Duel of the Gaming Characters: TFU II Starkiller vs Darth Malgus

Started by Nephthys4 pages

I don't see it as exaggerated at all. Especially compared to TCW, TFU or some of the novels. Theres none of the ridiculous speed that the books like to highlight, little eyerolling hyperbole (coughRotSnovelcough) and none of the absurd over the top action from TCW and TFU. Force use is usually low key, throwing characters around hard enough to kill them, killing them with lightning etc. Compared to the crazy disintegration effects from the book, thats freaking tame as hell. Yeah, there are some great feats, but its still just the very best Force users of the era performing feats on par with other instances from the very best Force users in the mythos.

The characters who are crazy powerful are MEANT to be crazy powerful. Vitiate is even more powerful than Nihilus. Soa fought the entire Infinite Empire. The World Razer's entire concept is that it eats planets. Lo'tekk is a cthulu-god from another dimension. The Dread Masters are like a thousand years old Sith Lords insane on their own power. The Hero of Tython is supposed to be some ultimate prophecised Champion of Light. The Barsen'thor is like the perfect Jedi. Nox eats 5 ghosts. They aren't exaggerated, they're supposed to be that level.

With TCW and TFU, the characters are obviously operating on a higher degree of power from the norm. The CW characters do not fight like they do in that material in the other works that feature them. Starkiller pulls off insane feats, but still has trouble with Shaak Ti, a random Shadow Guard and the same Vader who lost to a Maul clone. They actually ARE exaggerations of power levels.

With TOR, there is no exaggeration. They are supposed to be that powerful. Just like Sidious is supposed to be so powerful those 3 Jedi Masters couldn't even compete. Like Luke is supposed to be what Anakins true potential would have been. They aren't powerful because they're exaggerated. They're powerful BECAUSE THEY ARE POWERFUL.

Originally posted by Oneness
So if you can do that for one game, and no other game or cartoon or anything, than that's not fair is it?

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It's a double standard pure and simple.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They're powerful BECAUSE THEY ARE POWERFUL.
This is all you had to say, minus caps.

I disagree, they have these powers because back in the early 90s a novel came out called Jedi Academy: Dark Force Rising featuring an uber ghost.

Look it up.

I did all caps because I couldn't be bothered to do this.

Now lets make up out over dinner.

I need a dated, timestamped selfy within 1 minute so as to not be photoshopped.

The aesthetics will give you a yes or no - if I'd hypothetically do you, not if I'm actually going to do anything.

Sure thing.

grrrrrr

Too much masculinity and body mass. Would not bang.

That guy's not you, I asked for a timestamp with the date - and it had to be a selfy.

You're probably a chubster.

That is me. You can check my post history, I've posted pictures of myself numerous times and its always that guy I mean me.

Lol @ me being a chubster though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
that guy I mean me.

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Don't slip up now.

It's very hard not to, since I get slippery when wet.

It almost seems like you're attracted to me or something. 😕

I actually think Starkiller II was approaching in terms of power level than Malgus...

He seemed to be right up there with Vader in terms of TK when using Force rage, maybe even stronger - closer to Yoda himself.

This was Galen Marek's full potential realized, which was said to rival Sidious.

Let us do some holistic analysis of Malgus's power progression:-

When Malgus was a Sith apprentice:-

- Achieved fame in the Sith Empire for his impressive talents and potential.
- Was regarded as the "greatest embodiment of the dark side" by Satele Shan. According to her, she had participated in hundreds of sparring sessions but nothing was enough in the Jedi Order's training sessions to prepare her for Malgus's ferocity.
- Tanked and tore right through a Starship engine hurled towards him like a missile.
- Cut down Jedi Master Kao Cen Darach in a duel after tapping into his powerful anger (in the zone moment).*

*Kao Cen Darach:

Darach was a remarkably skilled duelist, Jedi Order's battlemaster (master of all combat forms), and able to duel his opponents with both a Saberstaff and a normal lightsaber wielding with great precision and speed. While simultaneously dueling Malgus and his Sith Master, he cut down the latter with ease.

Canonically, it is difficult to become proficient in Jedi dueling arts with use of a Saberstaff but Darach reached a whole new level with his skills.

Depiction: http://www.swtor.com/info/media/wallpapers/return-4

Kao Cen Darach was powerful in the ways of the Force; he was able to send Malgus's Sith Master (a Sith Inquisitor) packing across the open arena with a single blast of power. In addition, he was able to hurl large and heavy objects (e.g. starship engine) like missiles towards his targets with high accuracy. Furthermore, he was also proficient at deflecting powerful bursts of Sith lightning.

It shall be kept in mind that Sith Inquisitor (Masters) are canonically formidable in the ways of the Force and it is not easy to overcome one in single combat.

Conclusion: At this point, Malgus have already demonstrated the capability to overwhelm opponents of Dooku's caliber.

When Malgus was a Sith Lord:-

- Defeated/disarmed several remarkably skilled and powerful opponents in single combat. Once defeated two Jedi in duel even in heavily wounded condition (one Jedi was a powerhouse).*
- Prevented the portion of debris from two buildings which collapsed around him from crushing him beneath with his raw power in the Force, throwing apart the debris in various directions.
- Tanked direct missiles hits.
- Endured "cliff shattering" Force powers.
- Hurled heavy objects (including a large boudler) like missiles towards his targets with high accuracy.
- Once collapsed a gigantic structure and nearly vaporized some beings in a fit of his powerful rage, unleashing incredibly potent raw energy at that moment.
- Cut a swath through Jedi formations in battlefields, killing many Jedi in the process.
- Inflicted heavy structural damage to the Jedi Temple with his raw power in the Force.
- Once unleashed a wave of energy with enough pressure to move a large aircraft from its position, killing large number of opponents with it simultaneously.
- Achieved oneness with the dark side.

*Satele Shan:

Satele shan was an absolute master of the Force, possessed prodigious Force powers and a formidable duelist by all accounts. She could destroy objects weighing hundreds of tons with her raw power in the Force, possessed advanced shatterpoint abilities and was extraordinarily proficient in the defensive ways of the Force (she could prevent even lightsabers from impaling her with bare hands). She also possessed great knowledge of esoteric talents such as; she once killed 3 Sith adepts simultaneously with a mysterious power; could even survive in space by forming a protection bubble around her; and once blew apart a group of extremely dangerous hex droids from inside out with gesture. Shan was a stuff of legends by all accounts.

This is the impression satele left on another remarkably talented Force-user:

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance:

The Grand Master had impressed with more than her telekinetic and telepathic skills. Her speed and decisiveness in combat were unbelievable—but she never once made a sound. Her face was calm, almost serene, as she slashed and hacked through the hexes. There was a tranquillity about her, almost a blissfulness, that spoke of an intimacy with violence Ax had not expected.

To the Sith, violence was an art form. To Master Satele, it seemed like life itself.

That didn't marry at all well with what Ax knew about the Jedi. Weren't they emotionless, self-righteous hypocrites who fought only when it suited their interests? Didn't they disdain passion and preach powerlessness to all who would listen and obey?

For the first time, Ax saw that there could be strength in serenity, and steel beneath stillness.

*Mysterious powerhouse:

After from severely injured in a set-back he suffered on Aldeeran from one of his confrontations; while he had disarmed Satele Shan in a duel, a legendary Republic trooper interfered at the crucial moment, costing him the duel. However, even after enduring a "cliff-shattering" power, Malgus quickly recovered from near-death situation with his power in the Force and he was not done with the Jedi yet.

Malgus found another Jedi on his way and landed near his position. This Jedi was not an ordinary one either; in a remarkable display of power, he collapsed two buildings around the position of Malgus in an effort to crush him beneath the rubble. However, Malgus held his own by preventing a portion of heavy debris aloft with his power in the Force and then channeled that power even more effectively, throwing apart the debris in different directions away from him. Malgus then leapt from the mountain of rubble to confront this Jedi and eventually defeated him with his extraordinary dark powers. In the same confrontation, Malgus killed another ally of the mysterious powerhouse, who attempted to ambush him, by choking him to death.

In this confrontation, Malgus also demonstrated the capability to detect Force-users who could mask their presence with the Force. The ally of the mysterious Jedi had actually masked his presence in the Force to prevent the Sith Lord from detecting him but this talent did not work in his favor either.

NOTE: This mysterious powerhouse demonstrated Darth Vader level Force abilities and he still failed to overcome Malgus.

*Ven Zallow:

Zallow was a powerful Jedi, regarded as the most formidable Jedi stationed on Coruscant amidst some other powerhouses such as Bengel Morr, Usma, Orgus Din and Kellian Jaro at the time of Sacking of Coruscant.

Zallow honed his talents in the Force to make himself an extremely capable duelist; he was able to create a blur of precision and speed with his dueling prowess; could perceive incoming blaster-fire with great clarity and deflect it back to it source without even paying attention to the source; cut down some battle-hardened elite Sith warriors as fodder in the heat of combat; even blitzed two battle-hardened elite Sith warriors at one point in the heat of the battle. Furthermore, Zallow outgunned Lord Adraas with relative ease when the Sith Lord landed near him to attempt to eliminate him.

Malgus regarded only Zallow as a worthy opponent for him inside the Jedi Temple among hundreds of other Jedi.

*Aryn Leener:

Aryn was an extraordinarily talented and powerful Force-user by all accounts. She acquired a position in the Jedi High Council as a Jedi Knight due to her remarkable talents (a rare occurrence in galactic history). She was also a remarkably skilled duelist.

Leener could physically move and react so fast in a burst of speed that even a millisecond would pass around like a minute to her during which she could perform multiple actions simultaneously. To normal eyes, she would appear to be a blur of motion, existing simultaneously in multiple places.

While dueling opponents, Leener would augment her physical attributes to extreme levels making it virtually impossible for her even exceptional duelists to strike her down with their martial skills.

Leener was prodigiously talented in the use of the Force, able to perceive her surroundings with great clarity and detail, augment her senses to perceive her surroundings on planetary scale, unleash overwhelming waves of energy with which she could collapse structures and overwhelm multiple Force-users simultaneously. Leener could also hurl large objects like missiles towards her targets; in one confrontation, Leener lifted 6 large objects (possibly vehicles) simultaneously and hurled them like missiles towards her targets. She was also proficient in the defensive aspects of the Force; in one confrontation, she deflected a powerful wave of energy with a gesture in such a way that she split it in two with one-half ending up topping some large seconds and other-half ending up overwhelming another Force-user. She could also disarm other Force-users with her telekinetic abilities with ease. At one point, she telekinetically took control of a Saber Throw attack aimed for her from Malgus, robbing him of its control in the process.

In addition, Leener survived a dive from the space onto the rooftop of one of the skyscrappers in Coruscant (from 50 km height) without the use of any parachute, using the Force in remarkable ways to slow down her descent from terminal velocity speeds and protecting herself and her companion in the process, preventing her and her companion's death upon landing on the building. On another occasion, Leener used her power to slow down the descent and cushion the landing of a dropship in which she was present.

*Lord Adraas

A powerful Sith Lord, an elite warrior and a long-term rival of Malgus. He was proficient in telekinetic aspects of the Force, shattered a portion of the floor of the Jedi Temple with a jump, killing many Republic troops in the process. He was also able to use his telekinetic abilities to collapse structures, Choke, Grip and hurl objects like missiles towards his targets. He was proficient in the use of advanced Sith applications such as lightning, unleashed a powerful blast which caused pain to even Malgus (lighting was potent enough to burn lesser individuals to ash). However, regardless of advanced talents, Adraas proved to be no match for Malgus when the latter achieved oneness with the darkside prior to confronting him; Malgus killed Adraas with bare hands.

Conclusion: Malgus, at this point, was among the most powerful Sith in the galactic history. He possessed remarkable combat record and his battlefield feats are assumed to have never been duplicated by Sidious himself.

When Malgus competed for the throne of Sith Emperor:-

- Mastered the dark side of the Force and possibly developed new powers such as Maelstrom, able to multi-task with his Force abilities simultaneously during combat situations.
- Sidious learned to hone his dark side abilities to incredible levels from Malgus's teachings.
- It took a Strike Team of some of the most powerful Force-users in galactic history to prevent Malgus's ascension at his prime.

Conclusion: Malgus, at the height of his power, is among the TOP-TIER Force-users of the mythos, capable of innovating with his mastery of the Force.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]When Malgus was a Sith apprentice:-

- Achieved fame in the Sith Empire for his impressive talents and potential.[/B]

It wasn't just fame, he was considered one of the greatest warriors in the Empire even before the war,

^^^

Ok. This is even more epic.