Absorbing Man and Wrecking Crew vs Superman

Originally posted by leonidas
^some people have been saying that creel DOES absorb energy though, (ala parasite). which is something i've never seen either and keep waiting for scans to see.

i don't see the crew's weapons being much of an issue for kal though. at all, really. though they have some good showings, i'll use their more general portrayal and say kal wrecks the crew pretty easily imo. creel IS an issue though. an intelligent creel COULD beat kal, or pretty well anyone. a creel with cis on is something else altogether. comicbook creel gets schooled by daredevil. i like supes' chances.

Give him Carver9 brain and nothing short of abstract is stopping him.

Originally posted by carver9
Give him Carver9 brain and nothing short of abstract is stopping him.

Because a Carver9 Brain is not capable to think abstract?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Because a Carver9 Brain is not capable to think abstract?

Lol...you missed me huh? I have that affect on people.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Read first before posting upon something, ok. Creel just absorbed the properties of uru, not powers of mjolnir itself. You know like weather manipulation or energy absorption.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Has he done something like that i.e. taking the full power of an external energy absorber upon touch? Meh, kal fights such people almost on weekly basis like eradicator, russian zod, bizzaro, ultraman, cyborg superman, daxamites etc. Even IF creel absorbs kal's power, he wouldn't have his experience. It would be like when manchestar black made bizzaro smart, superman still owned him telling him that he doesn't have his experience with his powers. Same as when creel absorbed thor's strength, he was still owned by odinson. Frankly kal wouldn't let creel touch him to begin with and if spidey can ko creel with a glove, kal can just wrap his hand with his cape and ko him. Believe me he beat kilowog using the same tactic when rings had the yellow weakness.

i'm gonna say The Crew 7/10.

Superman's cis will seriously hamper him in the old U and with the new DcU. I havent seen much to convince me he can get the majority win.

I remember a time when creel asorbed the powers of thors hammer and thor himself said... He has become a living weapon that dwarfs the POWERS of the greatest warrior... Also he touched thors hammer with his ball and chain and the ball and chain started returning to creels hand like thors hammer. Creel was surprised that the weapon returned to him. He and his weapon asorb a lot more than people claim.

Superman could bfr each one with ease.

Originally posted by leonidas
^some people have been saying that creel DOES absorb energy though, (ala parasite). which is something i've never seen either and keep waiting for scans to see.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't see the crew's weapons being much of an issue for kal though. at all, really. though they have some good showings, i'll use their more general portrayal and say kal wrecks the crew pretty easily imo. creel IS an issue though. an intelligent creel COULD beat kal, or pretty well anyone. a creel with cis on is something else altogether. comicbook creel gets schooled by daredevil. i like supes' chances.

Especially not when he's got the magically-powered Wrecking Crew on his butt also. Not with Kal's magical weakness. Not without a potent weapon/ability to counter their magic like Mjolnir would offer. Not without ample experience fighting them like Thor possesses.

And again, I don't even see Thor taking down all five easily at all. And he's got great magical resistance, the plot-device magic counter Mjolnir, and dozens of fights under his belt.

Originally posted by country1000
I remember a time when creel asorbed the powers of thors hammer and thor himself said... He has become a living weapon that dwarfs the POWERS of the greatest warrior... Also he touched thors hammer with his ball and chain and the ball and chain started returning to creels hand like thors hammer. Creel was surprised that the weapon returned to him. He and his weapon asorb a lot more than people claim.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then people don't know Creel's main power. His main power is to mimic the properties of whatever he touches. He's not an energy-drainer per se. Although I'm certainly welcome to look at an on-panel feat where he does so. The analogies made towards strict energy-drainers are irrelevant here, although the Wrecker has drained energy with his enchanted crowbar. They're enchanted weapons. They aren't skyfather-level Mjolnir type weapons, but they certainly don't have to be to seriously mess Superman up. Absorbing Man has been beaten by Daredevil, yes, only after being wrecked over and over and nearly sacrificing his own life to do so. But Creel's also given Thor massive fits on his own. So while I can see Superman defeating Creel by tricking him or exploiting his dim-wittedness... I can't see it happening a majority of the time.

Especially not when he's got the magically-powered Wrecking Crew on his butt also. Not with Kal's magical weakness. Not without a potent weapon/ability to counter their magic like Mjolnir would offer. Not without ample experience fighting them like Thor possesses.

And again, I don't even see Thor taking down all five easily at all. And he's got great magical resistance, the plot-device magic counter Mjolnir, and dozens of fights under his belt. 👆

meh. the crew have a couple bludgeoning style weapons. they also can't fly. supes can and has dealt with that type of magical weapon in the past-effectively. i see the crew being dismissed pretty handily.

creel is another matter entirely. however, given that he has absorbed both uru (on at least 2 occasions i remember off-hand) cap's shield at least once and even quasar's q-bands, and yet each time fails...... 😬

with cis on i see supes taking him out, like thor takes him out, almost everytime. before you go filing me under the supes' fanclub banner, i did say that serpent-enhanced creel would beat kal 1on1. an intelligent creel is a beast. this is purely a case of what-i've-seen-on-panel colouring my attitude toward creel. he SHOULD be far greater than he has been portrayed. call it pis or cis or whatever. i'm not against the idea of creel beating him. just based on his most common showings, i gotta think kal takes him out almost everytime.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then people don't know Creel's main power. His main power is to mimic the properties of whatever he touches. He's not an energy-drainer per se. Although I'm certainly welcome to look at an on-panel feat where he does so. The analogies made towards strict energy-drainers are irrelevant here, although the Wrecker has drained energy with his enchanted crowbar. They're enchanted weapons. They aren't skyfather-level Mjolnir type weapons, but they certainly don't have to be to seriously mess Superman up. Absorbing Man has been beaten by Daredevil, yes, only after being wrecked over and over and nearly sacrificing his own life to do so. But Creel's also given Thor massive fits on his own. So while I can see Superman defeating Creel by tricking him or exploiting his dim-wittedness... I can't see it happening a majority of the time.

Especially not when he's got the magically-powered Wrecking Crew on his butt also. Not with Kal's magical weakness. Not without a potent weapon/ability to counter their magic like Mjolnir would offer. Not without ample experience fighting them like Thor possesses.

And again, I don't even see Thor taking down all five easily at all. And he's got great magical resistance, the plot-device magic counter Mjolnir, and dozens of fights under his belt. 👆

This.

Like I've said before, this is an extraordinary challenge for Kal, just because of Creel alone. Adding in the Crew, and he'd need to go above and beyond the norm to win this.

Even though the Crew usually lose, that still doesn't take away from their performance. They usually do good during battle (but eventually lose).

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman could bfr each one with ease.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh. the crew have a couple bludgeoning style weapons. they also can't fly. supes can and has dealt with that type of magical weapon in the past-effectively. i see the crew being dismissed pretty handily.

creel is another matter entirely. however, given that he has absorbed both uru (on at least 2 occasions i remember off-hand) cap's shield at least once and even quasar's q-bands, and yet each time fails...... 😬

with cis on i see supes taking him out, like thor takes him out, almost everytime. before you go filing me under the supes' fanclub banner, i did say that serpent-enhanced creel would beat kal 1on1. an intelligent creel is a beast. this is purely a case of what-i've-seen-on-panel colouring my attitude toward creel. he SHOULD be far greater than he has been portrayed. call it pis or cis or whatever. i'm not against the idea of creel beating him. just based on his most common showings, i gotta think kal takes him out almost everytime.

The Wrecking would more than likely drain him once they since his energy stores..

Originally posted by leonidas
meh. the crew have a couple bludgeoning style weapons. they also can't fly. supes can and has dealt with that type of magical weapon in the past-effectively. i see the crew being dismissed pretty handily.

creel is another matter entirely. however, given that he has absorbed both uru (on at least 2 occasions i remember off-hand) cap's shield at least once and even quasar's q-bands, and yet each time fails...... 😬

with cis on i see supes taking him out, like thor takes him out, almost everytime. before you go filing me under the supes' fanclub banner, i did say that serpent-enhanced creel would beat kal 1on1. an intelligent creel is a beast. this is purely a case of what-i've-seen-on-panel colouring my attitude toward creel. he SHOULD be far greater than he has been portrayed. call it pis or cis or whatever. i'm not against the idea of creel beating him. just based on his most common showings, i gotta think kal takes him out almost everytime.

Creel smacked Thor around the first time he absorbed uru, left him in a heap and flew off through the magical compulsion of Loki. Creel was more than a match the second time he absorbed uru. Thor was actually knocked out and beaten. Then Thor had to trick him with a convenient plot device plastic toy Mjolnir. Creel absorbed Cap's shield and saved Cap's life. He then walked off having earned Cap's respect. Quasar's Quantum Bands connected Creel to the infinite Quantumverse. Suffice it to say, his inability to regulate that amount of power should have little bearing here.

I can see Superman out-thinking Creel a lot myself. Probably even for the majority. Just that when you've got the entire Wrecking Crew out there trying to beat on Superman simultaneously, I don't see it happening for the majority at all. That's this thread.

Originally posted by country1000
Creel has absorbed the hammers power.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/ThorvsAbsorbingMan.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAbsorbingMan05JIM115.jpg

Originally posted by country1000
As soon as superman hit creel, creel will have his strength and all his powers. While creel is beating superman into the ground or giving him hell, guess what the wrecker can do with his crowbar?? Go look in his respect thread and see the things he can do to superman with his MAGICAL WEAPON.http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/66339/1702270-journey_into_mystery_121_03_super.jpg

Originally posted by country1000
Do you have any idea what the wreckers ( bludgeon style ) weapon can do?? They dont need to fly to hurt superman, as soon as superman attacks creel and finds himself fighting a killer with ALL his powers and strength, he will be busy trying to stay alive leaving himself open for all kinds of blasts from wrecker or energy drain from thunderballs MAGICAL weapon.

http://img165.imagevenue.com/loc883/th_93426_Secret_Wars_007-18_122_883lo.jpg
http://img162.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-27942/loc1000/93434_Secret_Wars_007-19_122_1000lo.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you have any idea what superman can do with his punches? Other than ODG's usual lowballing of superman's magical resistance, none of the wrecking crew poses much of threat to superman. even she-hulk has owned them

http://img165.imagevenue.com/loc883/th_93426_Secret_Wars_007-18_122_883lo.jpg
http://img162.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-27942/loc1000/93434_Secret_Wars_007-19_122_1000lo.jpg

And the Wrecking Crew have proven a match for Thor himself and have beaten down the Defenders.