Originally posted by abhilegend
Why don't you do it? What does that prove anyway? We already saw superman almost got sucked in that black hole.
If that black hole wasn't contained...more than Superman would have been sucked in. Martian Manhunter stated that once the containment field was depleted, the Earth would be destroyed.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...gotcha. Now here is a question I would like to know. How much stronger is Diana over regular Superman since she caught a punch with one hand from a pissed Superman that was merged with Doomsday?
Originally posted by carver9
If that black hole wasn't contained...more than Superman would have been sucked in. Martian Manhunter stated that once the containment field was depleted, the Earth would be destroyed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz. First read the comic carvy, it wasn't doomsday merged with superman, it was a superman whose pain was turned physical by circe. That's the same comic where diana said kal would kill her with 3 blocked punches. That's why no one read wonder woman back in the day.
I never said she was more durable than Superman,I said she blocked his punch and she did.
Originally posted by Newjak
Not a lot,Like if I were to put it in human strength levels.
Superman would bench the equivalent of 25-30 lbs more than what Thor could.
Like Thor could bench 400
Superman would bench 430 or something.
It's close and they both are top tier strength
Originally posted by carver9Blocking someone punch doesn't require greater strength. For example, a weaker martial artist can easily block a stronger character's punch. A catch is a block only that you can absorb the punch. It takes skill.
Lol...gotcha. Now here is a question I would like to know. How much stronger is Diana over regular Superman since she caught a punch with one hand from a pissed Superman that was merged with Doomsday?
Also we can't go by stuff like that since all characters are sometimes written down and up to match another character. Look at Thor vs. Ulik or more extreme Firelord vs. Spider-man.
Lastly, character's strength level flucuates from comic to comic. So Superman or Glads punching someone with all their might doesn't mean they are striking with the force they have been shown to generate in another comic. For example, most of the time when Glads punches someone it isn't with planet busting force. Surfer doesn't blast with planet destroying force.
The problem here is that you created a double standard. You like to go by feats, yet when others argue feats on the D.C. side you argue that we can't go by feats. What gives?
Originally posted by h1a8
Blocking someone punch doesn't require greater strength. For example, a weaker martial artist can easily block a stronger character's punch. A catch is a block only that you can absorb the punch. It takes skill.Also we can't go by stuff like that since all characters are sometimes written down and up to match another character. Look at Thor vs. Ulik or more extreme Firelord vs. Spider-man.
Lastly, character's strength level flucuates from comic to comic. So Superman or Glads punching someone with all their might doesn't mean they are striking with the force they have been shown to generate in another comic. For example, most of the time when Glads punches someone it isn't with planet busting force. Surfer doesn't blast with planet destroying force.
The problem here is that you created a double standard. You like to go by feats, yet when others argue feats on the D.C. side you argue that we can't go by feats. What gives?
So a pissed Superman that was amped punching at Wonder Woman and her catching this punch isn't a sign of strength. What fts am I dismissing to suggest Superman is stronger than Thor. Thor clashed hammers with another Thor which resulted in a impact resembling the big bang. That surpass any strength ft I can think of. Now go ahead and downplay.
Originally posted by CosmicComet👆
The writer(s) obviously cared enough to create the explanation.Giving an explanation for the impossible is not the angle that can be called, 'nonsense', logically.
Superman lifting a mountain = nonsense.
Superman lifting a mountain because his tactile tk allows him to spread the force over the entire mass = oh wow. clever idea.
If you want to just turn off your brain to logic in comics, (which is fine) at least be consistent about it. Afterall. You are trying to push here that lifting 'half of infinity' is equivalent to lifting full 'infinity' because logically it should be. But guess what? 'It's comics'. 🙂
Superman needed help and struggled, Ultraman did not. It's non-sense, focus on quantifiable feats (Especially since Thor has a feat or two regarding something as stupid as 'infinite' weight as well). In which case, Superman should still have the edge.
All this infinite weight stuff is farcical. Quantifiable stuff is certainly the way to go as opposed to abstract/metaphysical and self contradictory feats ( iirc spectre was the weight of eternity and yet he was able to fall on the moon without sending it spiraling out of orbit or spliting it to pieces).
Superman is stronger than Thor either way though. Not by anything close to a considerable margin but pretty inarguable imo.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt has not been retconned, superman does not use much strength when flying heavy objects, he strains to lift a mountain until he starts flying and he tells why himself. Superman lifting feats are not as great as thors when it comes to pure strength... look at 16 and 17.
That's been retconned along with his aura. Even in that era it was almost always forgottenhttp://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/AdventuresOfAnnual02b.jpg
Considering that two of his best feats (infinity lifting and maggedon) happened with him standing and for another he needed hal to make a construct (moving earth), this tactile-telikinesis non-sense holds no water. Kal IS stronger.
Originally posted by abhilegendHavoc has held a black hole back using his powers...
And? J'onn isn't a reliable source. Superman stated that it was partially contained and we saw him almost get sucked in. That's more reliable than manhunter's words. Who was holding the black hole anyway?
Originally posted by country1000Its not the same genius 😬
Havoc has held a black hole back using his powers...
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/electro-vs-havok/561506/?page=3
Originally posted by carver9
So a pissed Superman that was amped punching at Wonder Woman and her catching this punch isn't a sign of strength. What fts am I dismissing to suggest Superman is stronger than Thor. Thor clashed hammers with another Thor which resulted in a impact resembling the big bang. That surpass any strength ft I can think of. Now go ahead and downplay.
The hammer feat wasn't a strength feat. The hammers are imbued with magic and energy drawn from other dimensions. If the hammers were regular uru hammers (no enchantments) then nothing would have happened when the Thors clashed.
To answer your question, it is a sign of both strength and skill. But to achieve the feat doesn't require more strength than the being who throws the punch.
Superman is stronger and faster but has weaknesses. Thor is more versatile and doesn't have glaring weakness.
Originally posted by h1a8
The hammer feat wasn't a strength feat. The hammers are imbued with magic and energy drawn from other dimensions. If the hammers were regular uru hammers (no enchantments) then nothing would have happened when the Thors clashed.To answer your question, it is a sign of both strength and skill. But to achieve the feat doesn't require more strength than the being who throws the punch.
Superman is stronger and faster but has weaknesses. Thor is more versatile and doesn't have glaring weakness.
How does skill have anything to do with two hammers colliding creating a force equal to the big bang? I also want you to prove magic had something to do with it.
