Originally posted by h1a8
Well good. I just believe Superman, ONLY AT HIS BEST, can win at least a few here.
What you believe is not fact, Superman would have too be on Classic Odin level of power, Superman cant phyiscal harm MAngog what so ever, MAngog feeds on it, Classic Odin had to use arcane magic that cost him his life, Superman is gant compare Classic Odin and SA Mangog. Since Superman doesnt have that type of power, sipes is dead as you can be, death of Superman x10.
Originally posted by the Darkone
What you believe is not fact, Superman would have too be on Classic Odin level of power, Superman cant phyiscal harm MAngog what so ever, MAngog feeds on it, Classic Odin had to use arcane magic that cost him his life, Superman is gant compare Classic Odin and SA Mangog. Since Superman doesnt have that type of power, sipes is dead as you can be, death of Superman x10.
I didn't see Odin try to physically damage Mangog. Energy blasts are not the same as blunt force. So stop with the Superman has to be on Classic Odin level nonsense.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't see Odin try to physically damage Mangog. Energy blasts are not the same as blunt force. So stop with the Superman has to be on Classic Odin level nonsense.
So, your argument is that guys like Thor and Superman are strongh enough to physically beat Silver Age Mangog?
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't see Odin try to physically damage Mangog. Energy blasts are not the same as blunt force. So stop with the Superman has to be on Classic Odin level nonsense.
A lot of energy blasts still have some element of kinetic energy. It might not be exactly the same as a punch, but it would give some indication that you can withstand physical damage if you can powerful energy ones.
Originally posted by -Pr-
A lot of energy blasts still have some element of kinetic energy. It might not be exactly the same as a punch, but it would give some indication that you can withstand physical damage if you can powerful energy ones.
considering that in comic, every character blasted with an energy blast goes off flying would indicate that it does pack physical damage. thus rendering h1's argument = a bunch of crap
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoI didn't claim that all energy blasts had no concussion properties. My point is that energy blasts can have a mixture of concussive abilities, burning abilities, matter manipulation abilities, etc. Usually energy blasts are to disintegrate or destroy through burning properties. It's just so happen that sometimes those blasts carry concussive force.
considering that in comic, every character blasted with an energy blast goes off flying would indicate that it does pack physical damage. thus rendering h1's argument = a bunch of crap
With that said, we can't equate energy blast durability with blunt force durability since the energy blast might not have the concussive force that the blunt force attack may have (it has more burning or manipulation force). Also there are many instances in comics where energy blasts were ineffective yet blunt force worked.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Give some examples.
Superman vs. random guy (hv didn't work but punches did)
Thor vs. Surfer (the board attack vs. Surfer's blasts)
DD (JL total blast power including Superman's hv vs. Superman's and Maximas punches)
Surfer vs. Bill
Surfer vs. Gladiator (Surfer's punch on him vs. Surfer's energy)
Sentry vs. Ironman (Iron didn't do much with energy but managed to bust Sentry's nose)
You guys are the comic experts you should know some examples as well. I can't remember all of the ones I saw in my life, just going by the top of my head. But clearly, you see that energy blasts durability is not always the same as blunt force durability.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Your descriptions are exceedingly vague.
I'm sorry I don't quite remember the details. Why don't you help me out with a few (Goes against debating with me I know). What I do recall is that energy blasts didn't do much if anything to a character yet the character was rocked by either a punch, board attack, or some other type of physical attack. I'm not claiming that blunt force>>>energy blasts but just that they aren't always the same.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Could not the difference in effect be because the physical attacks in question were more powerful than the energy ones....rather than the person having two different durabilities?
But how can we know? It is a comic after all and non of this stuff actually happened. We must go on the intentions of the writer. It seems reasonable to you that a character can emit a blast the same power as they can strike (assuming they are high class 100).
To clean things up, Odin not being able to destroy someone with his blasts doesn't mean Superman can't hurt them with his punches.
Originally posted by h1a8
But how can we know? It is a comic after all and non of this stuff actually happened. We must go on the intentions of the writer. It seems reasonable to you that a character can emit a blast the same power as they can strike (assuming they are high class 100).To clean things up, Odin not being able to destroy someone with his blasts doesn't mean Superman can't hurt them with his punches.
What is you dont understand or are you slow Classic/Silver Age Mangog was immune too physical and energy blows he absorbed them in which made him stronger, even Superman cant hurt beings like SA MAngog or PC Validus it takes more than brute strength against beings that are sky father level in power!!!
Originally posted by h1a8
But how can we know? It is a comic after all and non of this stuff actually happened. We must go on the intentions of the writer. It seems reasonable to you that a character can emit a blast the same power as they can strike (assuming they are high class 100).To clean things up, Odin not being able to destroy someone with his blasts doesn't mean Superman can't hurt them with his punches.
We have seen the damage Odin's blasts can do, are you saying that Superman's punches have been shown to do more damage?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
To be fair the prominent chars (Villains or Heroes) tank blasts better then physical damage. Superman gets blasted by a skyfather or trans or even abstract and he might be awake or bruised but let him get suckerpunched by Zod and his jaw is broken. Just my 2 cents.
That's because DC is stooopid.
everyone knows energy blast>>>>> any stoooopid punch
Just ask Goku and friends