Miracle of the creation of the embryo

Since Aisha seemed fairly normal and still respected Muhammad even after his death, it is more difficult for me to rage at him than I would another. Sure, I find what he did morally wrong on multiple levels, but the outcome does not appear to have damaged or even harmed Aisha. I believe that is very important in considering how "wrong" something is. Muhammad would not or rather, could not sleep with her until she menstruated. That's a fairly decent biological measure for when someone is "ready" for mating. Don't forget that we are animals. There are specific biological markers to look for: body odor, menstruation, pubic hair, armpit hair, breasts, curvier hips, fuller face and lips, and a deepening voice (I was only talking about female humans, of course). If you view sexuality like a biologist, it becomes less and less taboo to consider what Muhammad did. However...only ONE cycle and he was hitting it? If she looked 14-16 at 9, sure, that's a bit more understandable. But it's highly unlikely she did at age 9. That does not seem to coincide with even a biological assessment of his actions.

Why did we get off on this tangent, again?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It seems like you take every post in isolation without regard for the rest of the conversation. Yes, this isn't unique to the founders. I know that. Remember where that post came from? I was using Jefferson as an example.

What? 😂 I am very scatter brained, and all the different threads run together in my head. What were we talking about? 😉

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since Aisha seemed fairly normal and still respected Muhammad even after his death, it is more difficult for me to rage at him than I would another.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why did we get off on this tangent, again?

LilB has a slight agenda.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Although, that's really not the worst thing he did.

Originally posted by Mindship
eat

eat I hear heads will roll.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
LilB has a slight agenda.

I'm still mixed over that...

At times, she seems anti-Islam. At other times, she speaks praises of it. She even defends it at times.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Emphasis on 'seemed'.

I agree. We would not be able to know the results of what many today would consider sexual abuse. She just seemed normal in her writings.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
LilB has a slight agenda.

I'll disagree.

Having knowledge about something more than an average person doesn't necessarily make me have an agenda....or perhaps it does and if it did, it would be for people to invest time into investigating something as opposed regurgitating any bullshit CNN, BBC, PC crowd or Al Jazeera spew out, who, more than evidently, have a very clear agenda of their own.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm still mixed over that...

At times, she seems anti-Islam. At other times, she speaks praises of it. She even defends it at times.

Perhaps you being undecided about my view of Islam is a positive thing and would possibly indicate that I have looked over the good and the bad parts of it...and one certainly outweighs the other.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree. We would not be able to know the results of what many today would consider sexual abuse. She just seemed normal in her writings.

It has been pointed out that one of the reasons Aisha never got pregnant despite being with Muhammad the longest, was because she was exposed to sex so early that Muhammad might have damaged her reproductive organs.
This is, of course, a speculation.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since Aisha seemed fairly normal and still respected Muhammad even after his death, it is more difficult for me to rage at him than I would another.

...unless you're Shi'ah Muslim in which case you might believe it was Aisha who killed Muhammad by poisoning him.
Depends whose version of the events you choose to believe.

Personally, I'm more inclined toward Shi'ahs than Sunnis...don't ask me why.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
...unless you're Shi'ah Muslim in which case you might believe it was Aisha who killed Muhammad by poisoning him.
Depends whose version of the events you choose to believe.

Personally, I'm more inclined toward Shi'ahs than Sunnis...don't ask me why.

I did not know that. I am very uncultured when it comes to Islam. Knowing the basics of Islam and knowing about the culture around it (historical, too) are two different things.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I'll disagree.

Having knowledge about something more than an average person doesn't necessarily make me have an agenda....or perhaps it does and if it did, it would be for people to invest time into investigating something as opposed regurgitating any bullshit CNN, BBC, PC crowd or Al Jazeera spew out, who, more than evidently, have a very clear agenda of their own.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I'll disagree.

Actually, I retract what I said. It was Robtard who started the tangent with the first post, for some reason I thought it was you.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What are your sources? You didn't tell me when I asked you.

Sorry, I totally missed your post (and I can't find it on here). What sources would you like? For the marriage with Aish'a?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Sorry, I totally missed your post (and I can't find it on here). What sources would you like? For the marriage with Aish'a?

Do you get your news from Independent Blogs?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No just in general. You distrust Western news sources and Al Jazeera outright, so I'm wondering what that leaves you with.

Do you get your news from Independent Blogs?

Independent blogs? No.

Why in the hell would I need someone to tell me about Islam in their own words when I have direct sources readily available?

I have read and only read purely Islamic materials and use only those that are considered authentic by the Islamc scholars.
As such, I would never quote a Hadith which speaks of Muhammad having sex with a corpse, because, even though it is in a Hadith, it isn't counted as reliable by certain Islamic Scholars.

So, my knowledge comes from Qur'an, Hadith and Sirat Rasul Allah, not from an 'independent blogger'.

If you go back to this thread, I have provided the Sahih Hadith for every claim I made about Muhammad and the age of Aish'a.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Independent blogs? Really?

Why in the hell would I need someone to tell me about Islam in their own words when I have direct sources readily available?

I have read and only read purely Islamic materials and only those that are considered authentic by the Islamc scholars.
As such, I would never quote a Hadith which speaks of Muhammad having sex with a corpse, because, even though it is in a Hadith, it isn't counted as reliable by certain Islamic Scholars.

So, my knowledge comes from Qur'an, Hadith and Sirat Rasul Allah, not from an 'independent blogger'.

If you go back to this thread, I have provided the Sahih Hadith for every claim I made about Muhammad and the age of Aish'a.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I said "in general" because I was referring to previous threads, I'm going off topic here and not really referring to the issue of Islam. I'm asking about what your sources are on more current events.

I totally misunderstood what you said. We were in fact talking about two different things. Sorry.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I totally misunderstood what you said. We were in fact talking about two different things. Sorry.

Don't knock Independent Blogs though...some of those guys get into serious scholarship between Skyrim sessions and watching torrented episodes of Wilfred.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lmao I know.

Don't knock Independent Blogs though...some of those guys get into serious scholarship between Skyrim sessions and watching torrented episodes of Wilfred.

I actually don't know any. As in, truly independent. I like American bloggers a lot, as long as they're not too far either way. I've read some good Republican and Democrat orientated blogs both speaking about Islam, Middle East, Western issues (Europe and USA), China...etc. Middle East is a bit more difficult.
I found either totally unquestionably pro-Israel or totally unquestionably pro-Palestine.

If anyone knows any ''middle way'' bloggers please let me know.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I actually don't know any. As in, truly independent. I like American bloggers a lot, as long as they're not too far either way. I've read some good Republican and Democrat orientated blogs both speaking about Islam, Middle East, Western issues (Europe and USA), China...etc. Middle East is a bit more difficult.
I found either totally unquestionably pro-Israel or totally unquestionably pro-Palestine.

If anyone knows any ''middle way'' bloggers please let me know.