Superman vs Silver age Mangog

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h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Igniz
h1a8 only knows how to spout opinions/claims/hearsays.But when asked to provide scans and evidence, he can't provide any.I asked him to post a scan or scans of SA Mangog being defeated through physical means.And up until now he can't provide even a single scan of SA Mangog being harmed physically.

And now you claim those Billion billion beings are humans?

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor_157-18.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor_157-19.jpg

Note:Those two scans shows how SA Mangog's first rampage was stopped through Odin's power.Now the next scans shows SA Mangog's second rampage and the reason why Superman will never defeat SA Mangog through physical means.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-13.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-14.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-15.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-16.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-17.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Thor198-18.jpg

So my statements are facts and not claims/opinions/hearsays because I show evidence to what I claim.


Energy blasts and blunt force trauma aren't the same thing.

I didn't claim they were human but rather about human level. The writer purposely brought up the term billion billion beings in a boast to convince the reader that mangog had the power of a billion billion human level beings. If the beings were far superior to humans then the writer would have told us so. Even if he had the power of a billion billion average Asgardians then Superman is still stronger.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Superman beats Mangog because Mangog is only a billion billion beings. Sounds reasonable...

It was the writer's intent. Don't argue with me, argue with him.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
There's alot of beings in the marvel Universe, humans is just one kind of being. Again any concrete proof? Cuz even if it's a billion billion asgardians, supes is still screwed. 😐
If the billion billion beings wasn't about human level then the writer would have said so. The fact that he's trying to appeal to the reader without deception says that the beings are human level.

Even with the average Asgardian's strength (class 40 I think) then Superman is still stronger than a billion billion of them.

quanchi112 Disney

@H1 no one takes you seriously. I mean when they ask you to back up a claim you even admit you've only seen one scan about the said character. You don't know enough about anyone and just make stuff up and act like that's debating. It isn't.

JayDaDon World Champion

Originally posted by h1a8

Even with the average Asgardian's strength (class 40 I think) then Superman is still stronger than a billion billion of them.

Lol what a load of horses#it! I just had to let this statement stand out on its own.

Igniz I reign supreme!
Originally posted by quanchi112
@H1 no one takes you seriously. I mean when they ask you to back up a claim you even admit you've only seen one scan about the said character. You don't know enough about anyone and just make stuff up and act like that's debating. It isn't.

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And he still can't provide a single measly scan of SA Mangog being knocked out physically.While I provided scans of why Superman doesn't stand a chance in hell defeating SA Mangog.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Lol what a load of horses#it! I just had to let this statement stand out on its own.
What's 40 tons times a billion billion? The answer is 4 x 10^19 tons. Guess how much an Earth weight is. It is 6.6 x 10^21 tons. This 164 times more. Guess how many Earth weights Superman can exert? More than 80. This is more than 13000 times more.

Originally posted by Igniz
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And he still can't provide a single measly scan of SA Mangog being knocked out physically.While I provided scans of why Superman doesn't stand a chance in hell defeating SA Mangog.

Mangog has the power of a billion billion beings. Even if these are average asgardian beings then Superman has the power to still hurt Mangog.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
What's 40 tons times a billion billion? The answer is 4 x 10^19 tons. Guess how much an Earth weight is. It is 6.6 x 10^21 tons. This 164 times more. Guess how many Earth weights Superman can exert? More than 80. This is more than 13000 times more.

😂

Horrificus Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
What's 40 tons times a billion billion? The answer is 4 x 10^19 tons. Guess how much an Earth weight is. It is 6.6 x 10^21 tons. This 164 times more. Guess how many Earth weights Superman can exert? More than 80. This is more than 13000 times more.

Mangog has the power of a billion billion beings. Even if these are average asgardian beings then Superman has the power to still hurt Mangog.

Your computation concerning the weight of the Earth, compared to the hypothetical strength of the previous race of Mangog is meaningless.

Even if we had any other number besides a billion billion, your deduction means nothing, since Superman has been defeated by opponents that didn't have, or need the kind of strength you are talking about.

Regardless of Superman's strength, you are only proving that he can be felled by lesser opponents.

You are shooting yourself in the foot. Cease and desist.

Concerning Mangog's race:
They were beyond the Asgardians. They were, most probably superior to the Asgardians Physically, Technologically and possibly Magically, since the ploy of combining them all into one being was the only chance Asgard had. (as per Odin)

Whoever they were, Odin felt that this was his only chance and if they got past Asgard, it would have continued with no stopping them.

They had "brought death to thousands of galaxies". (Canonical)

Igniz I reign supreme!
Originally posted by h1a8
Mangog has the power of a billion billion beings. Even if these are average asgardian beings then Superman has the power to still hurt Mangog.

I asked you to post proof or scan to prove your opinion/claim that SA Mangog can be defeated by physical means.Otherwise it becomes nothing more then hearsay.Hearsay aren't accepted in debates as facts.You can say "Superman will beat SA Mangog etc,etc, and etc" but trying to prove this sentence is another.If you don't have any proof whatsoever, then just concede to the fact that Superman doesn't have any means of defeating SA Mangog.

carver9 Senior Member

Grundy=160 Earth weights.


Igniz I reign supreme!

Originally posted by Horrificus
Your computation concerning the weight of the Earth, compared to the hypothetical strength of the previous race of Mangog is meaningless.

Even if we had any other number besides a billion billion, your deduction means nothing, since Superman has been defeated by opponents that didn't have, or need the kind of strength you are talking about.

Regardless of Superman's strength, you are only proving that he can be felled by lesser opponents.

You are shooting yourself in the foot. Cease and desist.

Concerning Mangog's race:
They were beyond the Asgardians. They were, most probably superior to the Asgardians Physically, Technologically and possibly Magically, since the ploy of combining them all into one being was the only chance Asgard had. (as per Odin)

Whoever they were, Odin felt that this was his only chance and if they got past Asgard, it would have continued with no stopping them.

They had "brought death to thousands of galaxies". (Canonical)

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The fact Odin was the key to stopping SA Mangog's first rampage.And in SA Mangog's second rampage, Odin died just to cut off SA Mangog's power source in order for Thor to finally beat Mangog.Superman doesn't have the power to do what Odin did.Hence SA Mangog=Death Of Superman again.

Igniz I reign supreme!

Originally posted by carver9
Grundy=160 Earth weights.


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👆 Nice one!

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by carver9
Grundy=160 Earth weights.


Joking aside, context much?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Grundy=160 Earth weights.



You've been corrected on this instance how many times before?
It was year one superman who killed the undead grundy in one hit when he was serious.



psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

^ more proof that fanboyism blinds one from obvious humor

-Pr- Hey Yo!
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ more proof that fanboyism blinds one from obvious humor

It's Carver.

Fifthchild Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
You've been corrected on this instance how many times before?
It was year one superman who killed the undead grundy in one hit when he was serious.

...Did Allan Scott just physically restrain Superman?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ more proof that fanboyism blinds one from obvious humor

Oh I know humor when I seen it, has it been anyone else I would've just laugh it off like gogo's theory that thor is thousands of time stronger than superman. The problem is that carver has been corrected on this topic several times by me alone in my short time here. There was no humor in it, its typical carver lowballing.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Fifthchild
...Did Allan Scott just physically restrain Superman?

He's alan scott aka "written the book on willpower". He can do anything he likes.greenlandurn

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by Igniz
I asked you to post proof or scan to prove your opinion/claim that SA Mangog can be defeated by physical means.Otherwise it becomes nothing more then hearsay.Hearsay aren't accepted in debates as facts.You can say "Superman will beat SA Mangog etc,etc, and etc" but trying to prove this sentence is another.If you don't have any proof whatsoever, then just concede to the fact that Superman doesn't have any means of defeating SA Mangog.

I gave proof. The proof is that the writer gave the limit of a billion billion beings.
You even said yourself that Galactus could physically harm Mangog. Where's your proof?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Your computation concerning the weight of the Earth, compared to the hypothetical strength of the previous race of Mangog is meaningless.

Even if we had any other number besides a billion billion, your deduction means nothing, since Superman has been defeated by opponents that didn't have, or need the kind of strength you are talking about.

Regardless of Superman's strength, you are only proving that he can be felled by lesser opponents.

You are shooting yourself in the foot. Cease and desist.

Concerning Mangog's race:
They were beyond the Asgardians. They were, most probably superior to the Asgardians Physically, Technologically and possibly Magically, since the ploy of combining them all into one being was the only chance Asgard had. (as per Odin)

Whoever they were, Odin felt that this was his only chance and if they got past Asgard, it would have continued with no stopping them.

They had "brought death to thousands of galaxies". (Canonical)

This is Superman's strength at his best and at his worst.
No, the writer's intention was that the billion billion beings were billion billion human level beings. Otherwise, the writer would have stated differently.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Out of context, but going to reply to this comment anyway:

Originally posted by Horrificus
Even if we had any other number besides a billion billion, your deduction means nothing, since Superman has been defeated by opponents that didn't have, or need the kind of strength you are talking about.

Regardless of Superman's strength, you are only proving that he can be felled by lesser opponents.

You are shooting yourself in the foot. Cease and desist.

Not necessarily. Superman's strength has, on many occasions, been shown to be > his durability. Yes, it doesn't make sense, but he flies without wings, so it doesn't really have to.

Superman's rogues gallery, in terms of physical strength, do possess the ability to cause damage on a planetery level for the most part, so do have the ability to hurt him.

Every hero gets felled by lesser opponents; it's called PIS.