Orochimaru vs Kisame

Kakuzu would be a bad matchup for Deidara. All of his aerial attacks would be countered easily if Kakuzu released his masks and shot them outta the sky... this would also pressure Deidara in a way that Kakashi or Sasuke couldn't.

but yeah, Kakuzu has no answer for c4; not unless he can also summon a giant snake to hide inside.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that kick he landed on kakashi was one of the fastest speed feats in the manga (minus special speed amp/teleport techniques)

and from what we know now kakashi would have had a far harder time with deidara if he used his arsenal on him, kakashi has afar less defenses for that type of onslaught, and what he does have is limited and draining.

That's a pretty bold statement. Especially when Kakuzu himself has had trouble with other fast characters.

Nope. Kakashi has the type of chakra to render all of Deidara's bombs worthless and the means to counter it.

Originally posted by Q99
Being fellow Akatsuki, and for quite awhile, I'd be surprised if they didn't have some knowledge of each other's techniques.

Which would mean Deidara would merely have to take out the lightning mask asap. Not too hard.

I typed of three paragraphs on this thread and I don't know where that post went. 🙁

Oh well, guess I'll just state it again.

Orochimaru wins. Oro has only 2 weaknesses: not having the shargingan eyes and becoming weaker every 2.5 years. That's pretty cool because pretty much all characters have many more weaknesses like...being meat bags. "But isn't Oro a meat bag?" Yes...but he can regen almost his entire body for quite a few times, unlike every single other meatbag ninja.

Kisame loses. It's not a landslide, but he loses without Oro having to try too hard.

Originally posted by marwash22
Kakuzu would be a bad matchup for Deidara. All of his aerial attacks would be countered easily if Kakuzu released his masks and shot them outta the sky... this would also pressure Deidara in a way that Kakashi or Sasuke couldn't.

but yeah, Kakuzu has no answer for c4; not unless he can also summon a giant snake to hide inside.

He has earth type jutsus so he could easily hide underground. He wouldn't have to hide very deep, as well.

go underground to escape c4?

....How does Kakuzu know what C4 even does? :l

don't think he does, which is why he wouldn't have an answer for it. I suppose it could be possible for the akatsuki members to know each others techniques, but i doubt the members who aren't paired together have that sort of in depth knowledge.

heh, c3 would likely be enough to kill kakuzu.

Indeed, especially considering he was keeping it a secret to kill Itachi. The more people that know about it, the more likely Itachi would find out. Tobi knew but he was his teammate.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

Which would mean Deidara would merely have to take out the lightning mask asap. Not too hard.

Pretty hard if Kakuzu keeps it attached.

those masks are pretty darn fast and agile and they operate independently whereas Deidara has to control his bombs. the masks will likely shoot down anything Deidara launches. Also, any of them (not just the lighting mask) can take out the bombs.

More discussion has gone into Kakuzu vs Deidara than Orochimaru vs Kisame...>_>

Originally posted by Q99
Pretty hard if Kakuzu keeps it attached.

Nah. Just use a sneak attack.

Wonder if he could have a clay bomb hide the land mines? That would be cool.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
....How does Kakuzu know what C4 even does? :l

Remember when Itachi commented on Oro's hydra tech? You know...the one none of us knew about?

What about Mr. Venus Fly Trap Clone Dude? He seemed to be intimately familiar with every aspect of Itachi's techs.

And it is not that hard to conclude:

"A little bit of explosion clay mixed with a little bit of chakra: small explosion."

"A lot of explosion clay mixed with a lot of chakra: big explosion."

Unless, of course, you think Kakuzu is more of an idiot than Naruto (impossibru!).

C4 MAKES the person thing it will be a huge explosion which makes them run. They run ... get out of breath...and breath in the tiny bombs

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v40/c360/10.html

Kakuzu, being a very smart ninja (he's one of the smarter ones...living a long ass time and all) will always know about elemental weaknesses. Also, he doesn't have any lungs to breath it in. Also, he can always go underground while something that huge explodes.

Originally posted by marwash22
go underground to escape c4?

Yes. Why is that a problem?

Found it:

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v40/c363/6.html

The crater isn't that deep. He can escape C0, too. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes. Why is that a problem?

In my initial response i was confusing c0 for c4 and thought there was no way in hell going underground was gonna save him from the blast (of c0)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Found it:

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v40/c363/6.html

The crater isn't that deep. He can escape C0, too. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Remember when Itachi commented on Oro's hydra tech? You know...the one none of us knew about?

What about Mr. Venus Fly Trap Clone Dude? He seemed to be intimately familiar with every aspect of Itachi's techs.

Unless, of course, you think Kakuzu is more of an idiot than Naruto (impossibru!).

Kakuzu, being a very smart ninja (he's one of the smarter ones...living a long ass time and all) will always know about elemental weaknesses. Also, he doesn't have any lungs to breath it in. Also, he can always go underground while something that huge explodes.

Itachi is not Kakuzu, and Orochimaru is not Deidara.

Zetsu is far more in the know about everything. Moreso than Kakuzu. Remember, C4 was a technique Deidara was saving for his fight with Itachi. Why would he tell anyone about it except his partner?

Considering Naruto outsmarted him...Yeah.

Proof that he doesn't have lungs?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Remember when Itachi commented on Oro's hydra tech? You know...the one none of us knew about?

Itachi has worked with Orochimaru as far as we know, and they have fought each other. The same cannot be said of Kakuzu and Deidara.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What about Mr. Venus Fly Trap Clone Dude? He seemed to be intimately familiar with every aspect of Itachi's techs.

Mr. Venus Fly Trap Clone Dude is intimately close to Mr. One Eyed Teleporting Dude, who is intimately familiar with MS techs.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And it is not that hard to conclude:

"A little bit of explosion clay mixed with a little bit of chakra: small explosion."

"A lot of explosion clay mixed with a lot of chakra: big explosion."

Doesn't mean Kakuzu will know what C4 does.
He'll probably know what C0 does though, seeing as Deidara would want to make his opponents shit their pants with it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Unless, of course, you think Kakuzu is more of an idiot than Naruto (impossibru!).

Naruto outsmarted him and he is a better tactician.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Kakuzu, being a very smart ninja (he's one of the smarter ones...living a long ass time and all) will always know about elemental weaknesses. Also, he doesn't have any lungs to breath it in. Also, he can always go underground while something that huge explodes.

Can't remember him not having lungs. Where was this stated?