Originally posted by marwash22
...the phuck? 😐When has anyone ever used the force without using their hands? Even Yoda, who is supposedly league above Anakain, used his hands to stop objects. But even if that is technically true, only things seen on screen count, so you need to reference the instance. Also, you need to show Anakin crushing something instantaneously to prove that he can kill Andrew before he thinks about raising his shield.
The way you're pumping up Anakin, we need to get him in a thread against Tetsuo or Phoenix from x-men.
When newly made Vader screamed and destroyed shit all around him. That would be the phuck you're asking about.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's okay: you can troll me. I can take it. I won't report it. 😐I guess you forgot about the part where Andrew could do the same exact thing to Galen but with much more precision?
Well no, he couldn't, because powerful Jedi and Sith have sophisticated telekinetic shields, as shown by Vader when Galen Marek's clone vaporises a forest and it does... Nothing to Vader.
It also doesn't mean shit when Galen not only has much better reaction-time than Andrew, but unlike movie Anakin, he also backs that up with much greater telekinetic power.
Precision and skill mean nothing in the face of vastly greater raw power. The strength to make all tactics useless. Strength absolute. Boners.
Please do not delve into SW EU debates. It is a horrible, awful place, where Obi-Wan has mach 1,000 reaction-time, and Force wielders can live cities.
You have not seen Chronicle if you think your video/point does anything to change the fact that Anakin dies horribly in this match-up
You already admitted that were this fight to start with them close (And IIRC that is the norm when not specified, though I may be confusing KMC with another forum), Anakin would cut his head off. So... Yeah.
Edit - For you Anakin fanboys, you may want to grab some tissues because the tears will flow after watching this video:Yes, that's right, Andrew can shoot Anakin with a TK gun. 😬
Please observe Andrew flying through solid buildings at around
28 seconds to 32 seconds:
Yes, Andrew's durability is quite strong.
Observe that Andrew can combat people, much more powerful in TK than Anakin, by just stopping their TK. Not sure if that would translate to the force....that would be up to the OP. I vote that those forces be separate.
None of this means anything.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Well no, he couldn't, because powerful Jedi and Sith have sophisticated telekinetic shields, as shown by Vader when Galen Marek's clone vaporises a forest and it does... Nothing to Vader.
Here's the problem: Galen is not Vader and Vader is not Galen. Hell, even Galen is not Galen in the example you used. 😐
Your point is irrelevant and invalid.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It also doesn't mean shit when Galen not only has much better reaction-time than Andrew, but unlike movie Anakin, he also backs that up with much greater telekinetic power.
Reaction time doesn't mean sh*t in that match-up. As fact, Andrew is much more precise with his TK than Galen. He's every bit as instant with the delivery of his TK as any force user. The most precise Galen was with TK was when he put together his lightsaber with his eyes closed. Impressive, sure...but no where near the "just started using these powers" levels Andrew showed when building with legos (lol!).
Originally posted by NemeBro
Precision and skill mean nothing in the face of vastly greater raw power. The strength to make all tactics useless. Strength absolute. Boners.
That's not correct, at all. That statement is quite stupid, actually. uhuh
Originally posted by NemeBro
Please do not delve into SW EU debates. It is a horrible, awful place, where Obi-Wan has mach 1,000 reaction-time, and Force wielders can live cities.
On the contrary, please do not delve into the EU where there are hundreds of contradictory things to contemplate and waaaaay overblown wankery going on.
To Obi-wan's reaction time: a complete sh*t calculation based off of a single exaggerated sentence. Or did you think I was not aware of the OBD b.s.? TBH, I had no idea that the OBD was a repository for the narutoforum arugments/debates.
He was running on some "girders","rafters", or support beams. The "shield" reference was not literal, even in the slightest. Even the idea that 10,000 droids were present in that very some "room" is not correct.
This is what happens when you teach extreme nerds basic math: this is why we can't have "nice things".
Additionally, here's the canon version of the fight (yes, the novelization version can be immediately discarded because...it's not correct if it contradicts the canon version):
Originally posted by NemeBro
You already admitted that were this fight to start with them close (And IIRC that is the norm when not specified, though I may be confusing KMC with another forum), Anakin would cut his head off. So... Yeah.
Did you miss the point of that text you read (you did)? The point was to illustrate that, no, they aren't starting inches from each other with Anakin's sword ignited and held in a position to strike Andrew down.
Originally posted by NemeBro
None of this means anything.
Glad you like to ignore feats that show Andrew's abilities to be almost instant in some circumstances.
Originally posted by marwash22
so, this fight starts with them 6 inches away from each other?k, Anakin wins.
Exactly.
And we raged at RJ for doing that* in threads...unsure why it is okay to do that, now.
*Changing thread conditions pages into the thread just to be right about a matchup.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's the problem: Galen is not Vader and Vader is not Galen. Hell, even Galen is not Galen in the example you used. 😐Your point is irrelevant and invalid.
You're right. Galen is stronger than Vader, as seen when in both endings he beats the shit out of him. 🙂
Reaction time doesn't mean sh*t in that match-up. As fact, Andrew is much more precise with his TK than Galen. He's every bit as instant with the delivery of his TK as any force user. The most precise Galen was with TK was when he put together his lightsaber with his eyes closed. Impressive, sure...but no where near the "just started using these powers" levels Andrew showed when building with legos (lol!).
Precisions matters not.
Galen Marek is still faster, I am afraid, you whining about it is not changing that.
That's not correct, at all. That statement is quite stupid, actually. uhuh
Wrongo. Who do you believe would win in a fist fight between a rhinocerous and a boxer? Assume in this fight that rhinos have fists. estahuh
Galen can overwhelm Andrew's psychic shields with the most basic of Force abilities, and crush him, and his own psychic shields would be impervious to Andrew.
On the contrary, please do not delve into the EU where there are hundreds of contradictory things to contemplate and waaaaay overblown wankery going on.
No u.
To Obi-wan's reaction time: a complete sh*t calculation based off of a single exaggerated sentence. Or did you think I was not aware of the OBD b.s.? TBH, I had no idea that the OBD was a repository for the narutoforum arugments/debates.
You might be right, in fact, I was lying, since Blax told me that Obi-Wan had some sort of amp in the novelization. I lied to get my point across. 😄
I actually have been looking for the novelization, to read it, but to no avail.
He was running on some "girders","rafters", or support beams. The "shield" reference was not literal, even in the slightest. Even the idea that 10,000 droids were present in that very some "room" is not correct.
Cool story bro.
This is what happens when you teach extreme nerds basic math: this is why we can't have "nice things".
I don't approve of the EU's power inflation any more than you do, though apparently there is other basis for mach 1,000+ SW characters. I haven't seen it though.
Additionally, here's the canon version of the fight (yes, the novelization version can be immediately discarded because...it's not correct if it contradicts the canon version):
The novelization is better though, from what I hear, and didn't GK say that it was canon?
Did you miss the point of that text you read (you did)? The point was to illustrate that, no, they aren't starting inches from each other with Anakin's sword ignited and held in a position to strike Andrew down.
It doesn't have to be inches. Merely a matter of feet.
Glad you like to ignore feats that show Andrew's abilities to be almost instant in some circumstances.
Instant is relative.
Exactly.And we raged at RJ for doing that* in threads...unsure why it is okay to do that, now.
*Changing thread conditions pages into the thread just to be right about a matchup.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Just say it dude. You said something stupid, are aware of it, but are too proud to admit it so you enter this stupid debate.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I actually have been looking for the novelization, to read it, but to no avail.
This site has most Star Wars literature available for download for free. Don't be put off by all the russian, they're all in English. Not as good as reading an actual book, but hey, its free.
If you're talking about the Rots novel, I highly recommend it. Faaar superior to the movie.
Originally posted by marwash22
so, this fight starts with them 6 inches away from each other?k, Anakin wins.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Exactly.And we raged at RJ for doing that* in threads...unsure why it is okay to do that, now.
*Changing thread conditions pages into the thread just to be right about a matchup.
Nice strawman, bros. I never dictated how close they were or changed any pre-set conditions; I gave reasons why Anakin wins if it's a close or far apart starting match.
Anakin does win; it's obvious too.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You're right. Galen is stronger than Vader, as seen when in both endings he beats the shit out of him. 🙂
That's a non sequitur reply. Feats, babe. Just admit it: you tried to pass off another character's feats.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Precisions matters not.Galen Marek is still faster, I am afraid, you whining about it is not changing that.
Afraid that you whining about precision not mattering is not going to change that Galen can still be killed faster than he can close the distance. Too bad.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Wrongo. Who do you believe would win in a fist fight between a rhinocerous and a boxer? Assume in this fight that rhinos have fists. estahuh
You're wrong, yet again. You're using non sequitur comparisons to prove your point.
A proper comparison would be pitting a frail scientist that genetically engineered virus that works instantly (but for which he is immune) up against a champion boxer at the top of his game.
Note that the scientist is extremely precise and the boxer is far stronger and faster.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Galen can overwhelm Andrew's psychic shields with the most basic of Force abilities, and crush him, and his own psychic shields would be impervious to Andrew.
1. Prove it that he could overwhelm Andrew's shields. Didn't seem to work against Vader, did it? 🙂
2. Galen doesn't have psychic shields. GTFO, newb.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You might be right, in fact, I was lying, since Blax told me that Obi-Wan had some sort of amp in the novelization. I lied to get my point across. 😄I actually have been looking for the novelization, to read it, but to no avail.
You bassturd. 🙁
I have read most of the novel: made to somewhere in the 300s.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't approve of the EU's power inflation any more than you do, though apparently there is other basis for mach 1,000+ SW characters. I haven't seen it though.
I wasn't talking about power inflation: I was talking about the Narutoforum posters taking flowery and symbolic language to be literal and then basing math off of that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The novelization is better though, from what I hear, and didn't GK say that it was canon?
It is not "canon" like you're meaning it. It is what us SW nerds call "c-canon". It's below the movies and TV show in canoncity.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It doesn't have to be inches. Merely a matter of feet.
No, you give Andrew enough room to think his thoughts and it's over. You must keep it up close to prevent Andrew from getting off a single blast.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Instant is relative.
No, it's not. It means t = 0.
But in the context of my post, it meant "practically instant" because there seems to be no travel time for some of his attacks (others, there does seem to be travel time).
No travel time? Yeah... t = 0
Originally posted by NemeBro
I have no idea what you are talking about.
I quoted someone else, dude.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Just say it dude. You said something stupid, are aware of it, but are too proud to admit it so you enter this stupid debate.
Wait...wait...that's my line, not yours. I get to say that to you. You used a feat from another person, for Galen. You used a non-canon telling of a G-Level canon fight (Obi-Wan making his way to Grievous) as a feat in an example of how crazy the EU gets...and I'm the one that said something stupid because I wasn't aware of it.
I will take your apologies in the form of new york style cheesecake. estahuh
Edit - The RotS novel is not very good, imo. It was difficult to read at times because of how atrocious the prose was. Other times, it was enjoyable. But the writing style is probably why I could not finish the novel: just wasn't interesting enough and it was stifling at times. On a scale of Twilight to Dune, it ranks closer to Twilight...though not very close.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - The RotS novel is not very good, imo. It was difficult to read at times because of how atrocious the prose was. Other times, it was enjoyable. But the writing style is probably why I could not finish the novel: just wasn't interesting enough and it was stifling at times. On a scale of Twilight to Dune, it ranks closer to Twilight...though not very close.
Eh, sorry to hear that, but I have probably read worse for the sake of the story and characters, so should be able to power through it.
On the subject of the rest of your post, stfu it is two in the morning will address it later.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Eh, sorry to hear that, but I have probably read worse for the sake of the story and characters, so should be able to power through it.
I am not sure why the novel gets so many accolades. There is far better Star Wars novels out there so it is not like we are missing a subjective meter stick with which to measure the RotS novel.
Originally posted by NemeBro
On the subject of the rest of your post, stfu it is two in the morning will address it later.
I want to work out and go to sleep so you STFU, too. 😠
Originally posted by dadudemonI believe you meant: There ARE far better Star Wars novels.
I am not sure why the novel gets so many accolades. There is far better Star Wars novels out there so it is not like we are missing a subjective meter stick with which to measure the RotS novel.I want to work out and go to sleep so you STFU, too. 😠
Douche. estahuh
I think it is because it apparently makes Anakin's character development seem less stilted, I guess.
Also, shut up ***** I am the walrus.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I believe you meant: There ARE far better Star Wars novels.Douche. estahuh
I actually do not know if I meant to say "There is" or "There are" because I changed thoughts mid-sentence.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I think it is because it apparently makes Anakin's character development seem less stilted, I guess.Also, shut up ***** I am the walrus.
I found his character development to be done just fine in the films. One could argue that it was overdone and more subtly should have been used (I am quite sure that that would be what Hemingway would argue, at least).