.

So what do you do? Hia8 you make up a bunch of numbers to plug in to make your numbers work.

actually, yeah.. I thought it was pretty clear that, aside from the earth's mass, everything was "assumed" 😛

^Don't waste your time with h1a8. These so called uber feats would take you nowhere. Drax ripped apart a star with his bare hands and thor took his punches with proffesor hulk without much problem. Pre zero-hour Mon-el transported a white star to another solar system, towed pocket-dimension earth along with Dev-em and Andromeda amidst a time storm and superman koed him two times, one time while suffocating. The ultimate strength test is how characters interact with each other.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
actually, yeah.. I thought it was pretty clear that, aside from the earth's mass, everything was "assumed" 😛

Nice. Hia8 asks you to help with me and you basically agree with my arguement... That hia8 pulls numbers out his bum.

Lol.

Based on what I've read in both comics and writers opinions on the fight:

Thor - Best case scenario, on par with Superman strength wise and having an edge due to the magical background.

Superman: Best case scenario, a slight strength edge but enough to give him the win in a purely close combat situation.

I think for the most part, their equal. My ideal answer would be an indefinite stalemate but I if I had to pick one, I'd give Superman the edge.

If it wasn't for clamoring from fans, even Busiek would have probably had them stalemate but I realize his is a more extreme view -like Bryne- due to his appeal for the Silver Age. Still, I think the times have changed, and Marvel has caught up with DC power wise significantly.

I wonder if Thor was there instead of Captain Marvel, I wonder if Thor would have been able to lift the book of infinite pages with Superman? What do you think Rage? By the way, what happened to the scans you were PMing me?

His an elite high end strong man who's at least a peer to Superman so why not.

Yea, my bad, I'll get to it tomorrow for sure. I'm just tired because classes have started, I have no motive to do anything.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His an elite high end strong man who's at least a peer to Superman so why not.

Yea, my bad, I'll get to it tomorrow for sure. I'm just tired because classes have started, I have no motive to do anything.

What's your major?

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]^Moving the wheels of maggedon

And he was just one of many moving them.

^Huh, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Huh, what are you talking about?

Superman wasn't the only one moving Maggedon.

And, the wheels were moving before he was even captured, so I highly doubt they suddenly dumped the entire work on him instead of having him supplement the slave labor that was moving it before his capture.

I'm tired of correcting your lowballing of superman. Do you hate superman or something? I know you love captain marvel, lobo, gl and all other guys but only lowball superman, why? Do you have any proof or its just carver's "human were pulling chains"? J'onn clearly states that it was superman "pulling the endless millwheels of maggedon", not "superman and some other techno-constructs were pulling the endless millwheels of maggedon". Where did you find that the wheels were moving before and your doubting at this point is just short of meaningless to me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm tired of correcting your lowballing of superman. Do you hate superman or something? I know you love captain marvel, lobo, gl and all other guys but only lowball superman, why? Do you have any proof or its just carver's "human were pulling chains"? J'onn clearly states that it was superman "pulling the endless millwheels of maggedon", not "superman and some other techno-constructs were pulling the endless millwheels of maggedon". Where did you find that the wheels were moving before and your doubting at this point is just short of meaningless to me.

Was Maggedon operating before it reached Earth?

Obviously. Therefore, the wheels were turning before they captured Superman.