Originally posted by OneDumbG0This is the point that cannot be ignored.
Galactus was the one AND ONLY entity who proved to be susceptible to DP Tyrant's energy absorption powers. That's because he feeds drectly on biospheres and shoots synthesized BSE. None of the others characters do. Neither does King Thor nor Bor.Its really not hard to understand.
^ Oh, I am so happy he ignores it. I counted on it from the beginning. Can't wait for the dude who obsessed over Galactus' sweat drops in his Odin fight to concede that Galactus can eat Odin like he eats planets because Odin isn't anything but mere BSE.
Ain't I a stinker? kinda
Originally posted by zopzopIt's wrong that there were long eons and context behind the evolution of the being that would become King Thor? It's wrong that there are so many degrees of separation between the original Demiurge's energies and King Thor, that conflating the two is a ridiculously trite proposition? Demiurge ---> Elder Gods ---> Atum ---> human consciousness changing those energies ---> Tiwaz ---> Bor ---> Odin ---> Thor ---> The Ones Who Sit in Shadow reforming and resurrecting them ---> King Thor eventually? It's wrong that Zeus' power is different from Odin's? It's wrong that the power they possess evolved in different ways and did not remain the same otherwise anybody could wield Mjolnir? It's wrong that the gods have evolved over eons becoming different things from each other? It's wrong that they sustain and draw power from different things, i.e., Set from saurons and Atum from the Sun?
Wrong. According to the scans, that's exactly what they are! Pieces of BSE given form by mortal minds. I don't understand why you continue to ignore the scans? It's not like this is a farfetched theory of mind. The narrator made it clear on panel and the handbook writer repeated those statements : WORD FOR WORD.
Originally posted by zopzopAre you being intentionally stupid to throw me off the scent? Who cares if it isn't efficient. I've already accepted for the purposes of argument, that it wouldn't be as efficient. Galactus can nonetheless eat planets on his own. Galactus can nonetheless eat BSE on his own. Why is it that you can't admit that Galactus could eat Gods (who are only the functional equivalent of pieces of BSE) by your own rationale?
This has everything to do with what you said. If according to on panel statements that Galactus doesn't need the machine to devour a planet they just make the ENERGY ABSORPTION FAR MORE EFFIECIENT, that would explain why he doesn't eat gods sans his machine. It wouldn't be an efficient form of attack or sustenance.
Because you hate him so much? We already know that. But if you're going to act like DP Tyrant is the boss, you've gotta own up to the consequences of your absurd theory. Can Galactus sloppily eat Gods since they're really nothing more than pieces of BSE?
Originally posted by zopzopNo sh1t, Sherlock. Neither does Galactus strictly need machines to eat a planet. It just made it easier, like it made it easier for DP Tyrant to eat Galactus.
And Tyrant didn't need Galactus' machines to drain the BSE from Galactus' attacks.
Originally posted by zopzopSo you're arguing that even though he had every opporunity to do so, that blazing Odinforce emitting from Stormbreaker that hit DP Tyrant was not absorbed and simply went to waste? 😆 Does DP Tyrant turn off this BSE absorbing trait of his even when blazing BSE comes into contact with his frame?
Again, as STATED ON PANEL, he didn't want to devour them or their energies, he wanted them ALIVE TO FUEL HIS WORLDSHIP. Why is this so hard to understand? All BRB did was HURL the hammer at him and it bounced off him harmlessly. That's all. That would be pitting BRB's strength and Uru metal vs Tyrant's hide.
So not only did DP Tyrant not absorb the Odinforce from BRB/Stormbreaker, there's no evidence that BRB/Stormbreaker or their attacks were more edible than any of the other Herald-level beings he captured. So... you sill have absolutely no evidence that DP Tyrant can simply eat the Odinforce.
Originally posted by zopzopYou're lying. And it's obvious. These aren't even straw-mans anymore. You're just lying out your a$$. I never once said Chaos King was a creation of the Demiurge. I said Chaos King sustained and amped himself off by devouring planets and their pantheons (which are, according to you, nothing but pieces of anthromorphisized BSE). That's exactly what he did, just like Galactus does -- the only being on-panel who ever suffered from DP Tyrant direct energy absorption powers -- except there's no evidence that suggests Chaos King synthesizes it into something different like the Power Cosmic.
What theory? It was stated ON PANEL by Hercules and Eternity that CK PREDATES creation. If he predates Creation, he predates Demiurge. If he predates Demiurge, how can he be a creation of the Demiurge? If he has NOTHING to do with the Demiurge, why are you using him in this discussion?CK predates creation, has nothing to do with the Demiurge, and was devouring EVERYTHING in the multiverse (Cho said he had 98% of it eaten). Galactus, predates the universe, is not composed of BSE BUT unlike CK, SYNTHESIZED BSE into the Power Cosmic. See the difference? Bringing CK up is just deflection on your part.
Of course, it's obvious you're just lying at this point. Your ship is sinking and your theory is so pathetic... even you won't fully back it to the bitter end.
Originally posted by zopzopI call you on your bullsh1t. You're never going to admit reading Chaos War and you'll keep pretending that you're "looking into it." It's obvious because you don't want to be cornered into arguing that DP Tyrant eats CW Hercules who was amped by Gaea and Pele. I haven't even gotten to the real killer of your argument yet. Needless to say, I am dragging this out purposefully before I serve you my coup de grace.
Actually, UNLIKE YOU, I'm looking for the scans that add to my position or this discussion. You just throw tantrums and deflect.You keep saying that CK was devouring planets and pantheons but that wasn't the end of it, he was devouring EVERYTHING and had 98% of the multiverse before they stopped him. That 98% includes a lot more than mere planets with biospheres or pantheons. Chaos King's source of power isn't merely biospheric in nature. It transcends that.
Galactus, on the other hand, as STATED ON PANEL, synthesized BSE INTO the Power Cosmic. Tyrant, as STATED ON PANEL, can absorb BSE energy even if it's synthesized into other forms of energy.
But as it currently stands right now, you still have no evidence of DP Tyrant eating anything else directly other than synthesized BSE. I'm just humoring your helplessness at this point to get you to admit that Galactus could eat Odin like he eats planets since he's just mere BSE. It's the very first thing I thought of when you tried to peddle this sh1tty theory and as predicted, you responded to my poking holes like clockwork with worse and worse prevarications and desperate deflections that you committed yourself so hard to the proposition that Skyfathers are just mere BSE that you'll never back off from it.
Now let's see you mewl and whine about how Galactus could eat Odin (but he can't really), even though you're trying to sell how Odin isn't much more than mere BSE (but wait... you can't back off from that) so he could, sorta. I'm just waiting for your head to explode at this point. And, yea, you did it to yourself.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Oh, I am so happy he ignores it. I counted on it from the beginning. Can't wait for the dude who obsessed over Galactus' sweat drops in his Odin fight to concede that Galactus can eat Odin like he eats planets because Odin isn't anything but mere BSE.Ain't I a stinker? kinda
No one is ignoring it. The Gods are LITERAL BSE given shape my mortal minds. WTH is so hard to understand about that? It would be even easier to devour them then Galactus because unlike them Galactus IS NOT COMPOSED OF BSE. He merely synthesizes it into the Power Cosmic.
It's wrong that there were long eons and context behind the evolution of the being that would become King Thor? It's wrong that there are so many degrees of separation between the original Demiurge's energies and King Thor, that conflating the two is a ridiculously trite proposition? Demiurge ---> Elder Gods ---> Atum ---> human consciousness changing those energies ---> Tiwaz ---> Bor ---> Odin ---> Thor ---> The Ones Who Sit in Shadow reforming and resurrecting them ---> King Thor eventually? It's wrong that Zeus' power is different from Odin's? It's wrong that the power they possess evolved in different ways and did not remain the same otherwise anybody could wield Mjolnir? It's wrong that the gods have evolved over eons becoming different things from each other? It's wrong that they sustain and draw power from different things, i.e., Set from saurons and Atum from the Sun?
The scans make it clear, the gods are nothing more than pieces of the Demiurge given form by mortal minds (it even SHOWED the picture of Odin, Zeus, and the other "current" gods and their pantheons).
Are you being intentionally stupid to throw me off the scent? Who cares if it isn't efficient. I've already accepted for the purposes of argument, that it wouldn't be as efficient. Galactus can nonetheless eat planets on his own. Galactus can nonetheless eat BSE on his own. Why is it that you can't admit that Galactus could eat Gods (who are only the functional equivalent of pieces of BSE) by your own rationale?Because you hate him so much? We already know that. But if you're going to act like DP Tyrant is the boss, you've gotta own up to the consequences of your absurd theory. Can Galactus sloppily eat Gods since they're really nothing more than pieces of BSE?
Yes he CAN attempt to eat them but it's nowhere near as efficient as if he were to use his machines as stated on panel.
No sh1t, Sherlock. Neither does Galactus strictly need machines to eat a planet. It just made it easier, like it made it easier for DP Tyrant to eat Galactus.
Yeah as stated on panel "it makes the energy absorption process FAR MORE EFFICIENT". Tyrant's BSE absorption abilities > Galactus'
So you're arguing that even though he had every opporunity to do so, that blazing Odinforce emitting from Stormbreaker that hit DP Tyrant was not absorbed and simply went to waste? 😆 Does DP Tyrant turn off this BSE absorbing trait of his even when blazing BSE comes into contact with his frame?So not only did DP Tyrant not absorb the Odinforce from BRB/Stormbreaker, there's no evidence that BRB/Stormbreaker or their attacks were more edible than any of the other Herald-level beings he captured. So... you sill have absolutely no evidence that DP Tyrant can simply eat the Odinforce.
No I'm saying, what was STATED ON PANEL, that he had no desire to drain them or kill them for power for himself. He WANTED THEM TO FUEL HIS WORLDSHIP. Even when provided by the scans, you ignore it.
You're lying. And it's obvious. These aren't even straw-mans anymore. You're just lying out your a$$. I never once said Chaos King was a creation of the Demiurge. I said Chaos King sustained and amped himself off by devouring planets and their pantheons (which are, according to you, nothing but pieces of anthromorphisized BSE). That's exactly what he did, just like Galactus does -- the only being on-panel who ever suffered from DP Tyrant direct energy absorption powers -- except there's no evidence that suggests Chaos King synthesizes it into something different like the Power Cosmic.Of course, it's obvious you're just lying at this point. Your ship is sinking and your theory is so pathetic... even you won't fully back it to the bitter end.
CK was eating FAR more than pantheons and planets, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten 98% of the multiverse. Galactus on the other hand synthesizes BSE into the Power Cosmic. CK has nothing to do with SOLELY the biosphere of anything. He is a multiversal force representing the void before creation.
I call you on your bullsh1t. You're never going to admit reading Chaos War and you'll keep pretending that you're "looking into it." It's obvious because you don't want to be cornered into arguing that DP Tyrant eats CW Hercules who was amped by Gaea and Pele. I haven't even gotten to the real killer of your argument yet. Needless to say, I am dragging this out purposefully before I serve you my coup de grace.But as it currently stands right now, you still have no evidence of DP Tyrant eating anything else directly other than synthesized BSE. I'm just humoring your helplessness at this point to get you to admit that Galactus could eat Odin like he eats planets since he's just mere BSE. It's the very first thing I thought of when you tried to peddle this sh1tty theory and as predicted, you responded to my poking holes like clockwork with worse and worse prevarications and desperate deflections that you committed yourself so hard to the proposition that Skyfathers are just mere BSE that you'll never back off from it.
Now let's see you mewl and whine about how Galactus could eat Odin (but he can't really), even though you're trying to sell how Odin isn't much more than mere BSE (but wait... you can't back off from that) so he could, sorta. I'm just waiting for your head to explode at this point. And, yea, you did it to yourself.
As of now you are just spewing vitriole and backing it with nothing while ignoring my posts and the scans to back them.
Tyrant proved on panel that he could absorb BSE even if converted to other forms of energy. On panel it was stated by both Tyrant and Galactus that Tyrant's source of power is the biosphere of every world in the universe.
Demiurge is the sentience of Earth's biosphere. Demiurge is the father of all the Gods of Earth. The handbook and on panel statements say the Gods are nothing more than pieces of the Demiurge given form by mortal minds.
Galactus could ATTEMPT to eat Odin or any other God created by Demiurge, but the energy absorption process would be FAR LESS EFFICIENT than if he used his machines.
^ Where did all this "attempt" sh1t come from? Don't you slink away from your position. Galactus eats Odin as easily (and as sloppily) as he eats planets. You already admitted to this in another thread.
Gods, much like planets, are just pieces of BSE. The Skyfather-council would be a veritable sloppy-joes buffet for Galactus (without the napkins or utensils). This is all according to YOUR theory.
And you're wrong. Chaos King has everything to do with BSE as he directly ate planets and their pantheons to empower himself. And there's no evidence he ever synthesized that power into something different like the Power Cosmic. So since his power derived from BSE, why are you so reluctant to accept that he gets eaten by DP Tyrant? Or, for that matter, CW Hercules who was initially empowered by god artifacts and than amped by Gaea and Pele?
Cmon now, if you're gonna peddle this sh1t while completely disregarding your own credibility and logic, do it all the way! You're already at the point that DP Tyrant eats every Elder God and Skyfather in a fight, after all. It's not like you haven't gone off the deep end already. I need to see you commit fully before I send it all crashing down.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Where did all this "attempt" sh1t come from? Don't you slink away from your position. Galactus eats Odin as easily (and as sloppily) as he eats planets. You already admitted to this in another thread.Gods, much like planets, are just pieces of BSE. The Skyfather-council would be a veritable sloppy-joes buffet for Galactus (without the napkins or utensils). This is all according to YOUR theory.
And you're wrong. Chaos King has everything to do with BSE as he directly ate planets and their pantheons to empower himself. And there's no evidence he ever synthesized that power into something different like the Power Cosmic. So since his power derived from BSE, why are you so reluctant to accept that he gets eaten by DP Tyrant? Or, for that matter, CW Hercules who was initially empowered by god artifacts and than amped by Gaea and Pele?
Cmon now, if you're gonna peddle this sh1t while completely disregarding your own credibility and logic, do it all the way! You're already at the point that DP Tyrant eats every Elder God and Skyfather in a fight, after all. It's not like you haven't gone off the deep end already. I need to see you commit fully before I send it all crashing down.
Attempt as in YES he can try but actually absorbing their energies is gonna be crap without his machines. Just like it was stated on panel by Reed "the machine makes the energy absorption FAR MORE EFFICIENT."
Regarding CK, he had eaten 98% of the multiverse before he was stopped. That's a LOT more than biosphere's of planets and pantheons.
This "attempt" sh1t is meaningless. Nobody here, is trying to insinuate that Galactus eats the gods more efficiently than he does planets. Stop slinking away from your position. Galactus eats Odin as easily (and as sloppily) as he eats planets. You've admitted to this. Why do you keep on trying to dress it up with meaningless asides? Let your theory stand on its own without superfluous traipsings.
You believe in the heart of your hearts that Galactus eats Odin as easily (and as sloppily) as he eats planets.
Of course, thank you for admitting that Chaos King eats planets and their pantheons and that you were completely lying when you said this: "Nothing to do with biospheres." Indeed, we see two extremes of behavior going on; on one hand, you keep trying to add superfluous red herrings to statements that can stand completely on their own but on the other hand you completely are ignoring CW Hercules who was initially empowered by god artifacts and than amped by Gaea and Pele.
Dude. You already admitted that DP Tyrant eats all the Elder Gods and Skyfathers. You believe in your heart of hearts that DP Tyrant eats Gaea... he eats Set... he eats Odin, etc. You've gone full-blown insane committed-mode already. Ain't no stopping this. This is a car-crash in slow motion and you sensed it when you had to answer whether DP Tyrant eats Set or not. You know exactly where I am eventually going with this.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This "attempt" sh1t is meaningless. Nobody here, is trying to insinuate that Galactus eats the gods more efficiently than he does planets. Stop slinking away from your position. Galactus eats Odin as easily (and as sloppily) as he eats planets. You've admitted to this. Why do you keep on trying to dress it up with meaningless asides? Let your theory stand on its own without superfluous traipsings.[b]You believe in the heart of your hearts that Galactus eats Odin as easily (and as sloppily) as he eats planets.
Of course, thank you for admitting that Chaos King eats planets and their pantheons and that you were completely lying when you said this: "Nothing to do with biospheres." Indeed, we see two extremes of behavior going on; on one hand, you keep trying to add superfluous red herrings to statements that can stand completely on their own but on the other hand you completely are ignoring CW Hercules who was initially empowered by god artifacts and than amped by Gaea and Pele.
Dude. You already admitted that DP Tyrant eats all the Elder Gods and Skyfathers. You believe in your heart of hearts that DP Tyrant eats Gaea... he eats Set... he eats Odin, etc. You've gone full-blown
insanecommitted-mode already. Ain't no stopping this. This is a car-crash in slow motion and you sensed it when you had to answer whether DP Tyrant eats Set or not. You know exactly where I am eventually going with this. [/B]
No the "attempted' comment isn't meaningless. Galactus CAN attempt to eat them because the Gods are BSE given form by mortal minds, how EFFICIENT the energy absorption is compared to Tyrant attempting it is a different story.
The same way I can scoop out handfuls of water to empty a filled pool but it would be FAR MORE EFFICIENT to use a tool like a bucket to do it.
CK has nothing to do with biospheres because he was eating them AND MORE. If he was just eating planets and pantheons, you'd have a point. But he was eating ALL the multiverse and had it down to the last 2% before he was stopped. That's far beyond biospheres. So including him in this discussion is meaningless.
Chaos War Herc I'm still trying to find the scans for.
And yes, according to on panel statements backed up by the handbook of the gods itself (the Encyclopedia Mythologica), Tyrant should have NO problem taking them down. If as was stated by Galactus and Tyrant themselves that he gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the UNIVERSE and he can absorb BSE even when it's synthesized into other forms of energy AND if the Gods are nothing more than pieces of the Demiurge (the Earth's biosphere) given form by mortal minds, why does it strain logic to say he can devour them?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Odin One shots himself against a non prepped and not well fed Galactus... + prepped and well fed galactus gets tooled by Tyrant = DP Tyrant eats all the Elder Gods and Skyfathers and Galactus eats all the Elder Gods and Skyfathers (sloppily)?Smart math.
Funny I thought this was Dp Tyrant vs. Bor and King Thor? How silly of me... However, your equation is spot on... just replace King Thor and Bor with all the elder gods and skyfathers and you have a winner.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWait, wait. You also believe DP Tyrant eats Bor and King Thor? PLEASE TELL ME YOU BELIEVE THIS!
Funny I thought this was Dp Tyrant vs. Bor and King Thor? How silly of me... However, your equation is spot on... just replace King Thor and Bor with all the elder gods and skyfathers and you have a winner.
Originally posted by zopzopYou've ALREADY AGREED that Galactus eats them. There is, accordingly, no question of success or attempts here. There was also, NEVER A QUESTION concerning the efficiency of him doing so. You're just trying to project some false caveats over your conclusions to manufacture a pretense of softening your position. You tried and failed. This has been pointed out to you MULTIPLE times. You already answered he would. We already agreed it would be sloppy. Repeating both things in incessantly infantile fashion doesn't soften the underlying stance: Galactus eats Elder Gods and Skyfathers as easily (and as sloppily) as he does planets. <--- YOUR BELIEF. Which is A.W.E.S.O.M.E.
No the "attempted' comment isn't meaningless. Galactus CAN attempt to eat them because the Gods are BSE given form by mortal minds, how EFFICIENT the energy absorption is compared to Tyrant attempting it is a different story.The same way I can scoop out handfuls of water to empty a filled pool but it would be FAR MORE EFFICIENT to use a tool like a bucket to do it.
Originally posted by zopzopGood job contradicting yourself. You have a penchant for oxymorons.
CK has nothing to do with biospheres because he was eating them
Originally posted by zopzopNo, you're not. Don't even pretend you are.
Chaos War Herc I'm still trying to find the scans for.And yes, according to on panel statements backed up by the handbook of the gods itself (the Encyclopedia Mythologica), Tyrant should have NO problem taking them down. If as was stated by Galactus and Tyrant themselves that he gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the UNIVERSE and he can absorb BSE even when it's synthesized into other forms of energy AND if the Gods are nothing more than pieces of the Demiurge (the Earth's biosphere) given form by mortal minds, why does it strain logic to say he can devour them?
But I don't need to get you to admit that DP Tyrant eats CW Hercules to deconstruct your horsesh1t theory. You already made your grave. I'm just waiting for KuRuPT Thanosi to join you. Which would be hilarious.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You've ALREADY AGREED that Galactus eats them. There is, accordingly, no question of success or attempts here. There was also, NEVER A QUESTION concerning the efficiency of him doing so. You're just trying to project some false caveats over your conclusions to manufacture a pretense of softening your position. You tried and failed. This has been pointed out to you MULTIPLE times. You already answered he would. We already agreed it would be sloppy. Repeating both things in incessantly infantile fashion doesn't soften the underlying stance: Galactus eats Elder Gods and Skyfathers as easily (and as sloppily) as he does planets. <--- YOUR BELIEF. Which is A.W.E.S.O.M.E.
It's not a belief. It's an opinion backed up with on panel scans and handbook entries from Marvel.
Good job contradicting yourself. You have a penchant for oxymorons.
What contradiction. He had nothing to do with biospheres, he was eating them and EVERYTHING ELSE in creation. It didn't matter to him if it was a biosphere of a planet, a star, space, etc.... He was devouring/absorbing it ALL.
No, you're not. Don't even pretend you are.But I don't need to get you to admit that DP Tyrant eats CW Hercules to deconstruct your horsesh1t theory. You already made your grave. I'm just waiting for KuRuPT Thanosi to join you. Which would be hilarious.
Yes I am and I found it. Those four items allowed Cho to create a being that went toe to toe with the CK in power? And according to the promos for CK this was a bigger than the IG and the "greatest threat to the Marvel Universe"!
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Originally posted by zopzopNo. See, that's not accurate by any measure. You have no evidence in the first instance that DP Tyrant eats Elder Gods and Skyfathers. That's because he never has done so on-panel. There are no statements that DP Tyrant eats Elder Gods and Skyfathers.
It's not a belief. It's an opinion backed up with on panel scans and handbook entries from Marvel.
What you have... is old handbooks and old scans that suggest that all of the Elder Gods were birthed directly by the Demiurge, an entity that represented raw biospheric energy. And you have an unsupported assumption that it is entirely reasonable to assume that since the current Skyfathers were birthed by these recycled, transformed biospheric energies disgorged by Atum, they still are, functionally indistinguishable from the oiginal bospheric energies of the Demiurge.
Originally posted by zopzopLearn to recognize the words that you're typing. Chaos King has nothing to do with something he eats. Really? REALLY?
What contradiction. He had nothing to do with biospheres, he was eating them
Originally posted by zopzopDa phuck are you rolling your eyes for? That Hercules was amped by god items? That Supergod Hercules was then directly amped by Gaea and Pele? That just cornered you. Now that you found those scans in the issues I directed you towards, does DP Tyrant eat CW Hercules? Now that you can't pretend you haven't read the issues, answer the question.
Yes I am and I found it. Those four items allowed Cho to create a being that went toe to toe with the CK in power? And according to the promos for CK this was a bigger than the IG and the "greatest threat to the Marvel Universe"!
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. See, that's not accurate by any measure. You have no evidence in the first instance that DP Tyrant eats Elder Gods and Skyfathers. That's because he never has done so on-panel. There are no statements that DP Tyrant eats Elder Gods and Skyfathers.What you have... is old handbooks and old scans that suggest that all of the Elder Gods were birthed directly by the Demiurge, an entity that represented raw biospheric energy. And you have an unsupported assumption that it is entirely reasonable to assume that since the current Skyfathers were birthed by these recycled, transformed biospheric energies disgorged by Atum, they still are, functionally indistinguishable from the oiginal bospheric energies of the Demiurge.
Wrong. The "old scans" were backed up by the handbook SPECIFICALLY tailored to the Pantheons in 2007 and word for word. The Gods are given substance by the Demiurge aka the sentience of Earth's biosphere (Elder Gods and Current Gods) and form by the minds of men (current Gods).
Learn to recognize the words that you're typing. Chaos King has nothing to do with something he eats. Really? REALLY?
Yes really, because he was the void BEFORE creation. He was devouring all reality to get back to that state. He has nothing to do with biospheres. He was eating anything and everything indiscriminately.
Da phuck are you rolling your eyes for? That Hercules was amped by god items? That Supergod Hercules was then directly amped by Gaea and Pele? That just cornered you. Now that you found those scans in the issues I directed you towards, does DP Tyrant eat CW Hercules? Now that you can't pretend you haven't read the issues, answer the question.
Originally posted by zopzopYou said this in another thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=547590&pagenumber=1
Wrong. The "old scans" were backed up by the handbook SPECIFICALLY tailored to the Pantheons in 2007 and word for word. The Gods are given substance by the Demiurge aka the sentience of Earth's biosphere (Elder Gods and Current Gods) and form by the minds of men (current Gods).
Originally posted by zopzopWait... but surely you never argued that the "old scans" are unreliable now...
This has been retconned you know.Gaea is not created by the Demiurge anymore according to Chaos War.
And Set is older than Galactus or the Celestials and preexisted as the great darkness, no mention of Demiurge in his creation either. This was from Secret Avengers 1-4.
Originally posted by zopzop... b-b-b-b-b-but wait... I mean... they're still legitimate as something was published in 2007... well yes... that's before Chaos War and Secret Avengers was published but-
Demiurge hasn't been mentioned since the Serpent Crown Saga back in 1989. I don't even think he was mentioned in Mystic Arcana or Marvel : Tarot and those were pretty in-depth concerning the Elder Gods and their origins.
Originally posted by zopzop... but isn't there any sort of value to the original "old scans"? I mean... it's not strictly a retcon, right? Right? RIGHT?
Easy, originally the story was the Demiurge created the Elder Gods on Earth billions of years ago.According to Chaos War this isn't the case anymore with Gaea.
According to Secret Avengers 1-4, Set preexisted before this current universe.
Hence the retconn 😄
Originally posted by zopzop
If he's not mentioned in the most recent retelling of their origins then that's a retcon by definition.On panel it was mentioned that Gaea predates the other Gods in this universe. On panel in Secret Avengers it states Set predates this universe.
Oh, I told you. I told you that you dug your own grave here. Lord... I can't even get to CW Hercules because you're outright lying about how he was powered up now. Let's just say, that's the least of your problems.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You said this in another thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=547590&pagenumber=1 Wait... but surely you never argued that the "old scans" are unreliable now... ... b-b-b-b-b-but wait... I mean... they're still legitimate as something was published in 2007... well yes... that's before Chaos War and Secret Avengers was published but- ... but isn't there any sort of value to the original "old scans"? I mean... it's not strictly a retcon, right? Right? RIGHT?Oh, I told you. I told you that you dug your own grave here. Lord... I can't even get to CW Hercules because you're outright lying about how he was powered up now. Let's just say, that's the least of your problems.
You realize there was NO proof that the entity mentioned in Secret Avengers was Set at all right? It was pointed out to me later and there was debate over it (even at the Appendix to the Marvel Universe site) That's why I left it out of my respect thread for Set because there was confusion about it and only included the Serpent Crown of Thorns that Nova wore because it looked almost exactly like one of the Set created Crowns.
Regarding the Gaea retcon how does this affect the Demogorge that was the child of the Demiurge and Gaea? He's recently showed up again in Mighty Thor (DESPITE being destroyed by the Skrull Goddess).
^ I never thought I'd get another chance to have a poster play out an argument against themselves within a single thread... but then again, your predisposition is to continue ranting without any regard to how dumb it makes you look. So let's do it:
Originally posted by zopzop
You realize there was NO proof that the entity mentioned in Secret Avengers was Set at all right? It was pointed out to me later and there was debate over it (even at the Appendix to the Marvel Universe site) That's why I left it out of my respect thread for Set because there was confusion about it and only included the Serpent Crown of Thorns that Nova wore because it looked almost exactly like one of the Set created Crowns.
Originally posted by zopzop
No I'm really not. The mural at the site of the "Tentacle Crown" was a dead give away and here is the location of the main crown in the image of Set flanked by tentacles of stone, exactly as the mural at the previous "Tentacle Crown" depicted.Now if the Set isn't the Father in question AND he's not the Darkest Child imprisoned on Mars, why would the worshipers of the Darkest Child being "touched by Abyss" create a crown in Set's image? If Set was merely another of the Abyss' children, why would it's brother make a crown"touched by Abyss" in the image of it's brother and not it's sire?!
Originally posted by zopzop
Regarding the Gaea retcon how does this affect the Demogorge that was the child of the Demiurge and Gaea? He's recently showed up again in Mighty Thor (DESPITE being destroyed by the Skrull Goddess).
Originally posted by zopzopYou keep this up. And, yes, I can keep up. You had an awful lot of say here, after all: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=547590&pagenumber=1
It's official since it was taking place in 616 reality.Demiurge isn't even mentioned. Same with Set. He predates this universe and it's abstracts, this is in direct contradiction to the "Demiurge" creation story. So it's been retconned.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I never thought I'd get another chance to have a poster play out an argument against themselves within a single thread... but then again, your predisposition is to continue ranting without any regard to how dumb it makes you look. So let's do it:You keep this up. And, yes, I can keep up. You had an awful lot of say here, after all: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=547590&pagenumber=1
What part of "I was mistaken" about the demon in question in the Secret Avengers arc don't you understand.
Even the Marvel Appendix site says it wasn't him. That's why I didn't include those showings concerning him in my Set respect thread.
Originally posted by zopzop
What part of "I was mistaken" about the demon in question in the Secret Avengers arc don't you understand.
Originally posted by zopzopThose two options seem mutually exclusive of each other. Old zopzop seems to have a point, no matter which way you wriggle on this... 😂
If "Abyss" isn't Set but some other evil who is the Father of Set, the Darkest Child, and their siblings then there HAS been a retconn since it was stated that the Demiurge created Set and the other Elder Gods.If "Abyss" is just another name for Set, then he's the one mentioned as the Father of the Darkest Child and it's siblings and he predates this reality and this again retconns the Demiurge creation story of the Elder Gods.
There's been a retcon.
Originally posted by zopzopThat site is editable. And guess what? Even if you can manage to escape your arguments with Set (newsflash you're not successful even by admitting you were wrong because you covered the bases 😂 )... it doesn't change your arguments that Demiurge was retconned:
Even the Marvel Appendix site says it wasn't him. That's why I didn't include those showings concerning him in my Set respect thread.
Originally posted by zopzop
This has been retconned you know.Gaea is not created by the Demiurge anymore according to Chaos War.
Originally posted by zopzophttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=547590&pagenumber=1
It's official since it was taking place in 616 reality.Demiurge isn't even mentioned. Same with Set. He predates this universe and it's abstracts, this is in direct contradiction to the "Demiurge" creation story. So it's been retconned.
Old zopzop seems pretty spot on... you having trouble arguing with him? Quick... some other poster help him out... I know! Let's PM zopzop to get in here and make a 3-way debate! 😆
