Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
PR I am not even going to debate this with you. You are a nice guy, but you are too much of a Superman mark. If everyone who has ever written Superman including the creators told you a character was stronger then Superman you would still have an excuse.
pr1983
Just because I disagree with you. 😬
Originally posted by country1000
Do you know what a hero do?? They struggle to make a story then they win or pull off the upset because they are the HERO. The villian will not win in the end because they are the bad guy. You want people to accept what lex says but when superman says that blizzaro is stronger, you toss that out huh??? You do know that the very writers have portrayed black adam as stronger than both superman and CM.. Do you wish me to show you?
Here adam admits he doesn't have superman's full strength.
Originally posted by country1000
So your favorite hero is a liar ? or is it that you dont want any other character to be stronger than superman?
Originally posted by country1000
More like a problem he didn't have a care in the world about.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, Captain Marvel is awesome. The Power of Shazam is a very potent source of magic and it's only natural for Superman to lose his cookies experiencing it first hand.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, yeah, just like mjolnir, right? Except he just koed its master. What can I say, its not like he's held spear of destiny or merged with Kismet, Oh wait.....
Him barely knocking out Thor and commenting on how he was just about the toughest guy he ever faced doesn't invalidate him freaking out over how powerful Mjolnir is first hand while it's in his grasp. In fact, they're not mutually exclusive at all.
Like I said, comments are fine, generally not meant to be taken as the absolute gospel, but it doesn't take away from how incredibly powerful Superman feels the Power of Shazam or Mjolnir happen to be.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Him barely knocking out Thor and commenting on how he was just about the toughest guy he ever faced doesn't invalidate him freaking out over how powerful Mjolnir is first hand while it's in his grasp. In fact, they're not mutually exclusive at all.Like I said, comments are fine, generally not meant to be taken as the absolute gospel, but it doesn't take away from how incredibly powerful Superman feels the Power of Shazam or Mjolnir happen to be.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you got the fact that be barely beat thor, if by his shaking voice then he was talking like that since he used HV on thor. He still got up from the beating of some of the strongest avengers like Hercules, wonder man, she-hulk, vision and Iron man at the same time as thor. Congratulations thor, now you are among the one dozen people superman claimed to be the "toughest foes" he fought. It was because of magic, he felt such a surge and the fact that he was still running on the power Vision gave him after radioactive man and Solarr drained him.
Are you trying to say that Superman didn't have a hard time with Thor?
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, but it wasn't as tough as some people tends to project like he could barely stand. Superman DID have a hard time with thor but he still looked superior to him by a comfortable margin.
I wouldn't say that at all. Superman was clearly drained by the fight, as evident by people being able to dog-pile him soon after, imo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did you got the fact that be barely beat thor, if by his shaking voice then he was talking like that since he used HV on thor. He still got up from the beating of some of the strongest avengers like Hercules, wonder man, she-hulk, vision and Iron man at the same time as thor. Congratulations thor, now you are among the one dozen people superman claimed to be the "toughest foes" he fought. It was because of magic, he felt such a surge and the fact that he was still running on the power Vision gave him after radioactive man and Solarr drained him.
Serious question?
How you can read that fight and come to any other conclusion besides Superman barely beating Thor is beyond me.
And? Superman mentioning how powerful Mjolnir was doesn't make his comment not mean anything just because he had experienced more powerful weapons or amps in the past. Like I said before, comments are to be taken by a case by case basis. And in these cases, they certainly mean something.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, but it wasn't as tough as some people tends to project like he could barely stand. Superman DID have a hard time with thor but he still looked superior to him by a comfortable margin.
Some people? Like who?
Not really. He barely beat Thor, which was driven home by the fight itself and the comments made after.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Serious question?How you can read that fight and come to any other conclusion besides Superman barely beating Thor is beyond me.
I'm totally serious.
Because I can.😮💨
And? Superman mentioning how powerful Mjolnir was doesn't make his comment not mean anything just because he had experienced more powerful weapons or amps in the past. Like I said before, comments are to be taken by a case by case basis. And in these cases, they certainly mean something.
Now I agree with you. Comments like these are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm totally serious.Because I can.😮💨
Now I agree with you. Comments like these are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Unfortunately, I can't tell if you're trolling, joking around, or really do think that.
Uh huh.
Comments should be taken by a case by case basis, and generally, should be taken with a grain of salt unless a specific comment is backed by an irrefutable source or on panel evidence. Do I think Thor was the single most powerful foe Superman ever fought? Nope, not at all, and I sure as hell don't think Superman was the single most powerful foe Thor ever battled.
I do think the intent of that comment was to drive home the point just how much of a struggle it was for Superman to barely beat Thor, though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read them on superman vs thor thread, but I'm too lazy to bring up quotes.I disagree, but let's leave it at that.
Do you really scour the forum for things that people say about Superman so that you can attempt make your points? It seems like you honestly feel like Superman is lowballed and not given his due by the entire forum or that there's this movement out to get him at times on the forum. In that respect, he's no different or any special than virtually any other popular character.
Okay.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Unfortunately, I can't tell if you're trolling, joking around, or really do think that.Uh huh.
Comments should be taken by a case by case basis, and generally, should be taken with a grain of salt unless a specific comment is backed by an irrefutable source or on panel evidence. Do I think Thor was the single most powerful foe Superman ever fought? Nope, not at all, and I sure as hell don't think Superman was the single most powerful foe Thor ever battled.
I do think the intent of that comment was to drive home the point just how much of a struggle it was for Superman to barely beat Thor, though.
I disagree, but like I said let's leave it at that.
I know how much struggle it was. But as he said "His dials go up to elevan".
Notice how his voice was shaking with anger when he caught mjolnir. Now compare that with this
Found any difference?
He said his dials go to eleven, true. Doesn't mean we're supposed to literally take it that if Thor is a "9 in strength", Superman must be an 11. It was intended as a jab to Thor and his heritage and the fact that he mentioned the Nine Realms. People tend to use that comment/showing as indisputable fact that Superman is clearly > Thor, but whatever.
Superman was clearly taken to the brink to the point where Iron Man's repulsors phased him. Considering how Thor and others who are as durable or less durable than Superman has outright no sold them before, it says a lot about how much he was hurting.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do you really scour the forum for things that people say about Superman so that you can attempt make your points? It seems like you honestly feel like Superman is lowballed and not given his due by the entire forum or that there's this movement out to get him at times on the forum. In that respect, he's no different or any special than virtually any other popular character.Okay.
No, but I'm quite fond of this forum and often in free times visits old threads to know how was the opinion of other people on many other heroes too. I never said that there was a movement to lowball superman, if I sound like that in this thread I can easily blame it on my ankle with 50 stitches. 😛
Ok.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He said his dials go to eleven, true. Doesn't mean we're supposed to literally take it that if Thor is a "9 in strength", Superman must be an 11. It was intended as a jab to Thor and his heritage and the fact that he mentioned the Nine Realms. People tend to use that comment/showing as indisputable fact that Superman is clearly > Thor, but whatever.
Ok, your interpretation is as valid as mine, doesn't make me accept that.
Superman was clearly taken to the brink to the point where Iron Man's repulsors phased him. Considering how Thor and others who are as durable or less durable than Superman has outright no sold them before, it says a lot about how much he was hurting.
A mother-box amped Iron man accompnied by a punch from wonder man when he was staggered, why do people forget that? Only odinforce thor no sold it in JMS run, classic thor and many other people have been staggered by an all-out Iron man's repulsor blasts. Add in five of the strongest avengers after thor who individually can take on many top-tiers and give them a run for their money, its a very good feat for superman to wake alongside thor.
