Superman vs Silver age Mangog

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave proof. The proof is that the writer gave the limit of a billion billion beings.
You even said yourself that Galactus could physically harm Mangog. Where's your proof?

This is Superman's strength at his best and at his worst.
No, the writer's intention was that the billion billion beings were billion billion human level beings. Otherwise, the writer would have stated differently.

That does not sound like a "human"-level threat.

Even a billion billion Earth-Humans could not bring death to thousands of galaxies, threaten the universe and pose a threat to Asgard.

Think of what it would REALLY mean for an empire to span thousands of galaxies, threaten the universe and threaten Asgard. Think of the distances, time, strength, intelligence and power those things would involve.

They were not anything like "Human".

Originally posted by -Pr-
Out of context, but going to reply to this comment anyway:

Not necessarily. Superman's strength has, on many occasions, been shown to be > his durability. Yes, it doesn't make sense, but he flies without wings, so it doesn't really have to.

Superman's rogues gallery, in terms of physical strength, do possess the ability to cause damage on a planetery level for the most part, so do have the ability to hurt him.

Every hero gets felled by lesser opponents; it's called PIS.

My point is that they do not always keep him from losing to foes that do not have the same level of strength as he does.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave proof. The proof is that the writer gave the limit of a billion billion beings.
You even said yourself that Galactus could physically harm Mangog. Where's your proof?

And where did I say Galactus could harm SA Mangog physically?I responded to your comment of using Living Tribunal and Galactus as a reason for why you think Superman could beat SA Mangog.Here's the flaw in your argument.Basically your putting Superman on a level = to Living Tribunal and Galactus.Both LT and Galactus are abstracts.Superman isn't.

FYI Using math or calculation is futile concerning SA Mangog since he's a magical being.In his OHOTMU Profile, it was hinted that Mangog might be an avatar of the conceptual entity hate or could be a minor abstract.

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=MangogB.jpg

Hence why Superman will never beat SA Mangog.

BTW Post proof SA Mangog can be knocked out physically.Or just concede if you don't have any proof whatsoever.

Originally posted by Igniz
And where did I say Galactus could harm SA Mangog physically?I responded to your comment of using Living Tribunal and Galactus as a reason for why you think Superman could beat SA Mangog.Here's the flaw in your argument.Basically your putting Superman on a level = to Living Tribunal and Galactus.Both LT and Galactus are abstracts.Superman isn't.

FYI Using math or calculation is futile concerning SA Mangog since he's a magical being.In his OHOTMU Profile, it was hinted that Mangog might be an avatar of the conceptual entity hate or could be a minor abstract.

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=MangogB.jpg

Hence why Superman will never beat SA Mangog.

BTW Post proof SA Mangog can be knocked out physically.Or just concede if you don't have any proof whatsoever.

Ok, you have a small point. But you cannot deny the writer's intention. Remember a billion billion humans back in those days was incomprehension by young comic readers. If each human can lift 100lbs. then guess how much a billion billion humans can lift? The answer is 50 quadrillion tons (5 x10^16 tons). It makes perfect since for a being having the power of 50 quadrillion tons to outclass classic Thor. On average, classic Thor was probably in the mid hundreds to thousands of tons range. So in reality he would be lesser than an insect to a 50 quadrillion ton being. The fact that Thor seemed a little more than an insect to Mangog means that the billion billion human power is more realistic than a billion billion higher level beings.

Lastly, the fact that Mangog was more susceptible to damage from the inside proves that he wasn't immune to physical damage or an abstract being incapable of taking physical damage. His outside being more durable than his inside doesn't mean his outside is indestructible to physical force. Either he is indestructible everywhere or he isn't indestructible anywhere.

Originally posted by Horrificus
That was my point. I know Superman has huge strength feats.

My point is that they do not always keep him from losing to foes that do not have the same level of strength as he does.

That's why they generally use methods other than physical strength, though.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, you have a small point. But you cannot deny the writer's intention. Remember a billion billion humans back in those days was incomprehension by young comic readers. If each human can lift 100lbs. then guess how much a billion billion humans can lift? The answer is 50 quadrillion tons (5 x10^16 tons). It makes perfect since for a being having the power of 50 quadrillion tons to outclass classic Thor. On average, classic Thor was probably in the mid hundreds to thousands of tons range. So in reality he would be lesser than an insect to a 50 quadrillion ton being. The fact that Thor seemed a little more than an insect to Mangog means that the billion billion human power is more realistic than a billion billion higher level beings.

Lastly, the fact that Mangog was more susceptible to damage from the inside proves that he wasn't immune to physical damage or an abstract being incapable of taking physical damage. His outside being more durable than his inside doesn't mean his outside is indestructible to physical force. Either he is indestructible everywhere or he isn't indestructible anywhere.

Where are you getting these billions of billions beings are humans. Scans please.

how is this not spite? no way in hell superman can win this

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, you have a small point. But you cannot deny the writer's intention. Remember a billion billion humans back in those days was incomprehension by young comic readers. If each human can lift 100lbs. then guess how much a billion billion humans can lift? The answer is 50 quadrillion tons (5 x10^16 tons). It makes perfect since for a being having the power of 50 quadrillion tons to outclass classic Thor. On average, classic Thor was probably in the mid hundreds to thousands of tons range. So in reality he would be lesser than an insect to a 50 quadrillion ton being. The fact that Thor seemed a little more than an insect to Mangog means that the billion billion human power is more realistic than a billion billion higher level beings.

Lastly, the fact that Mangog was more susceptible to damage from the inside proves that he wasn't immune to physical damage or an abstract being incapable of taking physical damage. His outside being more durable than his inside doesn't mean his outside is indestructible to physical force. Either he is indestructible everywhere or he isn't indestructible anywhere.

And, your entire argument about the billion billion humans, is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by bbrem123
how is this not spite? no way in hell superman can win this

H1a8

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok, you have a small point. But you cannot deny the writer's intention. Remember a billion billion humans back in those days was incomprehension by young comic readers. If each human can lift 100lbs. then guess how much a billion billion humans can lift? The answer is 50 quadrillion tons (5 x10^16 tons). It makes perfect since for a being having the power of 50 quadrillion tons to outclass classic Thor. On average, classic Thor was probably in the mid hundreds to thousands of tons range. So in reality he would be lesser than an insect to a 50 quadrillion ton being. The fact that Thor seemed a little more than an insect to Mangog means that the billion billion human power is more realistic than a billion billion higher level beings.

Lastly, the fact that Mangog was more susceptible to damage from the inside proves that he wasn't immune to physical damage or an abstract being incapable of taking physical damage. His outside being more durable than his inside doesn't mean his outside is indestructible to physical force. Either he is indestructible everywhere or he isn't indestructible anywhere.

By this statement you have no clue on Mangog race hell the whole damn subject, like Horricfic said, there were a threat to Asgard and the rest of the universe they were Asgard dark rival, they are God like beings like Asgard, they were equals or more!!!

You really Believe your Bullsh!t dont you, Classic Thor and Superman are peers, you trying demised Thor and up lift Superman where feats say other wise,if anything they are pretty damn close in strength. If everybody who like DC and Marvel and all agree that Superman will lose and lose badly based on feats and characters abilities, why are you so hell bent trying too prove something that you cant!?

You really try to act like you know 🤨 you are talking about, but you dont, you are looking like complete jack a$$ which is not to hard for you. You are trying too say Superman is = or greater than Classic Odin, that is what you are trying too say. Superman would be fighting somebody who is so damn powerful, that you can add H/P Doomsday and they will still lose hard.

Originally posted by the Darkone
By this statement you have no clue on Mangog race hell the whole damn subject, like Horricfic said, there were a threat to Asgard and the rest of the universe they were Asgard dark rival, they are God like beings like Asgard, they were equals or more!!!

You really Believe your Bullsh!t dont you, Classic Thor and Superman are peers, you trying demised Thor and up lift Superman where feats say other wise,if anything they are pretty damn close in strength. If everybody who like DC and Marvel and all agree that Superman will lose and lose badly based on feats and characters abilities, why are you so hell bent trying too prove something that you cant!?

You really try to act like you know 🤨 you are talking about, but you dont, you are looking like complete jack a$$ which is not to hard for you. You are trying too say Superman is = or greater than Classic Odin, that is what you are trying too say. Superman would be fighting somebody who is so damn powerful, that you can add H/P Doomsday and they will still lose hard.

No! The writer made no mention that the billion billion beings was from a race higher than human strength. Even if the race were as strong as the average 40 ton Asgardian then I already showed that Superman at his best is still stronger.

Superman and Classic Thor ARE NOT PEERS IN STRENGTH. Superman, according to quantifiable feats, is much stronger. Give me a quantifiable feat by Thor that is even above 1 Earth weight of force and then we can talk. Otherwise, you are spouting nothing but bias claims without any proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! The writer made no mention that the billion billion beings was from a race higher than human strength. Even if the race were as strong as the average 40 ton Asgardian then I already showed that Superman at his best is still stronger.

Superman and Classic Thor ARE NOT PEERS IN STRENGTH. Superman, according to quantifiable feats, is much stronger. Give me a quantifiable feat by Thor that is even above 1 Earth weight of force and then we can talk. Otherwise, you are spouting nothing but bias claims without any proof.

Are you f**king stupid or what, the writers stated that they were a threat to Asgard existence period, they were destroyers of worlds, you haven shown us jack sh**, but bullsh** logic that isn't backed up by comic feats.

So you are still saying Superman is on the same level of power of Classic Odin, because thats what going to take, High level sky father not a herald level. 😆 😆 😆 at your ignorance of characters.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! The writer made no mention that the billion billion beings was from a race higher than human strength. Even if the race were as strong as the average 40 ton Asgardian then I already showed that Superman at his best is still stronger.

Superman and Classic Thor ARE NOT PEERS IN STRENGTH. Superman, according to quantifiable feats, is much stronger. Give me a quantifiable feat by Thor that is even above 1 Earth weight of force and then we can talk. Otherwise, you are spouting nothing but bias claims without any proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! The writer made no mention that the billion billion beings was from a race higher than human strength. Even if the race were as strong as the average 40 ton Asgardian then I already showed that Superman at his best is still stronger.

And up until now you're not posting any proof that SA Mangog can be knocked out physically.And you tried to pass off the Mangog commanded by a Thanosi as proof SA Mangog can be knocked out?First off, Thor has a hammer known as Mjolnir.Second, he shoved his hammer down Mangog(Commanded by a Thanosi) and shot an Anti-Force Blast from inside.This 2 facts is what Superman doesn't have.So even the Mangog commanded by a Thanosi isn't losing to Superman.But that is irrelevant since the thread starter said Silver Age Mangog.So is Superman>>>Than Odin?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman and Classic Thor ARE NOT PEERS IN STRENGTH. Superman, according to quantifiable feats, is much stronger. Give me a quantifiable feat by Thor that is even above 1 Earth weight of force and then we can talk. Otherwise, you are spouting nothing but bias claims without any proof.

Oh the irony of this post 😑

Before you call someone bias, aren't you the one spouting bias claims saying Superman can knock out SA Mangog Physically?And this is despite the fact that you haven't shown any proof of SA Mangog being knocked out physically.

^I'm not saying that superman wins here or something like that, but the above reasoning is faulty at best. Case in point, Black adam has never been koed in his entire publishing history except by a tesserect the size of a football field inside his head. So now only tesserect wielding characters can ko him, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
^I'm not saying that superman wins here or something like that, but the above reasoning is faulty at best. Case in point, Black adam has never been koed in his entire publishing history except by a tesserect the size of a football field inside his head. So now only tesserect wielding characters can ko him, right?

h1a8 stated Superman can KO SA Mangog through physical means.This would put Superman >To Odin.Odin was the one who robbed SA Mangog of his power source twice.This is how SA Mangog was defeated.I've already shown this in a scan of how SA Mangog was defeated.It shows Odin is > to SA Mangog.This means Skyfathers and Abstract levels have a shot of defeating SA Mangog.So if we allow h1a8's way of thinking, this is what will appear.

Superman>Odin>SA Mangog

Superman isn't Skyfather level.He's herald level at least.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^I'm not saying that superman wins here or something like that, but the above reasoning is faulty at best. Case in point, Black adam has never been koed in his entire publishing history except by a tesserect the size of a football field inside his head. So now only tesserect wielding characters can ko him, right?

If this is true, it is quite a claim to fame for Adam.

There should be more to the stats of a character, than just the strength level.

Maybe Black Adam has one of the best "jaws" in comic books.

Originally posted by Igniz
h1a8 stated Superman can KO SA Mangog through physical means.This would put Superman >To Odin.Odin was the one who robbed SA Mangog of his power source twice.This is how SA Mangog was defeated.I've already shown this in a scan of how SA Mangog was defeated.It shows Odin is > to SA Mangog.This means Skyfathers and Abstract levels have a shot of defeating SA Mangog.So if we allow h1a8's way of thinking, this is what will appear.

Superman>Odin>SA Mangog

Superman isn't Skyfather level.He's herald level at least.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spite.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um... possibly?
It sounds like that might be the case for BA.

If this is true, it is quite a claim to fame for Adam.

There should be more to the stats of a character, than just the strength level.

Maybe Black Adam has one of the best "jaws" in comic books.

Originally posted by Igniz
And up until now you're not posting any proof that SA Mangog can be knocked out physically.And you tried to pass off the Mangog commanded by a Thanosi as proof SA Mangog can be knocked out?First off, Thor has a hammer known as Mjolnir.Second, he shoved his hammer down Mangog(Commanded by a Thanosi) and shot an Anti-Force Blast from inside.This 2 facts is what Superman doesn't have.So even the Mangog commanded by a Thanosi isn't losing to Superman.But that is irrelevant since the thread starter said Silver Age Mangog.So is Superman>>>Than Odin?

Oh the irony of this post 😑

Before you call someone bias, aren't you the one spouting bias claims saying Superman can knock out SA Mangog Physically?And this is despite the fact that you haven't shown any proof of SA Mangog being knocked out physically.

The reasoning of why Mangog can be knocked out by physical means without him showing it is because of the finite limit the writer gave to him (a billion billion beings). In other words, a billion billion beings isn't an infinite amount of beings, even if those beings had ANY assignable strength.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Are you f**king stupid or what, the writers stated that they were a threat to Asgard existence period, they were destroyers of worlds, you haven shown us jack sh**, but bullsh** logic that isn't backed up by comic feats.

So you are still saying Superman is on the same level of power of Classic Odin, because thats what going to take, High level sky father not a herald level. 😆 😆 😆 at your ignorance of characters.

A billion billion humans can destroy worlds in the comic world easily. Nothing wrong with this in comics. Mangog had magic powers as well to help him. He wanted the Odin sword too to help him. Also, what ordinary worlds could stop someone with both 40 quadrillion ton strength and magical powers?

So you think someone being a threat to Asgard or worlds automatically means they have more than 40 quadrillion ton strength?

Superman at his best is physically stronger than Odin. And energy blasts are not the same as blunt force trauma.

Originally posted by h1a8
The reasoning of why Mangog can be knocked out by physical means without him showing it is because of the finite limit the writer gave to him (a billion billion beings). In other words, a billion billion beings isn't an infinite amount of beings, even if those beings had ANY assignable strength.

A billion billion humans can destroy worlds in the comic world easily. Nothing wrong with this in comics. Mangog had magic powers as well to help him. He wanted the Odin sword too to help him. Also, what ordinary worlds could stop someone with both 40 quadrillion ton strength and magical powers?

So you think someone being a threat to Asgard or worlds automatically means they have more than 40 quadrillion ton strength?

Superman at his best is physically stronger than Odin. And energy blasts are not the same as blunt force trauma.

😂