Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor getting roflstomped doesn't mean he's not going all-out. Even granting your premise that Superman is stronger than Thor, Thor is arguably more powerful than Superman as a whole. And he got roflstomped repeatedly as far as I remember.Superman dancing around and/or running away fromSilver Age Mangog seems unlikely. Dude mostly engages in straight-up fighting even if he's outclassed like most heroes of his class.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor is not more powerful. More powers doesn't mean more powerful, especially if you have no time to use them. If Superman really wanted to he could beat the sh!t out of Thor within seconds. It's Superman's character that kinda evens it up with Thor.If Superman wanted then he couldn't get touched by Mangog. He would hit Mangog far more times than Thor could do. And if he unleashed his top strength as shown before he could beat down Mangog a few times.
I understand that. But that doesn't make someone indestructible. Can Galactus or LT physically harm Mangog? Why? But a billion billion beings is not an infinite amount of beings. And Superman is stronger than a billion billion class 100 beings.
Mangog is made up of a billion billion beings. But, that isn't his power.
His base power comes from the hate of a billion billion beings.
Then, he gros stronger from absorbing hate, violence and other negative emotions from different sources.
Mangog took repeated strikes from Thor's hammer, in the same exact spot, over and over, while holding Thor in one hand.
It did nothing. He just held him and kept talking.
I don't ever even remember SEEING anything like that, with Thor in Marvel comics.
And, regardless of what you think the outcome between Thor and Supes would be, the fact is that they are treated almost exactly the same by their comic companies. Both characters are written to be able to do ANYTHING they need to do at the time, somehow. Period.
Speed feats, strength feats. Energy, time, blah, blah, blah.
It's a stupid argument.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Superman wanted then he couldn't get touched by Mangog. He would hit Mangog far more times than Thor could do. And if he unleashed his top strength as shown before he could beat down Mangog a few times.
Could you post proof of Silver Age Mangog being knocked out by physical means?I could post a scan of Superman getting his ass handed by Solomon Grundy.That is proof enough speed isn't always instant win.
Originally posted by h1a8
I understand that. But that doesn't make someone indestructible. Can Galactus or LT physically harm Mangog? Why? But a billion billion beings is not an infinite amount of beings. And Superman is stronger than a billion billion class 100 beings.
And this post suggest Superman is in Living Tribunal's or Galactus's level according to h1a8.That's why he believes Superman will beat Silver Age Mangog.Again, like my post above, post a scan as proof that Silver Age Mangog can be knocked out through physical means.
Originally posted by Igniz
Could you post proof of Silver Age Mangog being knocked out by physical means?I could post a scan of Superman getting his ass handed by Solomon Grundy.That is proof enough speed isn't always instant win.And this post suggest Superman is in Living Tribunal's or Galactus's level according to h1a8.That's why he believes Superman will beat Silver Age Mangog.Again, like my post above, post a scan as proof that Silver Age Mangog can be knocked out through physical means.
Speed is always an instant win if it is sufficient enough. Superman doesn't always uses his speed in comics or just because he gets knocked doesn't mean speed wasn't the answer.
If a nuclear bomb can kill a human then why does someone have to prove that a bullet has to be on that level to kill a human?
My point was that Mangog wasn't indestructible. The writer's intention was that Mangog had the power of a billion billion beings. That means if someone fought Mangog with more power than a billion billion beings then he/she could win.
Superman has more power than that and thus at his best he could harm Mangog.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm sure Galactus or LT could wipe Mangog out. We aren't talking about them.Mangog is made up of a billion billion beings. But, that isn't his power.
His base power comes from the hate of a billion billion beings.
Then, he gros stronger from absorbing hate, violence and other negative emotions from different sources.Mangog took repeated strikes from Thor's hammer, in the same exact spot, over and over, while holding Thor in one hand.
It did nothing. He just held him and kept talking.
I don't ever even remember SEEING anything like that, with Thor in Marvel comics.And, regardless of what you think the outcome between Thor and Supes would be, the fact is that they are treated almost exactly the same by their comic companies. Both characters are written to be able to do ANYTHING they need to do at the time, somehow. Period.
Speed feats, strength feats. Energy, time, blah, blah, blah.It's a stupid argument.
No it was the writer's intention that a billion billion beings is beyond Thor. We must go by writer's intentions. I know he gets stronger from negative emotions. But clearly, the billion billion beings thing was literally meant as a gauge of his power.
Thor was written very inconsistently in his classic days. He got feats from Midgard Serpent to being challenged by Mongoose.
The fact that you agree that Mangog can be physically harmed by Galactus or LT shows that you know that he's not indestructible. With enough force, you can harm him. Well I think over 50 Earth weights of force is sufficient.
Originally posted by h1a8You told me just the other day the writer doesn't matter. Now all of a sudden he does. You are so hypocritical you can't keep yourself consistent within the same week.No it was the writer's intention that a billion billion beings is beyond Thor. We must go by writer's intentions.
Originally posted by h1a8
Speed is always an instant win if it is sufficient enough. Superman doesn't always uses his speed in comics or just because he gets knocked doesn't mean speed wasn't the answer.If a nuclear bomb can kill a human then why does someone have to prove that a bullet has to be on that level to kill a human?
My point was that Mangog wasn't indestructible. The writer's intention was that Mangog had the power of a billion billion beings. That means if someone fought Mangog with more power than a billion billion beings then he/she could win.
Superman has more power than that and thus at his best he could harm Mangog.
And my answer to this post is
Originally posted by Igniz
Could you post proof of Silver Age Mangog being knocked out by physical means?I could post a scan of Superman getting his ass handed by Solomon Grundy.That is proof enough speed isn't always instant win.
Or just admit you don't have any proof or scans of SA Mangog being knocked out by physical means.Otherwise you're getting no where making your claims and opinions without proof from the comics.Hence your opinion/claim isn't facts without the backing of evidence.
Hence your opinion/claim is = to "H-E-A-R-S-A-Y" without the backing of evidence from the comics.
Originally posted by h1a8LT controls "reality" itself. And, Galactus is a cornerstone of the 616 universe. Them being able to harm Mangog does nothing for your argument.
Speed is always an instant win if it is sufficient enough. Superman doesn't always uses his speed in comics or just because he gets knocked doesn't mean speed wasn't the answer.If a nuclear bomb can kill a human then why does someone have to prove that a bullet has to be on that level to kill a human?
My point was that Mangog wasn't indestructible. The writer's intention was that Mangog had the power of a billion billion beings. That means if someone fought Mangog with more power than a billion billion beings then he/she could win.
Superman has more power than that and thus at his best he could harm Mangog.
No it was the writer's intention that a billion billion beings is beyond Thor. We must go by writer's intentions. I know he gets stronger from negative emotions. But clearly, the billion billion beings thing was literally meant as a gauge of his power.
Thor was written very inconsistently in his classic days. He got feats from Midgard Serpent to being challenged by Mongoose.
The fact that you agree that Mangog can be physically harmed by Galactus or LT shows that you know that he's not indestructible. With enough force, you can harm him. Well I think over 50 Earth weights of force is sufficient.
And, you are wrong about the "writer's intentions". It was the writer that stated where his power comes from.
Odin combined the billion billion beings as a prison for that race. But, the initial fuel and drive and abilities came from the hate and pain of that race.
Odin combined them as a method of imprisonment. Then, he shut them away. It was the only way to get the entire, galaxies-spanning race in one place.
It was a physical prison. Obviously, he didn't intend on them turning the hate and pain into almost-infinite destructive power, along with matter manipulation, energy manipulation and other powers I am probably forgetting.
As Odin (the writer) said, Mangog is unbeatable.
Originally posted by Horrificus
LT controls "reality" itself. And, Galactus is a cornerstone of the 616 universe. Them being able to harm Mangog does nothing for your argument.And, you are wrong about the "writer's intentions". It was the writer that stated where his power comes from.
Odin combined the billion billion beings as a prison for that race. But, the initial fuel and drive and abilities came from the hate and pain of that race.
Odin combined them as a method of imprisonment. Then, he shut them away. It was the only way to get the entire, galaxies-spanning race in one place.
It was a physical prison. Obviously, he didn't intend on them turning the hate and pain into almost-infinite destructive power, along with matter manipulation, energy manipulation and other powers I am probably forgetting.
As Odin (the writer) said, Mangog is unbeatable.
you either didn't read the comics or you didn't understand. Mangog boasted several times that he has the power of a billion billion beings when facing Thor's attacks as to the reason Thor can't win. This is clear by the writer's intention that his power is proportional to a billion billion beings.
As for LT and Big G I said physically harm Mangog. Reality warping is not allowed. This along with the billion billion beings concept proves that Mangog can be physically harmed, especially on the inside of him.
h1, what are you even trying to get at?
That Superman can physically merc, SA Mangog, and triumph where Odin couldn't? Because SA Mangog obviously isn't completely immune to harm so if the Living Tribunal and Galactus can physically damage him with physical strength alone, Superman would be able to?
You do realize that Mangog wasn't just a brute who relied primarily on physical prowess, right?
Originally posted by h1a8
you either didn't read the comics or you didn't understand. Mangog boasted several times that he has the power of a billion billion beings when facing Thor's attacks as to the reason Thor can't win. This is clear by the writer's intention that his power is proportional to a billion billion beings.As for LT and Big G I said physically harm Mangog. Reality warping is not allowed. This along with the billion billion beings concept proves that Mangog can be physically harmed, especially on the inside of him.
FYI..."beings" doesn't always have to mean "humans".
Originally posted by h1a8I'm sorry.
you either didn't read the comics or you didn't understand. Mangog boasted several times that he has the power of a billion billion beings when facing Thor's attacks as to the reason Thor can't win. This is clear by the writer's intention that his power is proportional to a billion billion beings.As for LT and Big G I said physically harm Mangog. Reality warping is not allowed. This along with the billion billion beings concept proves that Mangog can be physically harmed, especially on the inside of him.
That's pretty silly.
And, as far as "reading the books" is concerned, you might want to try searching for some of the MANY posts I have thrown up here, complete with more scans than is actually even reasonable.
YOU can probably learn something from reading these posts, because I have practically listed the books, collectively, on here.
Now:
Are you honestly basing your entire argument on the fact that there were instances of Mangog stating he has the power of a "billion billion beings", and left out the rest?
What about ALL of the other times where Mangog, the narrator and other characters have all stated the other sources of Mangog's power?
They just don't count? YOU have decided that they don't count?
That's insane! 😱
Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm sorry.That's pretty silly.
And, as far as "reading the books" is concerned, you might want to try searching for some of the MANY posts I have thrown up here, complete with more scans than is actually even reasonable.
YOU can probably learn something from reading these posts, because I have practically listed the books, collectively, on here.
Now:
Are you honestly basing your entire argument on the fact that there were instances of Mangog stating he has the power of a "billion billion beings", and left out the rest?What about ALL of the other times where Mangog, the narrator and other characters have all stated the other sources of Mangog's power?
They just don't count? YOU have decided that they don't count?
That's insane! 😱
It all goes together. The hate emotion of one being equated to the strength of one being. Thus the hate emotion of a billion billion beings equates to the strength of a billion billion beings.
Originally posted by carver9
FYI..."beings" doesn't always have to mean "humans".
According to writer's intent it does.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
h1, what are you even trying to get at?That Superman can physically merc, SA Mangog, and triumph where Odin couldn't? Because SA Mangog obviously isn't completely immune to harm so if the Living Tribunal and Galactus can physically damage him with physical strength alone, Superman would be able to?
You do realize that Mangog wasn't just a brute who relied primarily on physical prowess, right?
My argument is much more than that. The fact that Mangog boasts that he has the power of a billion billion beings implies the writer's intent. Meaning, that if a being with greater power than a billion billion beings attacked Mangog then he will be harmed.
Originally posted by JayDaDonIt's called common sense. No proof required. The obvious>>>>>made up stuff that isn't shown or hinted to (forgot the word for this lol).
How do you know the writer meant a billion billion humans? What proof is there of this?
If each being supplied the power of a 100 tons then Superman is still stronger.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
There's alot of beings in the marvel Universe, humans is just one kind of being. Again any concrete proof? Cuz even if it's a billion billion asgardians, supes is still screwed. 😐
h1a8 only knows how to spout opinions/claims/hearsays.But when asked to provide scans and evidence, he can't provide any.I asked him to post a scan or scans of SA Mangog being defeated through physical means.And up until now he can't provide even a single scan of SA Mangog being harmed physically.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's called common sense. No proof required. The obvious>>>>>made up stuff that isn't shown or hinted to (forgot the word for this lol).If each being supplied the power of a 100 tons then Superman is still stronger.
And now you claim those Billion billion beings are humans?
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor_157-18.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor_157-19.jpg
Note:Those two scans shows how SA Mangog's first rampage was stopped through Odin's power.Now the next scans shows SA Mangog's second rampage and the reason why Superman will never defeat SA Mangog through physical means.
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-13.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-14.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-15.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-16.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-17.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-18.jpg
So my statements are facts and not claims/opinions/hearsays because I show evidence to what I claim.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
There's alot of beings in the marvel Universe, humans is just one kind of being. Again any concrete proof? Cuz even if it's a billion billion asgardians, supes is still screwed. 😐
Exactly.
I think H1 sits on the side line laughing at everyone because he gets people so riled up. I don't think he believes anything he say.
