Originally posted by quanchi112
Without the power gem he couldn't defend himself against their attacks so I am right as usual.
So the PG made them fight dumb and him more skilled? I think you need to reread the story. Because sure as sh!t he didn't appear much stronger than his normal self. Just more relentless.
I challenge you to point out 1 significant and specific feat (beating X character is a general feat) that proves his strength was amped surely above 2x his normal self.
Originally posted by h1a8The power gem gave him more abilities and strength wasn't the only thing it amplified. Get a clue.
So the PG made them fight dumb and him more skilled? I think you need to reread the story. Because sure as sh!t he didn't appear much stronger than his normal self. Just more relentless.I challenge you to point out 1 significant and specific feat (beating X character is a general feat) that proves his strength was amped surely above 2x his normal self.
Originally posted by h1a8Him actually damaging Thanos when he couldnt damage a far far weaker Thanos with physical blows.
So the PG made them fight dumb and him more skilled? I think you need to reread the story. Because sure as sh!t he didn't appear much stronger than his normal self. Just more relentless.I challenge you to point out 1 significant and specific feat (beating X character is a general feat) that proves his strength was amped surely above 2x his normal self.
So I reviewed every comic on the Blood & Thunder story arc, which spanned Silver Surfer, Thor, Warlock and The Infinity Watch, and The Infinity Crusade titles. I also found many holes, and discrepancies in the theory that an inept Power Gem user could still be tapping into the Gem 100% of the time that they wear the Gem. Or if an inept user was using a percentage of the Gem.
I found nothing to suggest this. What I did find, was that at certain points, the inept wielders had infinite spurts while using the Power Gem. However, there was one citation that left a questionable ramp-ping up of the Power Gem, but this was not solid enough evidence for me to believe that this was more than the user becoming acclimated with the Power Gem.
The scene that I am speaking of, is when Thor was locked down in the force block, and was said to be growing in power. This also could have been Thor using the Power Gem in on again off again spurts, as he was still unable to wrestle free of the force block even after being transported to Odin, and Odin freeing his mind from his madness. That was ample enough time for Thor to have broken free, if he was indeed moving up in power. Instead, he appeared to be moving up a bit past base, dropping back down to base, and then moving up a little bit again in terms of power. If not, why did he not wrestle free of the force block? Odin as we saw broke out immediately.
Proof that the inept could not actively amplify from the Power Gem
01. Thor fought Drax with the Power Gem toe to toe, and wasn't overpowered, or severely injured, and was even attacked from behind (this was highly suspect, to say the least).
02. Thor then went on to physically defeat Drax, and forcibly remove the Power Gem from him.
03. Moondragon says Drax was subconsciously using the Power Gem.
04. Moondragon also said that Thor would never be able to defeat Drax with the Gem, because he would continue to grow stronger as they fought.
05. Drax was barely able to even hurt Thor. Moondragon's tale was apparently untrue according to the conclusion of the battle between the two.
06. Moondragon was wrong about Drax growing too powerful to be defeated, and she was also wrong about him tapping the Gem. This is obvious as Drax was soundly defeated.
07. While not in possession of the Power Gem. Drax was able to nearly choke the life out of the Silver Surfer in an earlier meeting, and agin, he did not possess the Power Gem. How was he more powerful with the Gem, than he was without it? This is further proof that he was using it on a subconscious level, which does not mean that it is the same as using it on an active one.
08. Drax used the Gem in spurts, and was clearly not tapping into it during his match with Thor.
09. The same holds true for Thor when he battled Thanos, and I still have yet to see any proof that Thor was amplified by the Power Gem during their battle.
10. There are many that want to believe that Thor was amplified by the Power Gem during his battle with Thanos, but like I said many times, there is simply no hard evidence to believe in that theory, and more that suggests that he wasn't.
Well I have no more to say on the subject, all of the reasons for my belief are up above, and I believe that anyone can go on whatever they believe. My stance will not change. I also wrote this yesterday, and was going to just drop it, but this is just my way of saying that I did not concede on the point, but it's also my way of saying that I have no more to say or time to spend on this subject.
Originally posted by Stoic
So I reviewed every comic on the Blood & Thunder story arc, which spanned Silver Surfer, Thor, Warlock and The Infinity Watch, and The Infinity Crusade titles. I also found many holes, and discrepancies in the theory that an [b]inept Power Gem user could still be tapping into the Gem 100% of the time that they wear the Gem. Or if an inept user was using a percentage of the Gem.I found nothing to suggest this. What I did find, was that at certain points, the inept wielders had infinite spurts while using the Power Gem. However, there was one citation that left a questionable ramp-ping up of the Power Gem, but this was not solid enough evidence for me to believe that this was more than the user becoming acclimated with the Power Gem.
The scene that I am speaking of, is when Thor was locked down in the force block, and was said to be growing in power. This also could have been Thor using the Power Gem in on again off again spurts, as he was still unable to wrestle free of the force block even after being transported to Odin, and Odin freeing his mind from his madness. That was ample enough time for Thor to have broken free, if he was indeed moving up in power. Instead, he appeared to be of moving up a bit past base, dropping back down to base, and then moving up a little bit again in terms of power. If not, why did he not wrestle free of the force block? Odin as we saw broke out immediately.
Proof that the inept could not actively amplify from the Power Gem
01. Thor fought Drax with the Power Gem toe to toe, and wasn't overpowered, or severely injured, and was even attacked from behind (this was highly suspect, to say the least).
02. Thor then went on to physically defeat Drax, and forcibly remove the Power Gem from him.
03. Moondragon says Drax was subconsciously using the Power Gem.
04. Moondragon also said that Thor would never be able to defeat Drax with the Gem, because he would continue to grow stronger as they fought.
05. Drax was barely able to even hurt Thor. Moondragon's tale was apparently untrue according to the conclusion of the battle between the two.
06. Moondragon was wrong about Drax growing too powerful to be defeated, and she was also wrong about him tapping the Gem. This is obvious as Drax was soundly defeated.
07. While in possession of the Power Gem. Drax was able to nearly choke the life out of the Silver Surfer in an earlier meeting, and he did not possess the Power Gem. This is further proof that he was using it on a subconscious level, which does not mean that it is the same as using it on an active one.
08. Drax used the Gem in spurts, and was clearly not tapping into it during his match with Thor.
09. The same holds true for Thor when he battled Thanos, and I still have yet to see any proof that Thor was amplified by the Power Gem during their battle.
10. There are many that want to believe that Thor was amplified by the Power Gem during his battle with Thanos, but like I said many times, there is simply no hard evidence to believe in that theory, and more that suggests that he wasn't.
Well I have no more to say on the subject, all of the reasons for my belief are up above, and I believe that anyone can go on whatever they believe. My stance will not change. I also wrote this yesterday, and was going to just drop it, but this is just my way of saying that I did not concede on the point, but it's also my way of saying that I have no more to say or time to spend on this subject. [/B]
All that proves is that Thor is just that AWESOME! 😛
Originally posted by quanchi112
Strength is only one facet of a battle. Thor used the gem for abilities not just to amp his strength alone which means he couldn't best those foes without it.
Which is irrelevant to this thread. You can only use PG Thor's strength as evidence as to how this fight will turn out. The other abilities Thor shown are not going to be in this fight against Thanos. What good is Superman's HV in a thread he's not allow to use it in?
So to assume Thanos will beat these two because of his fight with PG Thor implies PG Thor's strength and nothing else.
Originally posted by h1a8No, it isn't since it amped his durability. You need to ask an adult to help you because you don't grasp basic sentences and simple ideas.
Which is irrelevant to this thread. You can only use PG Thor's strength as evidence as to how this fight will turn out. The other abilities Thor shown are not going to be in this fight against Thanos. What good is Superman's HV in a thread he's not allow to use it in?So to assume Thanos will beat these two because of his fight with PG Thor implies PG Thor's strength and nothing else.
Thanos wins, easily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't since it amped his durability. You need to ask an adult to help you because you don't grasp basic sentences and simple ideas.Thanos wins, easily.
Being stronger implies a greater durability silly. The fact is it was never shown that Thor's entire physicality was amped beyond 2x means that his physicality wasn't amped beyond 2x as much. Normal Thor has greater feats of durability than what PG Thor shown, just so you know.
Originally posted by h1a8He was amped and was implied as far greater than regular Thor. He was shown as far greater than regular Thor. You can't prove he wasn't over 5 times as strong. Your posts have nothing of value to them and are pointless. You need to cite proof if you want to theorize.
Being stronger implies a greater durability silly. The fact is it was never shown that Thor's entire physicality was amped beyond 2x means that his physicality wasn't amped beyond 2x as much. Normal Thor has greater feats of durability than what PG Thor shown, just so you know.
Originally posted by quanchi112He never shown far greater strength than regular Thor. Name one particular thing he did that exceeded regular Thor in the strength category.
He was amped and was implied as far greater than regular Thor. He was shown as far greater than regular Thor. You can't prove he wasn't over 5 times as strong. Your posts have nothing of value to them and are pointless. You need to cite proof if you want to theorize.
After what Thanos did to Hulk and Drax here
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/102264/1965947-thanos_vs_hulkdrax.jpg
Thanos will do the same to Thor and Herc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Him owning Surfer, Infinity Watch, and classic Strange. How many times must I restate myself ?
Re: Thor & Hercules Vs Thanos
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
No energy manipulation or exotic powers.
They can fist fight wrestle etc no bfr1. No weapons
2. Thor gets mljonir Herc gets mace
Well, which is it?
Thor gets mjolnir and Hercules his mace, they have a chance.
They both go in with empty hands...still might have to side with Thanos.
