Duel of the Gaming Characters: TFU II Starkiller vs Darth Malgus

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No he isn't. TFU II Starkiller never beat Vader legitimately. And this Vader got trashed by Maul and had an impasse with Obi-Wan. Malgus would not get trashed by Maul.

LeGenD, log out of Intrepid's account please. Don't conflate errant ABC logic and speculation to side-by-side comparisons.

What Marek does in The Force Unleashed II vastly outstrips anything Malgus has to his name. Period.

Again, if you wish to say that such feats aren't relevant in combat or aren't enough to guarantee him a win, that's your prerogative. But a feat comparison between the two leaves Malgus slinking off in shame.

No, a feat comparison between the two has Starkiller stalemating combatants benath Malgus' level. His Force feats are rather irrelevant when they have helped him jack shit against other combatants.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
His Force feats are rather irrelevant when they have helped him jack shit against other combatants.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Again, if you wish to say that such feats aren't relevant in combat [...] that's your prerogative

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Originally posted by The_Tempest
LeGenD, log out of Intrepid's account please.

Personally I take the games versions of events as higher canon than the books, since its the original source. So I don't really count that frigate disintegration feat.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No he isn't. TFU II Starkiller never beat Vader legitimately. And this Vader got trashed by Maul and had an impasse with Obi-Wan. Malgus would not get trashed by Maul.

Vader's a TK Beast, but his Cyborg half really limits his Saber prowess.

With Starkiller, he's also a TK beast, but again has never really proven himself to be a top dog as far as Saber prowess goes.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Originally posted by Intrepid37
His feats relevance to combat are logically taken into account when comparing feats.

And you can claim and opine that he's incapable of mustering such power in combat; others can counter that his opponents might be capable of dealing with such power.

I'm not getting in the middle of all that. All I'm saying is that Starkiller's feats vastly outweigh Malgus's.

Didn't get the first part.

🙄 There was really no need to.

Intrepid, repeat after me:

"The feats in TFU are exaggerated and shouldn't be taken seriously. They do not represent the characters real capabilities."

Originally posted by Nephthys
Intrepid, repeat after me:

"The feats in TFU are exaggerated and shouldn't be taken seriously. They do not represent the characters real capabilities."

Ok. Now say:

"I am a dumb, smelly butt."

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i said it irl

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i lied

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Intrepid, which side are you on?

Since when is Malgus better than Vader?

Eh, long time.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, a feat comparison between the two has Starkiller stalemating combatants benath Malgus' level.

Or the other way of looking at it is that Vader stalemated a guy whose Force feats trump Malgus's.

Not surprising considering the beastly Force feats Vader himself has displayed throughout the EU, and even a few in the movies.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
No offense but I have to disagree with you there. I believe this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Chfg1SGGQ

Explains it far better than I can.

Jensaarai not be too accurate in most of the victors he chooses. I doubt he's anything close to the top seasoned experts here at KMC pertaining to Star Wars fights. He lacks the knowledge some member here have collected from the EU and the experience they have in debating about it.

Jensaarai also said Malgus could get Dooku. No, Yoda put up such a fight against Sidious, not much more than he did against Dooku in AoTC. Sidious was in fact a little more of a problem for Yoda than as an amped Dooku on Vjun - but I still but both Yoda and Dooku as more than 80% of Sidious in Force power as of RoTS, that is a greater strength in the Force than Vader ever cared to realize (twice Sidious).

Look at it this way, there's no way on earth RoTJ Luke could go toe to toe with Dooku the way ROTS Ani did - yet he does go toe to toe with Vader, and Ani goes toe to toe with Dooku. Granted, Anakin was superior to TFU II Vader when in that state of mind, and Vader was in a crappy state of mind whenever he fought Luke both in ESB and in RoTJ and could have killed him at either point if he'd taken extra precautions like he did against Starkiller II.

I'd easily put AoTC Dooku above Vader at any point, even after he fully mastered his style in TFU II.

I would also but AoTC Dooku above Malgus, despite Jensaarai's thesis.

I'm not so sure about that. I think Jensaarai1 is right when he says Malgus's battle prowess owes more to his ability to amp himself with the Force than actual skill as a duelist.

Yes, Malgus achieved Oneness with the dark - in a more focused and clear head-space of unbridled hatred and wanton destruction than any other Sith I've seen except Sidious himself. Even in that zone I'm not sure he could defeat Starkiller II in his best, but he probably could in my opinion.

I'm still rooting for Malgus here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Intrepid, repeat after me:

"The feats in TFU are exaggerated and shouldn't be taken seriously. They do not represent the characters real capabilities."

I believe you when you say Barsen'Thor is a greater master of the Force than the Grand Master of The Jedi Order Satele Shan who was tried and tested in the cinematics and in the novels - that's because you take the game - the entire MMO is exaggerated but yet you take it as demonstrations of real capabilities.

So if you can do that for one game, and no other game or cartoon or anything, than that's not fair is it?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No he isn't. TFU II Starkiller never beat Vader legitimately. And this Vader got trashed by Maul and had an impasse with Obi-Wan. Malgus would not get trashed by Maul.

Vader beat Maul - he can't improve in power level because he has put up a mental-block - but he can compensate for his lack of mobility with Force powers; his hatred helped him survive his immolation on Mustafar and hit allowed him to impale Maul through himself without dying - Vader's TK powers far outstrip most anyone he fights, and the only reason he was able to stalemate Starkiller II was because he trained him in such a way that he could exploit weaknesses, like Sidious and Maul for instance. Vader also took special care to fall into an unbreakable defense in that fight. As for skill and combat prowess, TFU II Vader>>Resurrection Vader and Vader in either confrontation with Luke during the OT.