Originally posted by Q99
I'd say the stats are pretty close, but don't always tell the whole picture. Some specials don't show up on stats very well, and sometime someone's a barely-5 and sometimes they're an over-the-top 5.For Kakuzu and Deidara, Kakuzu has less offense, but more defense than Deidara. Plus the chance to element-trump almost anyone, and his weird string-melee thing. So I can see them being roughly similar on level.
Indeed. Like for example, I'm not sure they factor in weapons like Samehada. Which is why I think Kisame by all rights should be stronger than Kakuzu. 😛
Indeed, Kakuzu has a better defense. The only real thing Deidara has over him is C4. But this is enough for me because C4 is easily one of the most broken techniques in Naruto.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed, but they still hold some weight when I decide things like this. 😛
Figures you'd use sucky and outdated things to make decisions. uhuh
Also, due to my bias for Kisame being greater, I give the edge to Kisame. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. Like for example, I'm not sure they factor in weapons like Samehada. Which is why I think Kisame by all rights should be stronger than Kakuzu. 😛Indeed, Kakuzu has a better defense. The only real thing Deidara has over him is C4. But this is enough for me because C4 is easily one of the most broken techniques in Naruto.
As well as range & intelligence. That said, Kakuzu could probably draw him in close.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Figures you'd use sucky and outdated things to make decisions. uhuhAlso, due to my bias for Kisame being greater, I give the edge to Kisame. awesome
As well as range & intelligence. That said, Kakuzu could probably draw him in close.
Oi...at least I'm not using statements way back when...like saying Jiraiya could beat Kisame and Itachi at the same time. awesome
Well I am bias for Orochimaru...or at least, I prefer Orochimaru to Kisame.
Those two. But how? I guess he could use the masks but I doubt they're as mobile as Gaara's sand attacks.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Oi...at least I'm not using statements way back when...like saying Jiraiya could beat Kisame and Itachi at the same time. awesomeWell I am bias for Orochimaru...or at least, I prefer Orochimaru to Kisame.
Those two. But how? I guess he could use the masks but I doubt they're as mobile as Gaara's sand attacks.
But stats suck worse than a ridiculous hyperbolic statements from a guy that wanted to throw Jiraiya-fans a bone. 😛
Me too, but I like Kisame more. Showing up a really awesome character will do that.
Range is no question. As for intelligence, he forced Gaara to beat himself. 😛
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Not saying Kisame wins but does the 8 head snake do anything other than be bigger than Manda? It's size would be a great asset but it really didn't do anything despite being Orochimaru's strongest jutsu.
It's got 8-heads!
Mostly I'm thinking it'd be pretty effective as an underwater form if Kisame made a lake-bubble. It'd be pretty overwhelming.
Also, apparently it's destruction doesn't bother Orochimaru (as it's heads were cut off to no real ill effect to him), so he can basically use it as a big fleshy shield too.
Originally posted by Q99
He does have the lightning heart.If that goes down, he's dead, but it lets him deal with a lot of stuff via diffusing.
Personally I think theirs'd be a great back-and-forth fight.
Indeed. He'd have to figure out Deidara's techniques were Doton though I don't see it taking him very long.
But C4 seems more than Kakuzu could handle.
I agree.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I think you're probably wrong boyo.
Best Kakuzu speed showings?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Pretty sure he either blitzed or counter-blitzed Kakashi, compared to Deidara, who just sort of ran away from Guy.
Kakashi thought he was dead, so he was more caught off guard than anything. His attacks against Kakashi later involved creating an opening and catching him via strings when he was mostly out of chakra.
Deidara and Team Guy were both tired and yet Deidara still made them look like a pack of nubs. Which is more impressive imo. He also managed pretty darn well against Hebi Sasuke, who imo is faster than Kakashi. And he has made better use of the substitution jutsu, which hurts any speedster.
That's not even counting the times he ran away from explosions. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelkakuzu clearly kicked kakashi's ass, granted it was after kakashi "killed" him (99% of ninja would have died just there), but you also have to consider kakuzu was preoccupied and kakashi wasn't there at first so it kinda cancels itself out
Kakashi thought he was dead, so he was more caught off guard than anything. His attacks against Kakashi later involved creating an opening and catching him via strings when he was mostly out of chakra.Deidara and Team Guy were both tired and yet Deidara still made them look like a pack of nubs. Which is more impressive imo. He also managed pretty darn well against Hebi Sasuke, who imo is faster than Kakashi. And he has made better use of the substitution jutsu, which hurts any speedster.
That's not even counting the times he ran away from explosions. 😛
one one one kakashi would go down, but kakuzu has most likely the chackra of five men w/five different chackra natures, and is partially immortal, no small task for anyone to overcome.
as for deidara: he has a mobility advantage and range/area effect advantage, but kakuzu also has the ability to split off bodies, one can fly itself, and he too can go airborn if he chooses to. kakuzu should have the chackra capacity advantage and defense.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
kakuzu clearly kicked kakashi's ass, granted it was after kakashi "killed" him (99% of ninja would have died just there), but you also have to consider kakuzu was preoccupied and kakashi wasn't there at first so it kinda cancels itself outone one one kakashi would go down, but kakuzu has most likely the chackra of five men w/five different chackra natures, and is partially immortal, no small task for anyone to overcome.
Yep. When Kakashi though he was dead. And after Kakashi stealth blitzed him I guess. But Kakuzu never seemed all that fast. Asuma actually seemed faster in my humble opinion.
Yeah, pretty much. But his broken attack would still easily kill Kakuzu if he used it. Deidara is less hesitant about using C4 so he should logically do better.
Then again, Kakashi would be able to beat Deidara due to certain luck factors on his part. Well, C0 might make it a tie.
that kick he landed on kakashi was one of the fastest speed feats in the manga (minus special speed amp/teleport techniques)
and from what we know now kakashi would have had a far harder time with deidara if he used his arsenal on him, kakashi has afar less defenses for that type of onslaught, and what he does have is limited and draining.