Thor vs Superman (Pure strength)

Started by Igniz32 pages

Quick question guys.Since this is a strength feat thread.Here's my question.In Thor#425, Thor was able to hurl Surtur's Twilight Sword against Surtur and Ymir.We all know Surtur destroyed a Galaxy forging this sword.Is this considered Thor lifting and hurling a Galaxy since Twilight is forged by destroying a Galaxy?

not when magic is involved

Originally posted by country1000
It has not been retconned, superman does not use much strength when flying heavy objects, he strains to lift a mountain until he starts flying and he tells why himself. Superman lifting feats are not as great as thors when it comes to pure strength... look at 16 and 17.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatmanvsWolverine/news/?a=49617

Byrne era. Do you know what a retcon means? Almost anything in 90's and before were explained as SBP meddling with time stream. Son byrne's man of steel and Waid's Birthright and their explanation of superman's powers were glitches in the time-stream.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/Realityalterpunch2.jpg

You can see multiple rockets leaving a destructing krypton. They are indicative of many origins of superman since COIE which are no longer canon and anything linked with those origins are retconned away like parallax bug retconned away emerald twilight and zero hour. So try again with something recent.

Originally posted by Igniz
Quick question guys.Since this is a strength feat thread.Here's my question.In Thor#425, Thor was able to hurl Surtur's Twilight Sword against Surtur and Ymir.We all know Surtur destroyed a Galaxy forging this sword.Is this considered Thor lifting and hurling a Galaxy since Twilight is forged by destroying a Galaxy?

I would like to think so,
Originally posted by psycho gundam
not when magic is involved

but then there's also that.

was its weight ever explicitly referred to as being equivalent to a galaxy?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not when magic is involved

Can't the same be said regarding Superman lifting the book with infinite pages?

Originally posted by carver9
I never said she was more durable than Superman,I said she blocked his punch and she did.

No, she said he would tear both of her arms from sockets by just punching her bracelets. I take you didn't read the comic, superman was not amped. Circe turned his pain physical which resulted in him growing bone protrusions. Where was it stated that he was amped?
Originally posted by carver9
So Manhunter was lying.?

Obviously.

Originally posted by carver9
So a pissed Superman that was amped punching at Wonder Woman and her catching this punch isn't a sign of strength. What fts am I dismissing to suggest Superman is stronger than Thor. Thor clashed hammers with another Thor which resulted in a impact resembling the big bang. That surpass any strength ft I can think of. Now go ahead and downplay.

It was specifically stated that it was a bolt of mystic energy and "big bang" was obviously a hyperbole.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir165-StrikingPower439.jpg

Kal-EL and Kal-L broke entire space-time by punching each other

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/70950400rk0.jpg

People take that book feat a bit too literally. I've even seen people try to use math calculations and shit. ermm

It proves that Superman is very strong, we run into problems when we got past that. A better strength feat would be Superman slowing down and stopping that huge Monitor ship.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was specifically stated that it was a bolt of mystic energy and "big bang" was obviously a hyperbole.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir165-StrikingPower439.jpg

Kal-EL and Kal-L broke entire space-time by punching each other

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/70950400rk0.jpg

Possibly but probably not. Zarrako was going to use the energy/force collected from the encounter to collapse an infinite number of time lines to make him the ruler of the Multiverse or some other similar plot.

I'm going to re-read Infinite Crisis.

No need to reread the book. The time line was being screwed with during the time both Supes was fighting. Superman didn't have anything to do with breaking through space/time. That was more on Prime partner end (Alexander Luthor).

Originally posted by Igniz
Quick question guys.Since this is a strength feat thread.Here's my question.In Thor#425, Thor was able to hurl Surtur's Twilight Sword against Surtur and Ymir.We all know Surtur destroyed a Galaxy forging this sword.Is this considered Thor lifting and hurling a Galaxy since Twilight is forged by destroying a Galaxy?

Can I see the scans? I thought he hurled odinsword at arishem.

Originally posted by carver9
Can't the same be said regarding Superman lifting the book with infinite pages?
No one sane considers that a quantifiable feat.

Originally posted by carver9
No need to reread the book. The time line was being screwed with during the time both Supes was fighting. Superman didn't have anything to do with breaking through space/time. That was more on Prime partner end (Alexander Luthor).

Lies make baby jesus cry.

Originally posted by carver9
No need to reread the book. The time line was being screwed with during the time both Supes was fighting. Superman didn't have anything to do with breaking through space/time. That was more on Prime partner end (Alexander Luthor).

So what happened when they punched each other in Infinite crisis 5. Don't tell me that Alex stopped to murk time-space in that book? Read Adventures of superman 649 and tell me about an on-panel statement that proves that it was due to alex phucking with the multiverse. Aren't you always demanding on-panel proof?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The writer(s) obviously cared enough to create the explanation.

Giving an explanation for the impossible is not the angle that can be called, 'nonsense', logically.

Superman lifting a mountain = nonsense.

Superman lifting a mountain because his tactile tk allows him to spread the force over the entire mass = oh wow. clever idea.

If you want to just turn off your brain to logic in comics, (which is fine) at least be consistent about it. Afterall. You are trying to push here that lifting 'half of infinity' is equivalent to lifting full 'infinity' because logically it should be. But guess what? 'It's comics'. 🙂

Superman needed help and struggled, Ultraman did not. It's non-sense, focus on quantifiable feats (Especially since Thor has a feat or two regarding something as stupid as 'infinite' weight as well). In which case, Superman should still have the edge.

👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
Lies make baby jesus cry.

😂 😆

I'm not lying.

Originally posted by carver9
😂 😆

I'm not lying.

Yes you are.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So what happened when they punched each other in Infinite crisis 5. Don't tell me that Alex stopped to murk time-space in that book? Read Adventures of superman 649 and tell me about an on-panel statement that proves that it was due to alex phucking with the multiverse. Aren't you always demanding on-panel proof?

Time was being screwed with before and after that fight. The Supermans had nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes you are.

Read above.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
but then there's also that.

was its weight ever explicitly referred to as being equivalent to a galaxy?

No I don't remember the sword being referred to of having the weight equivalent to a Galaxy.To be honest, I asked this because a lot of people seem to buy the reasoning that it was made from a Galaxy.But I've also taken the account that said sword is forged by using magic.Surtur with the Twilight Sword gave Odin a lot of trouble.So Twilight itself gives Surtur an amp.I would probably consider it being a strength feat for Thor since I do believe Odin can wield it via the Odin power.Though if this is considered lifting and hurling a Galaxy, is still a mystery to me.Now at least we have a joke that Thor can hurl a Galaxy 😄

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
People take that book feat a bit too literally. I've even seen people try to use math calculations and shit. ermm

It proves that Superman is very strong, we run into problems when we got past that. A better strength feat would be Superman slowing down and stopping that huge Monitor ship.

Possibly but probably not. Zarrako was going to use the energy/force collected from the encounter to collapse an infinite number of time lines to make him the ruler of the Multiverse or some other similar plot.

I'm going to re-read Infinite Crisis.


People are too eager to dismiss the book feat too. I've seen real world physics and what not to disprove that feat despite the fact that he has done a similar feat 10 years ago. It's a great feat. Possibly but it has nothing to do with their strength.

The book is obviously very heavy.

How much is not quantifiable at all.